Is it pointless discussing race with white people?

  • Inque

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    Jan 10, 2015 7:28 PM GMT
    This is an honest question.

    It seems like whenever race is brought up the reaction from a disproportionate amount of whites is a combination of denial and subliminal comments that show they really don't understand how racism operates in today's nuanced society. All are not like this but too often it becomes a game of deflection and dejection in the end nothing is solved.

    So is it even worth talking to the white community about racism and race related matters anymore?
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    Jan 10, 2015 7:32 PM GMT
    Depends on who you talk to. Personally I don't mind talking about race.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 10, 2015 7:43 PM GMT

    Just don't get MinneapolisMotorMouth (HottJoe) started because he will pull out the race card and scream "white supremacy" and all his other leftist hogwash.
  • Inque

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    Jan 10, 2015 7:47 PM GMT
    David3K saidDepends on who you talk to. Personally I don't mind talking about race.


    Well technically you're Latino so your ideas about race are going to be different than what people traditionally consider 'white'. And in America white means those who typically do not identify as belonging to South American or Middle Eastern groups. It's a very stringent definition. Anyone can be black but white is an exclusive club in this country and has been for some time.
  • Kovyn

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    Jan 10, 2015 8:35 PM GMT
    Do you even realize how racist your post is?

    The reason why white people roll their eyes at this topic is because it's so blindly focused on criminalizing whites. Automatically we're racist; we don't understand; we're in denial. You've already categorized us as that and there's nothing we can do about it, because we're white; and because of that, you sir, are a racist, and not us.

    /thread
  • whytehot

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    Jan 10, 2015 8:41 PM GMT
    It's not exactly in my interest to acknowledge that I have an advantage. But I will make an outward gesture to denounce the racism "out there", even if I don't actually want to change the status quo... icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 10, 2015 9:13 PM GMT
    Is it pointless discussing race with white people?

    Yes. I think I'm about as race-friendly as any guy here. But I get slapped down, and told only racial minorities can discuss race.

    And so as a White male, the topic is apparently off-limits to me. So I've just given up trying. Let the racial minorities hash it out.

    (Ironically, soon White males will be in the racial minority in the US. I still won't be waiting for a discussion invite in the mail)
  • Hjalmar

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    Jan 11, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
    Yes. I even dislike Stormfront because of that, even though I'm still a member there (I just haven´t been there for a year). I was accepted even if I´m gay, but I was told not to mention homosexuality in the forum by one of the administrations. And that was a woman!!!!!!! So, for me, no more mister nice guy among racial issues. I´m damn proud white gay man god dammit.
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    Jan 11, 2015 1:17 PM GMT
    It still is worth it. Even with all the loudmouths, there may be a budding ally in the room.
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    Jan 11, 2015 2:55 PM GMT
    Kovyn saidDo you even realize how racist your post is?

    The reason why white people roll their eyes at this topic is because it's so blindly focused on criminalizing whites. Automatically we're racist; we don't understand; we're in denial. You've already categorized us as that and there's nothing we can do about it, because we're white; and because of that, you sir, are a racist, and not us.

    /thread


    +/my exact response!
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    Jan 11, 2015 3:06 PM GMT
    When people say really stupid things like white privilege, i mention things like white slave trade, the holocausts, and bias in America, other races. So i think alot of people from t he left side are truely in denial. Never mind college or job applications.
  • Inque

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    Jan 11, 2015 3:53 PM GMT
    Kovyn saidDo you even realize how racist your post is?

    The reason why white people roll their eyes at this topic is because it's so blindly focused on criminalizing whites. Automatically we're racist; we don't understand; we're in denial. You've already categorized us as that and there's nothing we can do about it, because we're white; and because of that, you sir, are a racist, and not us.

    /thread


    Its a valid question. Andyou just proved it. Every other racial group and ethnic group i in this country is willing to and uis having oor has had a realistic conversation about race, racial inequality and prejudice. However the t reaction from white America by in large has either been denial or indifference with a coating of defensiveness
  • Inque

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    Jan 11, 2015 3:55 PM GMT
    Kovyn saidDo you even realize how racist your post is?

    The reason why white people roll their eyes at this topic is because it's so blindly focused on criminalizing whites. Automatically we're racist; we don't understand; we're in denial. You've already categorized us as that and there's nothing we can do about it, because we're white; and because of that, you sir, are a racist, and not us.

    /thread


    Also replace white with black and racist for thug or criminal and you have exactly how every black man has felt at some point in his life. But you're probably too blind to even see it
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 11, 2015 4:02 PM GMT
    Kovyn saidDo you even realize how racist your post is?

    The reason why white people roll their eyes at this topic is because it's so blindly focused on criminalizing whites. Automatically we're racist; we don't understand; we're in denial. You've already categorized us as that and there's nothing we can do about it, because we're white; and because of that, you sir, are a racist, and not us.

    /thread

    What's a non white who is treated like an underclass supposed to think of white people.? Should they accept discrimination? You want a high five?

    You say you don't want to be criminalized, but you aren't being criminalized. Don't you even know what that word means?icon_confused.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 11, 2015 4:05 PM GMT
    whytehot saidIt's not exactly in my interest to acknowledge that I have an advantage. But I will make an outward gesture to denounce the racism "out there", even if I don't actually want to change the status quo... icon_lol.gif

    This how a liberal racist thinks.

    A conservative racist simply demeans other races unapologetically.

    Someone who's not racist lets go of being white, since white is a meaningless social construct.
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    Jan 11, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
    Most of the time I ever see anybody pull the race card or bring up the race issue it is because they feel they are entitled to whatever they want and pull the race card to get it. I actually feel that the U.S. is slowly making its way towards reverse racism. I'm personally not going to apologize and bend over backwards for things that I didn't do and my relatives were not involved in. A lot of black people like to bring up slavery still yet they always leave out the fact that they were also responsible for enslaving each other. So does that mean they should also be self hating? I personally have no problem with people of any race or color and believe people should be treated equal.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 11, 2015 5:12 PM GMT
    bk11789 saidMost of the time I ever see anybody pull the race card or bring up the race issue it is because they feel they are entitled to whatever they want and pull the race card to get it. I actually feel that the U.S. is slowly making its way towards reverse racism. I'm personally not going to apologize and bend over backwards for things that I didn't do and my relatives were not involved in. A lot of black people like to bring up slavery still yet they always leave out the fact that they were also responsible for enslaving each other. So does that mean they should also be self hating? I personally have no problem with people of any race or color and believe people should be treated equal.

    So, you're saying white people shouldn't change; black people should change. You're racist and you don't even know it.icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 11, 2015 5:19 PM GMT
    No I think ignorant people on both sides of the coin should change and that people should just be themselves. I'm not racist my godmother is black and so is one of my best friends and they never pull the race card.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 11, 2015 5:29 PM GMT
    bk11789 saidNo I think ignorant people on both sides of the coin should change and that people should just be themselves. I'm not racist my godmother is black and so is one of my best friends and they never pull the race card.

    But you pulled the race card. You accused black people of reverse racism. Apparently, you meant the black people you don't know, since your black family members can't be counted.

    That's hypocrisy right there!
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    Jan 11, 2015 5:39 PM GMT
    Being falsely accused of racism because of being white is just as hurtful as being subjected to racism.
    I am thankful for having served in the military where for the most part you see people for who they are and not what they look like.
    And I agree with what was said earlier being a white man I am subjected to being told I don't know pregiduce and should keep my mouth shut.
    Really? So I and everyone else hasn't been marginalized for being their skin color and being gay?
    This issue of black v white is mostly an American culture problem.
    Read the autobiography of Malcolm X. His experiences overseas during his trip to Mecca drasticcly changed his world view on this subject.
    And if he could see the folly of lumping a whole race into one basket( which most of his political career was centered around) then we all can.
    I know that's a simplistic analogy but my post is long enough.
    Happy debating everyone
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 11, 2015 5:48 PM GMT
    RespectablyBuffed saidBeing falsely accused of racism because of being white is just as hurtful as being subjected to racism.
    I am thankful for having served in the military where for the most part you see people for who they are and not what they look like.
    And I agree with what was said earlier being a white man I am subjected to being told I don't know pregiduce and should keep my mouth shut.
    Really? So I and everyone else hasn't been marginalized for being their skin color and being gay?
    This issue of black v white is mostly an American culture problem.
    Read the autobiography of Malcolm X. His experiences overseas during his trip to Mecca drasticcly changed his world view on this subject.
    And if he could see the folly of lumping a whole race into one basket( which most of his political career was centered around) then we all can.
    I know that's a simplistic analogy but my post is long enough.
    Happy debating everyone

    If you believed this, then you would not label yourself white in your profile. You're not factually white. Albinos are white. "White" is a racist term. It's meaningless in a post racial mindset. If you call yourself white then you are needlessly othering yourself from anyone you consider non white, which varies depending on region, as you noted in your reference to Malcom X.
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    Jan 11, 2015 6:11 PM GMT
    No, but it is pointless disscussin it with you. You cry victim and discrimination all the while praising white men as the most"beautiful" and also backstabbing lighter skin blacks ... your antics and reputation precedes you. Just stop.
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    Jan 11, 2015 6:13 PM GMT
    OP an earlier poster is correct in pointing out that it is wrong to put all white people in one category. As soon as you do that you are not only leaving facts behind, you convince everyone to stop listening. It would be more correct to say that many whites are in denial about racism.

    I do not care much about what people think. I am more likely to believe statistics provided by academic researchers. The conclusions over the years showing rampant racism against blacks in particular are striking. I was in a conversation with some republican relatives recently in which I pointed to one convincing study after another to prove the point that racism against blacks is alive and well. My relatives don't care about facts and research regarding race any more than they believe fossil fuels cause global warming.

    That said, many of us are quite aware of rampant racism, contribute to civil rights organizations, have marched in civil rights demonstrations, and support elected officials who support a civil rights agenda.
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    Jan 11, 2015 6:30 PM GMT
    Kovyn saidDo you even realize how racist your post is?

    The reason why white people roll their eyes at this topic is because it's so blindly focused on criminalizing whites. Automatically we're racist; we don't understand; we're in denial. You've already categorized us as that and there's nothing we can do about it, because we're white; and because of that, you sir, are a racist, and not us.

    /thread


    My feelings exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself. If you have a differing opinion you are labeled a racist. End of conversation. Nothing you say or any opinion you offer is of any value because you have been demonized as a racist. Personally I'm tired of the whole race discussion and as my 2015 resolution will refrain from commenting on race threads. It's one of my white privileges. icon_lol.gif
  • Inque

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    Jan 11, 2015 7:06 PM GMT
    bk11789 saidMost of the time I ever see anybody pull the race card or bring up the race issue it is because they feel they are entitled to whatever they want and pull the race card to get it. I actually feel that the U.S. is slowly making its way towards reverse racism. I'm personally not going to apologize and bend over backwards for things that I didn't do and my relatives were not involved in. A lot of black people like to bring up slavery still yet they always leave out the fact that they were also responsible for enslaving each other. So does that mean they should also be self hating? I personally have no problem with people of any race or color and believe people should be treated equal.


    Why do so many white people like to act like slavery is the only thing that has ever been done to black people? And we aren't just talking about blacks here. Latinos Asians and people of middle eastern descent also suffer because of racism.

    A lot of people like to think because they aren't burning a cross in someones yard or calling immigration services on someone they aren't racist or hold racist ideals. Racism and prejudice are not just actions they are state of thinking and state of being.

    If I as a black man say or do something you perceive as racist that holds a lot less power than if you were to do it to me.