2 years later, Do you believe George Zimmerman was innocent or guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin?

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    Jan 11, 2015 2:53 AM GMT
    Now that you may know more about George Zimmerman, do you believe he was innocent or guilty?
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    Jan 11, 2015 3:06 AM GMT
    I wonder if anyone who thought Zimmerman was innocent 2 years ago now thinks he was guilty. Has anyone here changed your mind?
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    Jan 11, 2015 3:54 AM GMT
    Guilty then, still a psychopath now. It'll take killing a White person to finally put him away.
  • mybud

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    Jan 11, 2015 3:56 AM GMT
    Guilty.
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    Jan 11, 2015 1:21 PM GMT
    The old forums here show a lot of support for Zimmerman. Has anyone here who once believed that Zimmerman was innocent still believe?
  • jeepguySD

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    Jan 11, 2015 2:44 PM GMT
    Guilty. I thought so then, and his behavior since then has reinforced my opinion.
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    Jan 11, 2015 3:24 PM GMT
    my take was that, he reacted to protect himself. But i dont think he wasn't an instigator either. But looking at him now, he is a menace and need to be locked away somewhere.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 11, 2015 3:39 PM GMT
    No, the same folks that presumed guilt of unarmed Trayvon Martin are the ones that the say all the recent spate of killings of unarmed black men are justified. They're the NRA worshipping republicans, mainly.

    I think a lot of white people in the US feel they're held responsible for the actions of their country and censored. Many of them feel powerless. They want to use the n word, but they're scared, so they call kids thugs. They're racist.

    The US has a problem with racism and immigration as a civil rights issue, and a problem with religion as an international holy war issue.

    I think race and religion are both social constructs, and they're cultural biases. Humans killing humans are a manmade phenomenon. No God justifies any of it.
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    Jan 11, 2015 4:16 PM GMT
    I doubt that the opinions about the validity of the shooting have changed.

    I think that a lot of people who supported him now think that he's a loose cannon and wish he'd just go the hell away.
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    Jan 11, 2015 4:19 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn saidI doubt that the opinions about the validity of the shooting have changed.

    I think that a lot of people who supported him now think that he's a loose cannon and wish he'd just go the hell away.

    You supported him. Will you go away?
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    Jan 11, 2015 4:47 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    rkyjockdn saidI doubt that the opinions about the validity of the shooting have changed.

    I think that a lot of people who supported him now think that he's a loose cannon and wish he'd just go the hell away.

    You supported him. Will you go away?


    Probably around the same time you get your concealed carry permit.
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    Jan 11, 2015 4:48 PM GMT
    Those girls provoked him. He was defending himself. icon_neutral.gif
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    Jan 11, 2015 4:54 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn said
    HottJoe said
    rkyjockdn saidI doubt that the opinions about the validity of the shooting have changed.

    I think that a lot of people who supported him now think that he's a loose cannon and wish he'd just go the hell away.

    You supported him. Will you go away?


    Probably around the same time you get your concealed carry permit.

    I'm not afraid like you are. I don't arm myslef out of fear, and I don't listen to murderers who say they had no choice but to kill innocent people.
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    Jan 11, 2015 5:18 PM GMT
    I withheld judgment on this case until the jury rendered its verdict, and I see no reason to substitute my judgment for theirs by disagreeing w/ it now. Whatever their merit, Z's later actions are legally irrelevant to the TM matter.
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    Jan 11, 2015 5:32 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidI withheld judgment on this case until the jury rendered its verdict, and I see no reason to substitute my judgment for theirs by disagreeing w/ it now. Whatever their merit, Z's later actions are legally irrelevant to the TM matter.

    What a liar you are. You have been one of the biggest racists on RJ. I think your favorite word is thug.
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    Jan 11, 2015 5:40 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    MGINSD saidI withheld judgment on this case until the jury rendered its verdict, and I see no reason to substitute my judgment for theirs by disagreeing w/ it now. Whatever their merit, Z's later actions are legally irrelevant to the TM matter.

    What a liar you are. You have been one of the biggest racists on RJ. I think your favorite word is thug.


    Sure didn't last long, did it?
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    Jan 11, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    rkyjockdn said
    HottJoe said
    rkyjockdn saidI doubt that the opinions about the validity of the shooting have changed.

    I think that a lot of people who supported him now think that he's a loose cannon and wish he'd just go the hell away.

    You supported him. Will you go away?


    Probably around the same time you get your concealed carry permit.

    I'm not afraid like you are. I don't arm myslef out of fear, and I don't listen to murderers who say they had no choice but to kill innocent people.


    Isn't that nice.
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    Jan 11, 2015 6:16 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidI withheld judgment on this case until the jury rendered its verdict, and I see no reason to substitute my judgment for theirs by disagreeing w/ it now. Whatever their merit, Z's later actions are legally irrelevant to the TM matter.

    His actions before and after the Martin killing are the pattern of a dangerous person who's out of control. It rose to murder in the Martin case, when he should have been stopped.

    Zimmerman wasn't stopped, and now another tragedy is waiting to happen. Whether murder or something else serious. This is why you incarcerate and/or treat people like this.

    Making him the poster child for gun rights. stand-your-ground laws, and other Right Wing racist political goals is going to result in grief again for more innocent people. I wonder for how long the Right is going to keep coming to his defense? Probably indefinitely, since having adopted & championed him, they're now stuck with him.
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    Jan 11, 2015 6:24 PM GMT
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    MGINSD saidI withheld judgment on this case until the jury rendered its verdict, and I see no reason to substitute my judgment for theirs by disagreeing w/ it now. Whatever their merit, Z's later actions are legally irrelevant to the TM matter.

    His actions before and after the Martin killing are the pattern of a dangerous person who's out of control. It rose to murder in the Martin case, when he should have been stopped.

    Zimmerman wasn't stopped, and now another tragedy is waiting to happen. Whether murder or something else serious. This is why you incarcerate and/or treat people like this.

    Making him the poster child for gun rights. stand-your-ground laws, and other Right Wing racist political goals is going to result in grief again for more innocent people. I wonder for how long the Right is going to keep coming to his defense? Probably indefinitely, since having adopted & championed him, they're now stuck with him.


    As opposed to left wing racist political goals ? Who glorifies the thug culture, who does all they can to make sure blacks get abortions ? They are both thugs , travon had a record as well. The purpose is just race baiting.
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    Jan 11, 2015 7:34 PM GMT
    I wasn't there so I can't say. He did kill Trayvon but the only people who could know the truth of the circumstances are the people who were there. Unfortunately, that only leaves one person. We'll probably never know what really happened.
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    Jan 11, 2015 7:44 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    MGINSD saidI withheld judgment on this case until the jury rendered its verdict, and I see no reason to substitute my judgment for theirs by disagreeing w/ it now. Whatever their merit, Z's later actions are legally irrelevant to the TM matter.

    His actions before and after the Martin killing are the pattern of a dangerous person who's out of control. It rose to murder in the Martin case, when he should have been stopped.

    Zimmerman wasn't stopped, and now another tragedy is waiting to happen. Whether murder or something else serious. This is why you incarcerate and/or treat people like this.

    Making him the poster child for gun rights. stand-your-ground laws, and other Right Wing racist political goals is going to result in grief again for more innocent people. I wonder for how long the Right is going to keep coming to his defense? Probably indefinitely, since having adopted & championed him, they're now stuck with him.


    As opposed to left wing racist political goals ? Who glorifies the thug culture, who does all they can to make sure blacks get abortions ? They are both thugs , travon had a record as well. The purpose is just race baiting.


    +1
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    Jan 11, 2015 7:57 PM GMT
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    HottJoe said
    MGINSD saidI withheld judgment on this case until the jury rendered its verdict, and I see no reason to substitute my judgment for theirs by disagreeing w/ it now. Whatever their merit, Z's later actions are legally irrelevant to the TM matter.

    What a liar you are. You have been one of the biggest racists on RJ. I think your favorite word is thug.


    Sure didn't last long, did it?


    LOL, I guess not. And all that from simply withholding judgment and then abiding by the verdict. Who knew?
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    Jan 11, 2015 8:21 PM GMT
    Animus saidI wasn't there so I can't say. He did kill Trayvon but the only people who could know the truth of the circumstances are the people who were there. Unfortunately, that only leaves one person. We'll probably never know what really happened.

    Well at the time it happened it seemed like everyone had been there. The Zimmerman supporters were very certain that Trayvon Martin was the instigator. And it looks like they haven't changed their tune.
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    Jan 11, 2015 8:38 PM GMT
    HottJoe- have you ever heard the phrase "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar"?

    You have said some things (SOME) about the state of racial relations in the USA that are true. However the way you state them is very off putting. The level of vitriol and name calling you stoop to isn't going to change anyone's mind. Definitely not the people you are being rude to and bystanders such as myself who are inclined to agree with your assessment are often turned off.
    I'm sure it makes you feel better to sound off, but what do you actually DO to address racial injustice? Other than sound off on forums on RJ I mean.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 11, 2015 8:45 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidHottJoe- have you ever heard the phrase "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar"?

    You have said some things (SOME) about the state of racial relations in the USA that are true. However the way you state them is very off putting. The level of vitriol and name calling you stoop to isn't going to change anyone's mind. Definitely not the people you are being rude to and bystanders such as myself who are inclined to agree with your assessment are often turned off.
    I'm sure it makes you feel better to sound off, but what do you actually DO to address racial injustice? Other than sound off on forums on RJ I mean.

    You just want me to coddle racists, but sorry I won't. These are my opinions. You can agree or disagree. But they are biting because I'm disgusted with racism. It's so obvious that these guys have a despicable agenda. You want honey, but I'm not the one to sugarcoat shit.

    As far as what I do, I don't even consider my white. I live in diversity, and I educate myself so much about racism that I see through it.

    You're not attacking me. You just want me to be nice to racists. The problem is, racists aren't nice.