Fox News 'expert' states Birmingham UK is 'totally Muslim'.

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    Jan 12, 2015 9:16 PM GMT
    An American terrorism commentator has apologised for describing Birmingham as a "Muslim-only city" where non-Muslims "don't go" during a Fox News interview.

    Steven Emerson told the channel that in London "Muslim religious police" beat "anyone who doesn't dress according to Muslim, religious Muslim attire".

    He later issued an apology for his "terrible error".

    His comments have come in for ridicule, with the hashtag #FoxNewsFacts trending on Twitter.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30773297

    By the woeful standards of Fox News, he can probably still claim to be an expert.
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    Jan 12, 2015 10:08 PM GMT



    ...and there's more! ROFL!


    http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/01/12/3610608/fox-terrorism-expert-calls-britains-second-largest-city-totally-muslim-uk-prime-minister-calls-him-a-complete-idiot/
  • Hypertrophile

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    Jan 12, 2015 11:36 PM GMT
    A FOX affiliate in Florida was charged some years ago with broadcasting false information. The case went to the Supreme Court who ruled in favor of the affiliate, stating that news organizations are not responsible for the accuracy of the information their on-air experts present.

    What this means is you cannot automatically believe anything you hear in the news and the only protection you have is to access multiple sources and confirm any information you are unsure about.

    This is why I limit my TV news viewing to C-Span and little else.

    The three evening news broadcasts aren't bad, and PBS's NewsHour and Frontline are good, but the 24-hour cable networks are trash and should only be seen as entertainment. Comedic entertainment.
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    Jan 13, 2015 12:27 AM GMT
    Some decades back, the northwest fruit industry sued CBS over a totally fake story on "60 Minutes" that claimed our apples were full of dangerous chemicals. The Supremes ruled that "everybody knows" that television news is "for entertainment purposes only" and the general public "knows better" than to take any of it factually. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • tj85016

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    Jan 13, 2015 7:14 AM GMT
    please, as if the BBC, France24, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, or CBC don't report false crap on occasion
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 13, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidplease, as if the BBC, France24, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, or CBC don't report false crap on occasion

    People who watch Fox don't watch those "liberal" sources you mentioned.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 13, 2015 4:45 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    tj85016 saidplease, as if the BBC, France24, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, or CBC don't report false crap on occasion

    People who watch Fox don't watch those "liberal" sources you mentioned.icon_rolleyes.gif
    How do you knowicon_question.gif Any valid prooficon_question.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 13, 2015 4:49 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe said
    tj85016 saidplease, as if the BBC, France24, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, or CBC don't report false crap on occasion

    People who watch Fox don't watch those "liberal" sources you mentioned.icon_rolleyes.gif
    How do you knowicon_question.gif Any valid prooficon_question.gif

    The proof of what they ate is in the shit that comes out.icon_lol.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 13, 2015 4:50 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe said
    tj85016 saidplease, as if the BBC, France24, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, or CBC don't report false crap on occasion

    People who watch Fox don't watch those "liberal" sources you mentioned.icon_rolleyes.gif
    How do you knowicon_question.gif Any valid prooficon_question.gif

    The proof of what they ate is in the shit that comes out.icon_lol.gif
    Yet you have no valid proof, just baseless opinions and hyperbole. Now stifle yourself.
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    Jan 14, 2015 11:36 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidplease, as if the BBC, France24, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, or CBC don't report false crap on occasion


    Of course they get it wrong occasionally, but they don't keep inviting back a so-called expert who clearly does not know his subject, like that idiot on Fox News. Fox News is a joke of a news channel and everyone (except certain brain-dead conservative types) knows it.
  • crosswinds

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    Jan 14, 2015 9:49 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    tj85016 saidplease, as if the BBC, France24, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, or CBC don't report false crap on occasion


    Of course they get it wrong occasionally, but they don't keep inviting back a so-called expert who clearly does not know his subject, like that idiot on Fox News. Fox News is a joke of a news channel and everyone (except certain brain-dead conservative types) knows it.


    I think you undersell Fox News. In fact, I find they do a nice job in that they are aiming their content at their relevant section of the population. You are obviously not one of those people, and therefore do not think very highly of them.

    I'm sure many people would say the exact same things you say about CNN/NBC/BBC/[insert here].

    It's all a matter of perspective. And if you don't agree with a certain news channel, it does not make them "a joke of a news channel". I find that Fox News is quite accurate on some topics, yet totally off on others. Yet most news channels are.
  • mwolverine

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    Jan 15, 2015 5:40 AM GMT
    I think at issue is the quality of the "experts".

    I remember back in the early days of CNN they would take seemingly whatever they could get. They were careful to present both sides of an issue, but not always very well. For example, they might have gotten a responsible college professor to represent one side of an issue, and some total hack to represent the other side.

    The hack, of course, would not only completely overstate his side, but deny everything from the other side. The academic would lean one way, but concede some give and take. A viewer who wasn't aware of this dynamic might walk away thinking that the hack made a good case and must be right.

    Which is why I much preferred to watch Nightline. Because when Ted called for an expert, he got experts. As well as world leaders, etc. It was worth watching, not filler to get through the next half hour. (It also didn't hurt that he wasn't some pretty bimbo playing interviewer despite barely, if at all, understanding the issue.)
  • bobbobbob

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    Jan 15, 2015 6:59 AM GMT
    This has already been covered on another thread.


    Here's some facts about Emerson you aren't telling which makes you guilty of exactly what you're trying to say Fox is guilty of.

    1. He's a Democrat.
    2. He issued an apology.
    3. He was never a Foxnews employee, simply someone they were interviewing.
    4. Emerson has been referred to by the liberal New York Times as "an expert on intelligence", and by the liberal New York Post as "the nation's foremost journalistic expert on terrorism".
    5. BBC gave a complete and unbiased account of this.

    For the record I'm not defending Fox. It's obvious you don't like Fox any more than I do. I'm stepping into to stop the hypocrisy of someone who has not checked his own facts and misrepresenting the truth before he accused someone else of not checking the facts and misrepresenting the truth.

    If you intend to act better than someone else you damn sure better do better than this. Otherwise you're just as bad as the people you tell lies about, right?
  • TheBaise

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    Jan 15, 2015 5:09 PM GMT
    Wow! BobBobBob just called you out as being a liar and muckraker, EXMIL8! Dude! That's frickin' cold. What're you gonna say now, man? And how are you getting Faux News in England anyway?
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    Jan 15, 2015 6:00 PM GMT
    TheBaise saidWow! BobBobBob just called you out as being a liar and muckraker, EXMIL8! Dude! That's frickin' cold. What're you gonna say now, man? And how are you getting Faux News in England anyway?


    I know who you are, socko, so I won't be rising to the bait. You're blocked, again. Bye.
  • bobbobbob

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    Jan 15, 2015 6:15 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    TheBaise saidWow! BobBobBob just called you out as being a liar and muckraker, EXMIL8! Dude! That's frickin' cold. What're you gonna say now, man? And how are you getting Faux News in England anyway?


    I know who you are, socko, so I won't be rising to the bait. You're blocked, again. Bye.


    Hahahahahahaha!


    You don't know squat about me. No sock here. No bait either.

    Why are you not trying to defend yourself from the allegations instead of attacking me?

    OH! I know!
    Because I told truth and you have no defense against it so you attacked me.

    Maybe from now on you should double check things before you sign on to be a messenger boy from the propaganda factory.

    And ignoring me is just about as immature as a you can get. It's not going to change the facts and the the truth.

  • bobbobbob

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    Jan 15, 2015 6:26 PM GMT
    Here's the other thread about this. It was up for about a week before Ex Mil8 started this one.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3986444/
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    Jan 15, 2015 6:54 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidThis has already been covered on another thread.

    Here's some facts about Emerson you aren't telling which makes you guilty of exactly what you're trying to say Fox is guilty of.

    1. He's a Democrat.
    2. He issued an apology.
    3. He was never a Foxnews employee, simply someone they were interviewing.
    4. Emerson has been referred to by the liberal New York Times as "an expert on intelligence", and by the liberal New York Post as "the nation's foremost journalistic expert on terrorism".
    5. BBC gave a complete and unbiased account of this.

    For the record I'm not defending Fox. It's obvious you don't like Fox any more than I do. I'm stepping into to stop the hypocrisy of someone who has not checked his own facts and misrepresenting the truth before he accused someone else of not checking the facts and misrepresenting the truth.

    If you intend to act better than someone else you damn sure better do better than this. Otherwise you're just as bad as the people you tell lies about, right?


    What a crock of shit. Did you seriously just plagiarize that Miata scumbag? Oh, Ick. Could you be more smarmy!

    Show us proof that he's a Democrat as you've just restated. That NYT quote is twenty seven years old, you've probably got crust in your crack older than that. ICK! You are disgusting. Show us where the Times has lent credence to this guy since he outed himself as nothing but dirt back in the 1990s. Hypocrisy huh? For the record: Go fuck yourself.

    GOP= Gobs Of Poop
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    Typical Republican behavior

    PS, you're on ignore. You are a disgusting piece of shit. buh bye piece of shit
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    Jan 15, 2015 7:00 PM GMT
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    bobbobbob saidThis has already been covered on another thread.

    Here's some facts about Emerson you aren't telling which makes you guilty of exactly what you're trying to say Fox is guilty of.

    1. He's a Democrat.
    2. He issued an apology.
    3. He was never a Foxnews employee, simply someone they were interviewing.
    4. Emerson has been referred to by the liberal New York Times as "an expert on intelligence", and by the liberal New York Post as "the nation's foremost journalistic expert on terrorism".
    5. BBC gave a complete and unbiased account of this.

    For the record I'm not defending Fox. It's obvious you don't like Fox any more than I do. I'm stepping into to stop the hypocrisy of someone who has not checked his own facts and misrepresenting the truth before he accused someone else of not checking the facts and misrepresenting the truth.

    If you intend to act better than someone else you damn sure better do better than this. Otherwise you're just as bad as the people you tell lies about, right?


    What a crock of shit. Did you seriously just plagiarize that Miata scumbag? Oh, Ick. Could you be more smarmy!

    Show us proof that he's a Democrat as you've just restated. That NYT quote is twenty seven years old, you've probably got crust in your crack older than that. ICK! You are disgusting. Show us where the Times has lent credence to this guy since he outed himself as nothing but dirt back in the 1990s. Hypocrisy huh? For the record: Go fuck yourself.

    GOP= Gobs Of Poop

    Typical Republican behavior

    PS, you're on ignore. You are a disgusting piece of shit. buh bye piece of shit

    I think it best to ignore posts of those who keep their profiles hidden, but interesting to note an example of what happens when mental health funds are limited. In the past guys like this would be institutionalized. Unusual in this case only used the f-bomb once.
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    Jan 15, 2015 7:06 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidThis has already been covered on another thread.


    Here's some facts about Emerson you aren't telling which makes you guilty of exactly what you're trying to say Fox is guilty of.

    1. He's a Democrat.
    2. He issued an apology.
    3. He was never a Foxnews employee, simply someone they were interviewing.
    4. Emerson has been referred to by the liberal New York Times as "an expert on intelligence", and by the liberal New York Post as "the nation's foremost journalistic expert on terrorism".
    5. BBC gave a complete and unbiased account of this.

    For the record I'm not defending Fox. It's obvious you don't like Fox any more than I do. I'm stepping into to stop the hypocrisy of someone who has not checked his own facts and misrepresenting the truth before he accused someone else of not checking the facts and misrepresenting the truth.

    If you intend to act better than someone else you damn sure better do better than this. Otherwise you're just as bad as the people you tell lies about, right?


    1. With regard to his field of 'expertise' (i.e. terrorism), his personal political affiliations are irrelevant.

    2. His apology does not affect his clear lack of knowledge in his field and his retraction does not address the claims he made earlier about no-go zones in France. He has also made other glaring errors in his field of 'expertise': http://www.channel4.com/news/seven-other-big-errors-of-no-go-birmingham-pundit

    3. Emerson is a regular contributor to Fox News. Clearly, they are happy to take his word as a self-styled 'expert'. His interviewer, Ms Pirro (who is a Fox employee) compounded his error by making an equally idiotic statement, "You know what it sounds like to me, Steve? It sounds like a caliphate within a particular country."

    4. The New York Times last called Steve Emerson 'an expert on intelligence' on 1 June 1988. Unlike Fox, it seems they have not perpetuated their error. http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/01/us/washington-talk-briefing-undercover-talk.html?pagewanted=1

    5. BBC News gave a complete and unbiased account, which reported, among other things, that Emerson was wrong about Birmingham and has been widely ridiculed for it.

    P.S. Why did you take my comments in answer to TheBaise as being addressed to you? Very odd. Unless, of course...
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    Jan 15, 2015 7:11 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    theantijock said
    bobbobbob saidThis has already been covered on another thread.

    Here's some facts about Emerson you aren't telling which makes you guilty of exactly what you're trying to say Fox is guilty of.

    1. He's a Democrat.
    2. He issued an apology.
    3. He was never a Foxnews employee, simply someone they were interviewing.
    4. Emerson has been referred to by the liberal New York Times as "an expert on intelligence", and by the liberal New York Post as "the nation's foremost journalistic expert on terrorism".
    5. BBC gave a complete and unbiased account of this.

    For the record I'm not defending Fox. It's obvious you don't like Fox any more than I do. I'm stepping into to stop the hypocrisy of someone who has not checked his own facts and misrepresenting the truth before he accused someone else of not checking the facts and misrepresenting the truth.

    If you intend to act better than someone else you damn sure better do better than this. Otherwise you're just as bad as the people you tell lies about, right?


    What a crock of shit. Did you seriously just plagiarize that Miata scumbag? Oh, Ick. Could you be more smarmy!

    Show us proof that he's a Democrat as you've just restated. That NYT quote is twenty seven years old, you've probably got crust in your crack older than that. ICK! You are disgusting. Show us where the Times has lent credence to this guy since he outed himself as nothing but dirt back in the 1990s. Hypocrisy huh? For the record: Go fuck yourself.

    GOP= Gobs Of Poop
    poop-snathin-elephant-o.gif
    Typical Republican behavior

    PS, you're on ignore. You are a disgusting piece of shit. buh bye piece of shit

    I think it best to ignore posts of those who keep their profiles hidden, but interesting to note an example of what happens when mental health funds are limited. In the past guys like this would be institutionalized. Unusual in this case only used the f-bomb once.


    lololol

    Look who's talking, the headless one. lolololol. We know you're not really headless. It's just up your ass is all. That's why we can't see it. Because when you are not eating up the shit of your fellow douchebags, your up in your own ass eating your own shit. Go fuck yourself socal. You are scum. Putting you back onto ignore too. buh bye scum.
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    Jan 15, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
    theantijock saidlololol

    Look who's talking, the headless one. lolololol. We know you're not really headless. It's just up your ass is all. That's why we can't see it. Because when you are not eating up the shit of your fellow douchebags, your up in your own ass eating your own shit. Go fuck yourself socal. You are scum. Putting you back onto ignore too. buh bye scum.

    Another example of being mentally imbalanced. Someone who keeps his profile completely hidden ridicules another because face photos are not public. Don't expect logical thinking from that ilk.
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    Jan 16, 2015 5:44 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidHere's the other thread about this. It was up for about a week before Ex Mil8 started this one.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3986444/


    Hmm, silly me, starting a thread about news in the News & Politics Forum. The conservasocks are just a bit pissed off because someone criticized their beloved Fox News. Their, "I'm no fan of Fox News, but..." BS is kidding no one.
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  • Hypertrophile

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    Jan 18, 2015 3:37 PM GMT
    FOX has issued multiple apologies/retractions for their use of Emerson's misinformation to spread fear. Hopefully this will motivate them and other news organizations to pre-qualify their guest experts before giving them air time.

    What will be interesting is to see how many people continue to repeat the false information having missed or ignored the retractions.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/18/media/fox-apologizes-for-anti-islam-comments/index.html