More Liberal Democrat Racism?

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    Jan 17, 2015 10:50 PM GMT
    Oops Liberal Democrats, you can't blame this one on Republicans, George Bush, Foxnews or Global Warming. The Motion Picture Academy is 80% Liberal Democrat:

    Motion Picture Academy President Responds to '#OscarsSoWhite' Controversy

    http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwmovies/article/Motion-Picture-Academy-President-Responds-to-OscarsSoWhite-Controversy-20150117

    Racebaitor Al Sharpton's involved now:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2913654/Oscars-race-row-Rev-Al-Sharpton-calls-emergency-Hollywood-meeting-insulting-absence-black-actors-nominees.html

    Al Sharpton has said the Oscar nominations are 'appallingly insulting' and compared Hollywood to the Rocky Mountains, saying the higher you get 'the whiter it gets'.
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    Jan 17, 2015 10:58 PM GMT
    Are there quotas for minorities at the Oscars? I thought you Right Wingers were opposed to minority quotas.

    Maybe this year no minority talents met the test. It can happen, you know.

    Or are you suggesting there should be a "set aside" for minorities at the Oscars? Is this what you're proposing?

    Sounds kinda extremely Liberal to me. icon_wink.gif
  • Kovyn

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    Jan 17, 2015 11:04 PM GMT
    Another race topic? I miss the good old days.
    ... when blacks were slaves.
  • Apparition

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    Jan 18, 2015 4:22 PM GMT
    in the age of the internet, all races are free to make movies they feel are relevant to their own culture, and yet almost none do. funny that.

    And it is not a matter of money, there are plenty of awesome movies that cost less than a new car.

    Clerks (1994)
    Budget: $27,000
    Worldwide Gross: $3,894,240

    Primer (2004)
    $7,000
  • Hypertrophile

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    Jan 18, 2015 5:18 PM GMT
    Had actors of color been nominated for less than worthy performances, the same people would be complaining about the Academy bending over backwards to make quotas.

    In the end, it's actors who nominate actors, and I just don't see white-racism playing a part here. In the past, maybe, but not these days.
  • rnch

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    Jan 18, 2015 5:24 PM GMT
    yawn





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  • SuntoryTime

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    Jan 18, 2015 6:27 PM GMT
    Apparition saidin the age of the internet, all races are free to make movies they feel are relevant to their own culture, and yet almost none do. funny that.

    And it is not a matter of money, there are plenty of awesome movies that cost less than a new car.

    Clerks (1994)
    Budget: $27,000
    Worldwide Gross: $3,894,240

    Primer (2004)
    $7,000


    First, the success of those movies proves the rule. It's weird that you used Clerks and Primer as examples. No one in the industry points to Clerks and Primer and says "this happens all the time".

    Secondly, the statement "all races are free to make movies they feel are relevant to their own culture, and yet almost none do" is ignorant on multiple levels. In the age of the internet, people are still too lazy to thoroughly fact check their claims.
  • SuntoryTime

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    Jan 18, 2015 6:36 PM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidHad actors of color been nominated for less than worthy performances, the same people would be complaining about the Academy bending over backwards to make quotas.

    In the end, it's actors who nominate actors, and I just don't see white-racism playing a part here. In the past, maybe, but not these days.


    Could you imagine the outrage if 7 out of 8 actors nominated for an Oscar were black or any other nonwhite ethnicity? No matter how brilliant they are we would never hear the end of "political correctness run amok".

    BTW: There's a mountain of evidence proving implicit biases influences many of our decisions.

    In the end, I don't really care. I just don't like it when people try to make phony excuses for their biases. If you believe some races are superior to others (the definition of racism), then own it. Better an open racist than a cowardly deceiver.
  • christastic

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    Jan 18, 2015 6:41 PM GMT
    lol a bunch of old white men complaining that their privilege is being eroded icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 18, 2015 8:03 PM GMT
    christastic saidlol a bunch of old white men complaining that their privilege is being eroded icon_lol.gif



    I hope you never have to work , escape genocide, or even enslaved ? I guess when you are ignorant , make it known, using words like white privilege, and just scream you are clueless.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 18, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
    It's white flight, and they're taking Hollywood with them! There's also audience flight, apparently. Do people still go to movies?icon_confused.gif

    I think if white supremacy is eroding, then what's left is a white cult. Hollywood is a sign of the times, maybe?

    I think we have to give up our cults in order to be multicultural. I'll boycott Hollywood. They are merely the new dying gilded age, and I want to be there for the next big thing.icon_idea.gif
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    Jan 18, 2015 8:47 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidIt's white flight, and they're taking Hollywood with them! There's also audience flight, apparently. Do people still go to movies?icon_confused.gif

    I think if white supremacy is eroding, then what's left is a white cult. Hollywood is a sign of the times, maybe?

    I think we have to give up our cults in order to be multicultural. I'll boycott Hollywood. They are merely the new dying gilded age, and I want to be there for the next big thing.icon_idea.gif


    Sorry Joe - but you are in the dark on several points here.

    Theatre attendance is down but VOD is thru the roof and growing exponentially.

    Revenues are huge, setting almost monthly records and the International market has only begun to be tapped.

    People watch and are influenced by movies on a daily basis, be it escapist fiction or documentary.

    The mode of viewing is changing almost faster than the Industry suits are able to keep up with.

    There is also plenty of capital for financing of productions, including ethnocentric indies, but a shortage of distributors.

    Internet piracy has also become an enormous issue as it depletes the ability of film makers to produce and get funding.

    "Boycotting Hollywood" may sound like a romantic and noble gesture but it accomplishes nothing while making a hollow statement on a puppet issue.

    It is the equivalent of refusing to brush Your teeth because there is not enough diversity (in Your opinion) amongst dentists.

    And keep in mind awards are only partially based on a meritocracy. They are huge political campaigns that require armies of Industry soldiers. The Academy (and every other voting body) have MANY elements to consider.
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    Jan 18, 2015 8:49 PM GMT
    Apparition saidin the age of the internet, all races are free to make movies they feel are relevant to their own culture, and yet almost none do. funny that.


    Guess they're just incapable or unwilling, right?

    Women had rights equal to men since the first world war, but are simply incapable or unwilling to become anything other than secretaries and nurses for many more decades...

    Blacks had full rights since the 60's, but are simply incapable or unwilling to stay out of prison...

    Social change takes much longer than legislative change.
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    Jan 18, 2015 9:16 PM GMT
    Aqueerius said
    Apparition saidin the age of the internet, all races are free to make movies they feel are relevant to their own culture, and yet almost none do. funny that.


    Guess they're just incapable or unwilling, right?

    Women had rights equal to men since the first world war, but are simply incapable or unwilling to become anything other than secretaries and nurses for many more decades...

    Blacks had full rights since the 60's, but are simply incapable or unwilling to stay out of prison...

    Social change takes much longer than legislative change.


    There can be no denying that minorities, although making huge unprecedented strides, still have many hurdles to overcome in the Entertainmet Industry.

    And for the record, secretaries (now more appropriately called Executive or Personal Assistants) and nurses were and continue to be vital parts of the economy and social fabric that got Us here today.

    Apparition is making a statement that is based on personal theory and NOT Industry knowledge and should be taken as such.
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    Jan 18, 2015 11:19 PM GMT
    Hard to believe that anyone cares what Al Sharpton is saying. Whenever that publicity hound surfaces, the Tawana Brawley brouhaha comes immediately to mind.

    There have been a number of black actors in recent years that have won or been nominated for oscars in recent years: Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman, Eddie Murphy, Forest Whitaker come to mind, plus several actresses I can't remember the names of offhand.

    You can't blame "the Academy" for there being a small percentage of oscar winners among non-whites. It's all about money. Before someone can win an oscar, even if they could put out a great performance, they have to have a big role in a film - usually a major film that will do well at the box office. The film world ("Hollywood") bases just about all of its decisions on money. No major film gets made in the US unless the producers/distributors are convinced that it will do well in theaters and other distribution outlets, and a big part of that decision is based on who will be acting in major roles in the film. When the decision makers in Hollywood conclude that a non-white actor in a film will bring in $$$, they can get cast.
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    Jan 19, 2015 2:52 AM GMT
    Except for the op, everything here is pure tosh.

    It's not racism, it's hypocrisy. Hollywood is 80% Jewish at least, and mum's the word. 'Liberal' Jews support 'causes' when it suits them. Just like everyone else.
  • mybud

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    Jan 19, 2015 2:59 AM GMT
    Republicans believe in policies that adversely affect the poor and minorities.Now they dare to bring up liberal racism. Listen asshole, divide and conquer hasn't worked for the republicans for years now. Time to try something new.
  • Tig3r

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    Jan 19, 2015 3:18 AM GMT
    Though I will not make any comment towards Al Sharpton (I am no fan of the man)

    The "#OscarsSoWhite" was actually something that blew up over twitter. Actual people and movie-goers were the ones who were concerned that the nominations were your "Cookie Cutter" directors, Older, White, Men. The Motion Picture Academy is simply responding with "We would like to see more diversity." (Which is the default answer in every one of these scenarios)
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    Jan 19, 2015 3:38 AM GMT
    Yeah, to me its just about wanting more inclusion OF EVERYONE. The good news is that I don't think it is a "we hate minorities & women" thing. There just needs to be more efforts to ask, "could others be at this table? Who is missing?" I get the artistic license and all and people should be true to their vision. But there are some stories told in movies about situations that asians, hispanics, blacks, indian americans encounter too. We go to Starbucks. We have issues with our roommates or our coworkers. We fight with our families over tradition and as soldiers in war. We fall in love and out of love. We're even afraid of ghosts.... Does every story have to be portrayed by the same pretty people?

    I will say that the network shows have become way more diverse. And there are some really good shows on tv now. I think having Al Sharpton involved is a MAJOR, MAJOR mistake and a big turnoff though.
  • SuntoryTime

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    Jan 19, 2015 5:14 PM GMT
    Bringing up Al Sharpton is nothing less than an insincere attempt to distract from the actual issue.

  • Svnw688

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    Jan 19, 2015 7:14 PM GMT
    The OP is just race-baiting and not trying to discuss anything meaningfully.

    And yeah, Hollywood is very older, whiter, and wealthier. It's not a surprise that this factual dynamic has manifestations in nominees (were minorities even up for nomination or were all leading roles given to whites? Are there conscious racists out there, or does subconscious but demonstrably provable racism have an appreciable effect that is seen in nomination results?).

    This is much ado about nothing. See your big Hollywood movies, but just try to support your local independent theatres, less "mainstream" movies, and more local artists (of every medium) in general. In trying to make Hollywood, writ large, more equal it seems we're forgetting that movies are not the be-all-end-all of art. It's almost like trying to make an equal pile of shit. At the end of the day, it's shit. I like vegging out at much as the next guy, but we can only make so much progress in Hollywood under the best scenarios.