The French Gave Us Voltaire. Was Voltaire Blasphemous? Charlie Hebdo Was Blasphemous. Muslims Cannot Appreciate That.

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    Jan 19, 2015 4:38 AM GMT
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    Shadi Hamid, Fellow, the Brookings Institute,
    author of Temptations of Power: Islamists and Illiberal Democracy in a New Middle East

    Reza Aslan, Professor UC Riverside
    author of No god but God (Updated Edition): The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam

    Michael Hanna, Senior Fellow / Century Foundation

    Will McCants, Dir. Brookings Institution [sic?] - Project on U.S. Relations with the Islamic World
    Co-author: "On the Margins: Extremist Parties in Democratic Systems (World Politics Review Features)"
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    Jan 19, 2015 4:42 AM GMT
    French Muslims are not comfortable with the right to blaspheme.

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    Europe is attacking Islam because ultra-orthodox Islam is infecting the continent.

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    Islamists believe Islam and the Koran should play an important role in politics and public life.

    Jihadists don't believe in this. They hardly believe in parliaments: God is the sole lawgiver.

    Muslim Brotherhood = ISIS = Hamas = Boko Haram is incorrect.

    ISIS accuses the Muslim Brotherhood of being disbelievers.
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    Jan 19, 2015 5:08 AM GMT
    If you don't let Islamists into the Western Civilization Political Process, they ARE going to get radicalized.
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    To understand the rise of ISIS, one has to understand the political vacuum that was created in Syria.
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    Because of religious fervor, a small group of ISIS fighters can do amazing things, amazingly bad things, for their reward of Paradise.
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    Wahhabism (Arabic: وهابية‎, Wahhābiyyah) or Wahhabi mission[1] (/wəˈhɑːbi, wɑː-/;[2] Arabic: ألدعوة ألوهابية‎, al-Da'wa al-Wahhābiyyah ) is a religious movement or sect or form[3] of Sunni Islam[4][5][6] variously described as "orthodox", "ultraconservative",[7] "austere",[3] "fundamentalist",[8] "puritanical"[9] (or "puritan").[10] It describes an Islamic "reform movement" to restore "pure monotheistic worship",[11] or an "extremist pseudo-Sunni movement".[12] Adherents often object to the term Wahhabi or Wahhabism as derogatory, and prefer to be called Salafi or muwahhid.[13][14][15]

    Wahhabism is named after an eighteenth century preacher and scholar, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792).

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    Wahhabism does not increase pluralism and tolerance in the world. - Will McCants / Brookings Institute

    ISIS has stolen the thunder of other Islamic groups because they combine the Return of the Caliphate and the Apocalypse.
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    Al Quaeda was only inspired by and aspired to the notion of Caliphate. ISIS did it.

    ... And some have chosen ISIS over chaos. - Shadi Hamid
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    Jihadists want Western governments to overreact.
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    Jan 19, 2015 5:47 AM GMT
    StephenOABC saidIslamists believe Islam and the Koran should play an important role in politics and public life.

    How about the HOLY BIBLE? It's against the law to even carry it in any or most middle east countries like the UAE.

    WHY?? You all want concession. SO DO US CHRISTIANS!icon_wink.gif



    Jihadists don't believe in this. They hardly believe in parliaments: God is the sole lawgiver.

    Muslim Brotherhood = ISIS = Hamas = Boko Haram is incorrect.

    ISIS accuses the Muslim Brotherhood of being disbelievers.
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    Jan 19, 2015 5:57 PM GMT
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    How about the HOLY BIBLE? It's against the law to even carry it in any or most middle east countries like the UAE.


    stephenoabc

    Interesting.


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    WHY?? You all want concession. SO DO US CHRISTIANS!


    stephenoabc

    There's a big difference between Christian law and Sharia law.
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    Jan 19, 2015 6:34 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidTo understand the rise of ISIS, one has to understand the political vacuum that was created in Syria.

    The civil war in Syria was sparked by their leader's totalitarian regime, and specifically an attack on rural schoolchildren by the government. Sure, that created a political vacuum, but Assad kills and gases his own people. What can be done when someone like Hitler is in charge? You have to take them out.
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    Jan 19, 2015 6:36 PM GMT
    "There's a big difference between Christian law and Sharia law."

    Not really. They are both laws people should NOT follow.icon_evil.gif
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    Jan 19, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
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    StephenOABC saidTo understand the rise of ISIS, one has to understand the political vacuum that was created in Syria.

    The civil war in Syria was sparked by their leader's totalitarian regime, and specifically an attack on rural schoolchildren by the government. Sure, that created a political vacuum, but Assad kills and gases his own people. What can be done when someone like Hitler is in charge? You have to take them out.


    The civil war in Syria was sparked by rising food prices due to Syria importing much of the basic food commodities it needs.

    Why did basic food commodities rise so much? Because the US shifted to burning food as fuel supported primarily by liberal democrat greenies.

    Liberal democrat greenies: you can't save the planet burning food and promoting toxic solar panels made in China.
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    Jan 19, 2015 9:28 PM GMT
    the French also invaded every friggin country in the Middle East, northern Africa and southeast Asia
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    Jan 19, 2015 10:05 PM GMT
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    HottJoe said
    StephenOABC saidTo understand the rise of ISIS, one has to understand the political vacuum that was created in Syria.

    The civil war in Syria was sparked by their leader's totalitarian regime, and specifically an attack on rural schoolchildren by the government. Sure, that created a political vacuum, but Assad kills and gases his own people. What can be done when someone like Hitler is in charge? You have to take them out.


    The civil war in Syria was sparked by rising food prices due to Syria importing much of the basic food commodities it needs.

    Why did basic food commodities rise so much? Because the US shifted to burning food as fuel supported primarily by liberal democrat greenies.

    Liberal democrat greenies: you can't save the planet burning food and promoting toxic solar panels made in China.

    There may have been economic issues as well, but Syria's own citizens rose up against their government. That's why it's a civil war.

    Sorry, but you can't keep blaming Obama for everything.
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    Jan 19, 2015 10:18 PM GMT
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    mx5guynj said
    HottJoe said
    StephenOABC saidTo understand the rise of ISIS, one has to understand the political vacuum that was created in Syria.

    The civil war in Syria was sparked by their leader's totalitarian regime, and specifically an attack on rural schoolchildren by the government. Sure, that created a political vacuum, but Assad kills and gases his own people. What can be done when someone like Hitler is in charge? You have to take them out.


    The civil war in Syria was sparked by rising food prices due to Syria importing much of the basic food commodities it needs.

    Why did basic food commodities rise so much? Because the US shifted to burning food as fuel supported primarily by liberal democrat greenies.

    Liberal democrat greenies: you can't save the planet burning food and promoting toxic solar panels made in China.

    There may have been economic issues as well, but Syria's own citizens rose up against their government. That's why it's a civil war.

    Sorry, but you can't keep blaming Obama for everything.


    Did you NOT blame Bush for 'everything'? Don't like it? Then don't do it.
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    Jan 19, 2015 10:49 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    mx5guynj said
    HottJoe said
    StephenOABC saidTo understand the rise of ISIS, one has to understand the political vacuum that was created in Syria.

    The civil war in Syria was sparked by their leader's totalitarian regime, and specifically an attack on rural schoolchildren by the government. Sure, that created a political vacuum, but Assad kills and gases his own people. What can be done when someone like Hitler is in charge? You have to take them out.


    The civil war in Syria was sparked by rising food prices due to Syria importing much of the basic food commodities it needs.

    Why did basic food commodities rise so much? Because the US shifted to burning food as fuel supported primarily by liberal democrat greenies.

    Liberal democrat greenies: you can't save the planet burning food and promoting toxic solar panels made in China.

    There may have been economic issues as well, but Syria's own citizens rose up against their government. That's why it's a civil war.

    Sorry, but you can't keep blaming Obama for everything.


    Did you NOT blame Bush for 'everything'? Don't like it? Then don't do it.

    No, I give him credit for beefing up the NSA.icon_twisted.gif
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    Jan 19, 2015 11:16 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    freedomisntfree said
    HottJoe said
    mx5guynj said
    HottJoe said
    StephenOABC saidTo understand the rise of ISIS, one has to understand the political vacuum that was created in Syria.

    The civil war in Syria was sparked by their leader's totalitarian regime, and specifically an attack on rural schoolchildren by the government. Sure, that created a political vacuum, but Assad kills and gases his own people. What can be done when someone like Hitler is in charge? You have to take them out.


    The civil war in Syria was sparked by rising food prices due to Syria importing much of the basic food commodities it needs.

    Why did basic food commodities rise so much? Because the US shifted to burning food as fuel supported primarily by liberal democrat greenies.

    Liberal democrat greenies: you can't save the planet burning food and promoting toxic solar panels made in China.

    There may have been economic issues as well, but Syria's own citizens rose up against their government. That's why it's a civil war.

    Sorry, but you can't keep blaming Obama for everything.


    Did you NOT blame Bush for 'everything'? Don't like it? Then don't do it.

    No, I give him credit for beefing up the NSA.icon_twisted.gif


    And nothing for creating the DHS?
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    Jan 20, 2015 12:40 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidthe French also invaded every friggin country in the Middle East, northern Africa and southeast Asia

    Au contraire. It was the Brits who took most of the Middle East and fobbed off the French with only Syria and Lebanon. Look up the Sykes-Picot Agreement.
    And French rule may have had its shortcomings but who wouldn't prefer the days when Beirut was the Paris of the East as compared to now. Also, the beheadings and explosions didn't start til after the French left.
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    Jan 20, 2015 1:07 AM GMT
    ^^ sorry man the French invaded and tried to colonize

    Algeria
    Tunisia
    Morocco
    Lebanon
    Syria
    Chad
    Congo
    Cameroon
    Niger
    Senegal
    Madagascar
    Laos
    Vietnam
    Cambodia
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    Jan 20, 2015 1:50 AM GMT
    The development of a divine-right theory of kingship, however, made blasphemy just as dangerous to monarchs as to the Church and insisted upon secular authorities' interest in the crime. By the eighteenth century, the strengthening of the sovereign's power had diminished the threat of the blasphemer to the community, and blasphemy became a private sin rather than a public menace.

    Nonetheless, the concept of blasphemous speech continued well after the emergence of a secular age. Enlightenment inquiries into religion destabilized the crime of blasphemy by demonstrating cultural differences in approaches to piety; by showing regional variation, writers such as Voltaire rejected blasphemy as a uniform idea. Not only did philosophers modify their positions, magistrates and justices also began to find new ways to justify repression that emphasized legal considerations over religious interpretations. The circumstances of the utterance began to take precedence over the proof of errant speech. The law began to emphasize social harmoniousness as a goal rather than use repression as a means to satisfy God's vengeance.

    http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/journal_of_social_history/summary/v037/37.1sigel.html
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    Jan 20, 2015 1:58 AM GMT
    Voltaire:

    Under French law the offence of blasphemy did not carry the death penalty. The legal ordinance of 1666 prescibes a fine for the first offence, double the fine for the second offence, and the pillory for the sixth offence.

    - from Voltaire, a Life

    Pillory is a wooden frame work for head and hands so the offender can be exposed to public abuse.

    Is that what Charlie Hebdo wanted?
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    Jan 20, 2015 2:02 AM GMT
    StephenOABC saidVoltaire:

    Under French law the offence of blasphemy did not carry the death penalty. The legal ordinance of 1666 prescibes a fine for the first offence, double the fine for the second offence, and the pillory for the sixth offence.

    - from Voltaire, a Life

    Pillory is a wooden frame work for head and hands so the offender can be exposed to public abuse.

    Is that what Charlie Hebdo wanted?

    The offense of blasphemy was abolished during the French Revolution.