Carter and Clinton at the inauguration. The SNUB heard all around the world.

  • silverfox

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    Jan 20, 2009 9:04 PM GMT
    Jeez whiz MR. PRESIDENTS how about setting an example on this historic day?

    BAD NEWS guys....




  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 20, 2009 9:14 PM GMT
    Well if it is in fact a little bit of a snub, I think its unfortunate.... I am a little surprised he kissed Barbara Bush, but who knows what was going on in that hallway.

    I agree however, if thats a snub, it wasn't appropriate.
  • silverfox

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    Jan 20, 2009 9:17 PM GMT
    I don't know HK I can't see how that would be interpreted as anything other than a snub. So disappointing.

    Oh well at least there is American Idol tonight....

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    Jan 20, 2009 9:38 PM GMT
    OMG! IMPEACH HIM!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 20, 2009 9:40 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidOMG! IMPEACH HIM!


    Um, either man would have to be president to be impeached...LOL
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    Jan 20, 2009 9:41 PM GMT
    ugh... what poor form!
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    Jan 20, 2009 9:42 PM GMT
    I know. lol!
  • coolarmydude

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    Jan 20, 2009 9:44 PM GMT
    I never knew how the Clinton/Carter feud came to be. Can someone fill me in?
  • Freddo

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    Jan 20, 2009 9:45 PM GMT
    I am not a huge fan of Carter, but that looked like more of an oversight than a snub. Clinton didn't look like he was extending his hand or anything... and Carter is getting up there in the years.
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    Jan 20, 2009 9:51 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI never knew how the Clinton/Carter feud came to be. Can someone fill me in?

    I think it came about from the campaign when Clinton was attacking Obama.
    Carter much like Paris hilton gets alot of attention from his public feuds.
  • silverfox

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    Jan 20, 2009 10:06 PM GMT
    Freddo saidI am not a huge fan of Carter, but that looked like more of an oversight than a snub. Clinton didn't look like he was extending his hand or anything... and Carter is getting up there in the years.



    Nah...I don't agree. That was a full fledge SNUB and Rosalynn did similar and I am pretty sure she still has all her marbles....
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    Jan 20, 2009 10:12 PM GMT
    I think it was probably some senile old man version of retribution for the "living presidents" photo shoot they did a couple of weeks ago when the other presidents all squished together away from Carter who was left alone in the corner. If not, then maybe he was just dazed by all the people and cameras?

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  • Freddo

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    Jan 20, 2009 10:18 PM GMT
    silverfox1 said
    Freddo saidI am not a huge fan of Carter, but that looked like more of an oversight than a snub. Clinton didn't look like he was extending his hand or anything... and Carter is getting up there in the years.



    Nah...I don't agree. That was a full fledge SNUB and Rosalynn did similar and I am pretty sure she still has all her marbles....


    Hmm, well I don't know the history between the two so it could have been a snub, but at first glance it looked to me that it was just a case of absent mindedness. I just know that I tend to be a bit absent minded myself so if someone were next to me that I knew, but didn't make themselves known, I could very well miss them.

    If that was in fact a snub, then that was pretty rude of him. Even if he doesn't like him, at least show proper respect.
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    Jan 20, 2009 10:19 PM GMT
    Yes. I believe it goes back to the photo as well. Carter standing away from the rest of them speaks volumes.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 20, 2009 10:41 PM GMT
    Well I think the issues go back to Clinton's time in office and Carter's efforts brokering agreements between parties, mostly overseas. I know Clinton may have felt that Jimmy overstepped his bounds... I also know that Carter had a very tough stance on the Monica situation. My guess is that Jimmy Carter views Clinton as "inappropriate" and Clinton probably views Carter as a "stick in the mud" without flexibility.

    One point here.. US history is filled with presidents that didn't get along.. we have an unusual era going here. Years ago former presidents didn't gather the way they do now. Do you think Herbert Hoover was invited to inaugurations every 4 years after he left office in 1933 until his death in the 1960's? I've heard about the Hoover/ FDR rift and of course that of Truman and Eisenhower. I even have read about how much Franklin Pierce hated Lincoln. Its gone on for most of our history.
  • rnch

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    Jan 20, 2009 11:20 PM GMT
    THAT'S a snub? get over it, nancy icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 20, 2009 11:20 PM GMT
    The Presidents getting together is a great recent "phenomenon" It's great. Bush 43 invoked his Father and Bill to come together for tsunami disaster relief. Brilliant. I have no knowledge of the effectiveness of the outcome (as I want to Google it, but, since I don't live in Indonesia... as our new President did). The thought does count.

    And this transition does too. It's happened before, when IKE passed the torch to JFK. Amazing.

    It's kind of limited for me to be propping up politicos, but one question... President Carter, it seems, makes more of his post-Presidency than I can recount historically. I admire his efforts, but his gaffes seem to be off-base and mean. I'd even go so far to say I expect more from a man who declares Southern Hospitality. I may be wrong. I never met Carter, and don't really understand his politics. I have room to learn.
  • EricLA

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    Jan 20, 2009 11:35 PM GMT
    Yeah, I read about this earlier, about the history between Carter and Clinton. Apparently, Clinton blames Carter's loss in 1980 to Reagan for derailing his election then as governor of Arkansas. He also didn't like Carter's freewheeling diplomacy while he was president. And he was also stung by Carter's criticism of him during the Monica Lewinsky affair. Carter apparently never held Clinton in very high regard.

    Which explains the phone of the presidents together and the lack of handshakes this morning.

    I do hope they were listening when Obama told the nation it's "time to put away childish things" in regards to such pettiness.
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    Jan 21, 2009 12:43 AM GMT
    Hahahaha,
    i hope it was a snub.
    Clinton was a lousy president, bush sr was an awful president, carter wasnt any good, bush jr was a disaster, and obama.... well, time will tell.

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    Jan 21, 2009 12:51 AM GMT
    I dont think there was a snub. The one man just gave directions and Pres. Clinton was talking to the man on the other side of the hall getting clarification and Carter just happened to walk by.
  • soccerstriker

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    Jan 21, 2009 12:58 AM GMT
    the man is like 1000 years old. all those camera's flashing probably disoriented the poor old man
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    Jan 21, 2009 12:59 AM GMT
    Caslon8000 saidI dont think there was a snub. The one man just gave directions and Pres. Clinton was talking to the man on the other side of the hall getting clarification and Carter just happened to walk by.
    Oh Caslon, I disagree. Notice Roslyn, doesn't even give Hillary the time of day, nor does President Carter and then Roslyn give President Clinton a sort of "courtesy" hello but no hand, no hug, no peck on the cheek. I'd say it was definitely a snub.
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    Jan 21, 2009 1:07 AM GMT
    At the time of the "living presidents" photo shoot, it was noted in the press that Carter appeared to be snubbing Clinton. I don't know that he was snubbing the others, but it did look like he thought Clinton had the cooties.

    Since this was commented on in the press, Carter must have known that he had been perceived as snubbing Clinton. If nothing else, someone probably would have made a point of saying to him, "The next time you're in public, make sure you don't appear to snub him."

    Since he did it again, I think there's little question that it was a snub.
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    Jan 21, 2009 1:49 AM GMT
    uhhh carter looks likes he is 1000, maybe he doesnt know who/what is around him...
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    Jan 21, 2009 2:06 AM GMT
    The point of these Presidential group photos, while no doubt awkward for some of the participants, is to demonstrate something that few other countries can claim. To wit, that the US has peaceful & legal transitions of power, and that one's political opponents don't end up dead or in jail.

    In that sense they are valuable & necessary, if undoubtedly a bit forced & contrived. Whether one wasn't cordial to another doesn't interest me; the important lesson was that they all got together, living & breathing.