French cuffs with no tie

  • maxferguson

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    Jan 14, 2015 2:49 AM GMT
    Yay or nay? Personally I don't mind it. Ordered a few nice banker's shirts (i.e, white collar and cuffs) with french cuffs. I usually don't like wearing a tie, but will if I have to. Thoughts?
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    Jan 14, 2015 5:08 AM GMT
    Got any pictures? I can't picture it in my mind. With or without cufflinks?
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    Jan 14, 2015 5:18 AM GMT
    I do it all the time. French cuffs, killer cuff links and jeans are a favorite of Mine!
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    Jan 14, 2015 5:51 AM GMT
    Depends on who you ask and where you're going. Technically....absolutely not. They "should" always been worn with a tie AND jacket. If you do this in certain circles you'll come off looking like you don't know how to dress yourself. But....unless you work in finance or something, a lot of people are breaking many old school rules like this and I happen to be one of them. The only thing I would absolutely forbid is do not wear a contrasting cuff and collar shirt without a tie and jacket. You'll look like a complete douche.

    Please forgive me but those white glasses are atrocious. Your face is too handsome to put something so distracting on it!
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    Jan 14, 2015 7:56 AM GMT
    yes, without a tie, but with a jacket, and yes those white glasses are not good. What EVER made men think they look good in white glasses… icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 14, 2015 8:12 AM GMT
    I always ask my self when it comes to fashion........

    What would 077 do?

    P.S.

    We should trade some cuff links!!
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    Jan 14, 2015 8:20 PM GMT
    According to G.Q.'s Glenn O'Brian (The Style Guy):


    "French cuffs are a dressed-up look. It’s fine to work in your shirtsleeves, but when you hit the streets your French cuffs should be peeking proudly from under your jacket cuffs. Popularity is overrated. Style is not a democracy."
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    Jan 14, 2015 9:18 PM GMT
    maxferguson said... I usually don't like wearing a tie, but will if I have to...

    there is a youtube video, made in reverse through a mirror, that is great for learning to tie a bow tie.

    that is if the evenings tickets are expensive enough.
  • tj85016

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    Jan 15, 2015 12:57 AM GMT
    why do I get an image of Cam on Modern Family while reading this?
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    Jan 15, 2015 1:45 AM GMT
    As with anything, you first have to know the rules to properly break them. Otherwise, you'll just look ridiculous.
  • maxferguson

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    Jan 15, 2015 4:18 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidGot any pictures? I can't picture it in my mind. With or without cufflinks?


    I don't yet icon_sad.gif They are custom shirts and haven't arrived yet. I will post when they do!
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    Jan 15, 2015 4:55 AM GMT
    These days I only wear French cuffs with a dinner jacket/tuxedo and bow tie. So that the opportunity to untie the bow doesn't occur, until after the dinner or other function has ended and I'm going home.

    As someone already noted the shirt cuff should extend about 1/2 inch past the jacket sleeve, with the arms at the side. A tuxedo jacket with sleeves past the wrist joint screams "rental" and HS prom.

    Tying a bow isn't very difficult, when you realize it's the same knot as you use on your shoe laces. The art is in keeping the fabric flat and facing all in the same direction.

    And knowing the correct way to start the knot. Otherwise the bow won't stay horizontal, but will be crooked on your neck all night.

    I don't wear custom-made shirts, but I do order my dress shirts through a men's clothing store. And then have them altered as I would a suit jacket.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Jan 15, 2015 10:45 AM GMT
    Double-cuffs with Jean? eeek no.

    Double-cuffs are for formal and business wear, i.e. suit and trousers.

    Single-cuff shirt with soft collar and jeans (dark and smart) yes, of course.

    When wearing formal or business wear I only wear shirts with detachable collars.

    And when wearing double-cuffs and a suit or formal wear (Dinner Jacket, Tails) a gentlemen should have one inch of whte cuff showing. And it cgoes without saying that shirts worn with a Dinner Suit or Tails should be a proper Marcella shirt with separate collar, cuffs and front (to take studs, obviously). And it should be a Windsor e.g. "Wing" collar, too. And no nasty horrible pre-tied bow ties.
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    Jan 15, 2015 12:51 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant said
    And it should be a Windsor e.g. "Wing" collar, too. And no nasty horrible pre-tied bow ties.

    Just as horrible to me is a wing collar worn with a bow tie with an adjustable buckle, since the neckband is visible, unlike a turndown collar. All my bows are made to my collar size without a buckle.
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    Jan 15, 2015 6:23 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Rowing_Ant said
    And it should be a Windsor e.g. "Wing" collar, too. And no nasty horrible pre-tied bow ties.

    Just as horrible to me is a wing collar worn with a bow tie with an adjustable buckle, since the neckband is visible, unlike a turndown collar. All my bows are made to my collar size without a buckle.


    Same here! icon_lol.gif

    I LOVE dressing properly.It gives a sense of occasion. Makes you feel special....and to be brutally honest, I look fucking stunning in white tie (especially as mine is 1930s vintage so it emphasises a narrow waist and broad chest and shoulders)
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    Jan 15, 2015 6:38 PM GMT
    Nay. Also, ties are amazing. The jacket but no tie look is very cringey.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Jan 15, 2015 7:01 PM GMT
    Oh yes. Like you can't be bothered.

    Same with double-cuff shirt, no tie and casual trousers or jeans - like you forgot you were getting dressed half way t hrough or couldn't be bothered. lol. icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 15, 2015 7:04 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidOh yes. Like you can't be bothered.

    Same with double-cuff shirt, no tie and casual trousers or jeans - like you forgot you were getting dressed half way t hrough or couldn't be bothered. lol. icon_wink.gif


    Like this (bleurgh):

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    Jan 15, 2015 7:16 PM GMT
    Ohno said
    Rowing_Ant saidOh yes. Like you can't be bothered.
    Same with double-cuff shirt, no tie and casual trousers or jeans - like you forgot you were getting dressed half way t hrough or couldn't be bothered. lol. icon_wink.gif
    Like this (bleurgh):
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    Yeah, I've never liked that look. It's like they're making some half-assed I-don't-give-a-shit attempt at trying to be well dressed. Or "I'm too laid back to wear a suit"; then don't be half-assed half way about it.
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    Jan 15, 2015 7:30 PM GMT
    I have a smart-casual job interview on Saturday but I might just wear my new suit and shoes (and a tie) anyway icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 15, 2015 8:22 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidAccording to G.Q.'s Glenn O'Brian (The Style Guy):


    "French cuffs are a dressed-up look. It’s fine to work in your shirtsleeves, but when you hit the streets your French cuffs should be peeking proudly from under your jacket cuffs. Popularity is overrated. Style is not a democracy."



    I agree with this. go with the jacket...tie optional.
  • wellwell

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    Jan 15, 2015 8:57 PM GMT
    Doable! ..shows a hint-of-rebellion& individuality!
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    Jan 15, 2015 10:48 PM GMT
    Ohno said
    Rowing_Ant saidOh yes. Like you can't be bothered.

    Same with double-cuff shirt, no tie and casual trousers or jeans - like you forgot you were getting dressed half way t hrough or couldn't be bothered. lol. icon_wink.gif


    Like this (bleurgh):

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    I think this is a horrible look. Looks very unprofessional and like he just doesn't give a rat's ass. It's like he's wearing a giant bib. I guess he thinks he can get away with it because he's a celebrity but he still looks like shit.
  • maxferguson

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    Jan 16, 2015 1:14 AM GMT
    Lpchiguy said
    Jockbod48 saidAccording to G.Q.'s Glenn O'Brian (The Style Guy):


    "French cuffs are a dressed-up look. It’s fine to work in your shirtsleeves, but when you hit the streets your French cuffs should be peeking proudly from under your jacket cuffs. Popularity is overrated. Style is not a democracy."



    I agree with this. go with the jacket...tie optional.


    I tend to agree with this. The expectation of wearing a jacket all day at work is a bit much. Doable, but not a rule.

    PS: Thanks for all the help, guys!
  • maxferguson

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    Jan 16, 2015 1:22 AM GMT
    Ohno saidNay. Also, ties are amazing. The jacket but no tie look is very cringey.


    I'm mixed on this. I think if your collar is stiff enough and doesn't just slouch down then it looks really good, but if you get this look going it just looks sloppy

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    I think if the collar is stiff enough to maintain its shape then it portrays a sense of intent, which I think is a lot of what a tie does. I love the way ties look and the variety they come in. My only disdain for ties is that I get very warm when I wear them and they look just as bad as floppy collar if they're loose enough to keep you cool.