24 hours with the Michigan tea party

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    Jan 19, 2015 10:41 AM GMT

    Michigan, home to many radicals icon_rolleyes.gif


    24 hours with the Michigan tea party
    http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/brian-dickerson/2015/01/18/tea-party-republicans-michigan/21898395/

    Ku Klux Klan permeated Michigan life in the 1920s
    http://lansingonlinenews.com/news/ku-klux-klan-permeated-michigan-life-in-the-1920s/

    Michigan Militia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Militia


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    Jan 19, 2015 3:28 PM GMT
    Interesting article on the TP, particularly for what it doesn't say. The KKK held sway in many states during the 1920s, particularly in IN, where it was HQed. But, your post left out mention of another, very real terrorist group in MI:

    http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/09/explosive-documentary-islamic-terrorist-camps-inside-the-u-s-is-there-one-near-you-video-2450752.html

    Si quaeris terram terroram, circumspice.

    GO BLUE!
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    Jan 19, 2015 3:50 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidInteresting article on the TP, particularly for what it doesn't say. The KKK held sway in many states during the 1920s, particularly in IN, where it was HQed. But, your post left out mention of another, very real terrorist group in MI:

    http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/09/explosive-documentary-islamic-terrorist-camps-inside-the-u-s-is-there-one-near-you-video-2450752.html

    Si quaeris terram terroram, circumspice.

    GO BLUE!


    @MGINSD

    That map is bullshit. I can make a map with dots and labels too:

    Des Moines, Iowa (Whites for Hitler),
    Baton Rogue, Louisiana (Aryan Brotherhood),
    Glendale, Arizona (KKK Headquarters)

    See how easy it is to completely FABRICATE "facts" when all you have to do is scream blanket-generalizations and never substantiate your assertions?
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    Jan 19, 2015 3:55 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    MGINSD saidInteresting article on the TP, particularly for what it doesn't say. The KKK held sway in many states during the 1920s, particularly in IN, where it was HQed. But, your post left out mention of another, very real terrorist group in MI:

    http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/09/explosive-documentary-islamic-terrorist-camps-inside-the-u-s-is-there-one-near-you-video-2450752.html

    Si quaeris terram terroram, circumspice.

    GO BLUE!


    @MGINSD

    That map is bullshit. I can make a map with dots and labels too:

    Des Moines, Iowa (Whites for Hitler),
    Baton Rogue, Louisiana (Aryan Brotherhood),
    Glendale, Arizona (KKK Headquarters)

    See how easy it is to completely FABRICATE "facts" when all you have to do is scream blanket-generalizations and never substantiate your assertions?


    Yes, yes, I'm sure you're entirely capable of coloring a map as you will; I suggest deep red for the UWS. But, the maps are only a small part of the story and the facts are there, and elsewhere, and have been for quite some time, for all who will see to see.
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 19, 2015 4:00 PM GMT
    @MGINSD

    I don't doubt that there ARE Muslim extremists and terrorist sympathizers in the USA, right now. And have been for decades.

    What I doubt is the alleged simplicity of that infographic (where, might I add, it asks for additional 'tips' in the 'comments' below). IF that infographic were real, the FBI or the state authorities, at least in some of those cases, would be ramming down the door, arresting persons inside, and sorting the "goodies" from the "badies" in court.

    But that's not happening. Because those aren't terror camps. Because it's not as simple as that infographic makes out.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 19, 2015 4:14 PM GMT
    24 hours with any "tea party" will certainly create the desire for me to relive the "Boston Tea Party" with those people and trash the scene.

    LOL

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  • Svnw688

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    Jan 19, 2015 4:36 PM GMT
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    Jan 19, 2015 4:37 PM GMT
    Trash it!

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  • Hypertrophile

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    Jan 19, 2015 5:40 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidInteresting article on the TP, particularly for what it doesn't say. The KKK held sway in many states during the 1920s, particularly in IN, where it was HQed. But, your post left out mention of another, very real terrorist group in MI:

    http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/09/explosive-documentary-islamic-terrorist-camps-inside-the-u-s-is-there-one-near-you-video-2450752.html

    Si quaeris terram terroram, circumspice.

    GO BLUE!


    Check the source on your map. He has been widely discredited.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Jan 19, 2015 5:44 PM GMT
    I love it when people say they support and defend the constitution, then promote things like this,

    "Among other things, Driscoll's (Convention of States Project) would like to establish term limits for members of Congress and Supreme Court justices, allow Congress to override unpopular Supreme Court rulings by a three-fifths vote..."
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    Jan 19, 2015 7:09 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said24 hours with any "tea party" will certainly create the desire for me to relive the "Boston Tea Party" with those people and trash the scene.

    LOL

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    Not to worry; TP meetings are notorious for their members' disgusting habit of "policing the area," i.e., cleaning up after themselves afterwards, with the usual result being that they generally leave their sites in better condition than they were before they got there, and I'm sure they'll clean up after you.

    As I said before, the map is only part of the story confirming that there are already Islamist training sites scattered around the US. Perhaps some of you who like them so much will go for a visit - if not a permanent stay.
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    Jan 19, 2015 7:17 PM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidI love it when people say they support and defend the constitution, then promote things like this,

    "Among other things, Driscoll's (Convention of States Project) would like to establish term limits for members of Congress and Supreme Court justices, allow Congress to override unpopular Supreme Court rulings by a three-fifths vote..."


    Under our constitution, any of those things, however improbable, are entirely possible using the amendment process. Article III, section 1 is in need of being rewritten, to deny federal judges at all levels the life tenure that some have come to abuse, whether willfully or thru the ageing process. As for overriding SCOTUS' unpopular decisions, that too is possible under our constitution, so there's nothing at all inconsistent with seeking those changes under that same constitution's amendment process. It's blurring the separation of powers and arrogating more powers unto himself, as Obama continues to do, that is a odds with the constitution, as SCOTUS will soon - and again - reconfirm. Just because you disagree w/ something doesn't mean it can't be done. Politics is, after all, "the art of the possible."
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 19, 2015 7:18 PM GMT
    @MGINSD

    Come on. Not everyone who disagrees with you (and your right-wing "website/blog") is a terrorist or a sympathizer.

    Stick with the facts, please. The map is elementary at best, at likely a crock of s*it, lest the authorities would be breaking their doors down.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Jan 19, 2015 7:45 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    Physiqueflex saidI love it when people say they support and defend the constitution, then promote things like this,

    "Among other things, Driscoll's (Convention of States Project) would like to establish term limits for members of Congress and Supreme Court justices, allow Congress to override unpopular Supreme Court rulings by a three-fifths vote..."


    Under our constitution, any of those things, however improbable, are entirely possible using the amendment process. Article III, section 1 is in need of being rewritten, to deny federal judges at all levels the life tenure that some have come to abuse, whether willfully or thru the ageing process. As for overriding SCOTUS' unpopular decisions, that too is possible under our constitution, so there's nothing at all inconsistent with seeking those changes under that same constitution's amendment process. It's blurring the separation of powers and arrogating more powers unto himself, as Obama continues to do, that is a odds with the constitution, as SCOTUS will soon - and again - reconfirm. Just because you disagree w/ something doesn't mean it can't be done. Politics is, after all, "the art of the possible."


    That's my point. It would take amendments that change the Constitution on a fundamental level. The changes to rules governing the Supreme Court would, for the time being, make abortion the only litmus test for any nominee, and completely politicize the Court in the future, more so than even now. This doesn't show much respect for our founding document at all.
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    Jan 19, 2015 8:04 PM GMT
    Here's another example of the Religion of Peace in action:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/islamic-state-throws-men-off-building-for-being-gay/

    Stop fixating on the map, guys. It's only part of the story and a small one at that, and all your magnificats can't diminish the facts. Same for backtracking on claims of constitutional inconsistency. Either that or say what you mean in the first place w/o diverting and then denying you wrote a sloppy post to begin with.
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    Jan 19, 2015 8:27 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidHere's another example of the Religion of Peace in action:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/islamic-state-throws-men-off-building-for-being-gay/

    Stop fixating on the map, guys. It's only part of the story and a small one at that, and all your magnificats can't diminish the facts. Same for backtracking on claims of constitutional inconsistency. Either that or say what you mean in the first place w/o diverting and then denying you wrote a sloppy post to begin with.


    I'm sorry but it appears that you are the one fixated, and trying to derail the thread.
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 19, 2015 8:32 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidHere's another example of the Religion of Peace in action:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/islamic-state-throws-men-off-building-for-being-gay/

    Stop fixating on the map, guys. It's only part of the story and a small one at that, and all your magnificats can't diminish the facts. Same for backtracking on claims of constitutional inconsistency. Either that or say what you mean in the first place w/o diverting and then denying you wrote a sloppy post to begin with.


    Because the Crusades never happened. Where, literally, 3 Million people died. All religion can have radical and fundamentalist sects, and all religion can be peaceful. There's no causative link between religion and violence, just correlation that tends to trend with increasing fundamentalism and extremism.

    So, really, what's your point?
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    Jan 19, 2015 8:44 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidBecause the Crusades never happened. Where, literally, 3 Million people died. All religion can have radical and fundamentalist sects, and all religion can be peaceful. There's no causative link between religion and violence, just correlation that tends to trend with increasing fundamentalism and extremism.

    So, really, what's your point?

    The Crusades happened centuries ago. Christianity underwent a reformation. While the Old Testament contains passages advocating violence, there are not groups invoking those passages today to justify violence to any extent.

    Causation vs correlation is difficult to prove because of the many variables. Nevertheless, the fact remains that the Islamic fundamentalists are invoking passages of the Koran that advocate violence. The relationship, be it causation or correlation, is quite clear.
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    Jan 19, 2015 9:36 PM GMT
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    Svnw688 saidBecause the Crusades never happened. Where, literally, 3 Million people died. All religion can have radical and fundamentalist sects, and all religion can be peaceful. There's no causative link between religion and violence, just correlation that tends to trend with increasing fundamentalism and extremism.

    So, really, what's your point?

    The Crusades happened centuries ago. Christianity underwent a reformation. While the Old Testament contains passages advocating violence, there are not groups invoking those passages today to justify violence to any extent.

    Causation vs correlation is difficult to prove because of the many variables. Nevertheless, the fact remains that the Islamic fundamentalists are invoking passages of the Koran that advocate violence. The relationship, be it causation or correlation, is quite clear.


    ^+1! Speak, biceps, for me!

    And, let's not forget that the Crusades began to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims, which had seized it and subjected its people to essential slavery, all in the name of Allah. If Islam hadn't done so, there'd have been no need for the Crusades. How's that for "causation?"
  • Hypertrophile

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    Jan 19, 2015 9:52 PM GMT
    I'm more concerned with extremists in the mainstream political parties than I am with religious extremists committing random acts of violence. The latter is a law enforcement issue. The former could have significant impact on the lives of most Americans.
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    Jan 19, 2015 10:15 PM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidI'm more concerned with extremists in the mainstream political parties than I am with religious extremists committing random acts of violence. The latter is a law enforcement issue. The former could have significant impact on the lives of most Americans.


    Unlike, say, the latter, who killed several thousand Americans on 9-11? And no, Timothy McVeigh was not an "extremist in a mainstream political party," though many of the OWS and MoveOn Demos might march under that banner.
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    Jan 19, 2015 10:19 PM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidI'm more concerned with extremists in the mainstream political parties than I am with religious extremists committing random acts of violence. The latter is a law enforcement issue. The former could have significant impact on the lives of most Americans.


    But what about MGINSD's "terroist" map from that website/blog? (clutches pearls) icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 19, 2015 10:30 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    Physiqueflex saidI'm more concerned with extremists in the mainstream political parties than I am with religious extremists committing random acts of violence. The latter is a law enforcement issue. The former could have significant impact on the lives of most Americans.


    Unlike, say, the latter, who killed several thousand Americans on 9-11? And no, Timothy McVeigh was not an "extremist in a mainstream political party," though many of the OWS and MoveOn Demos might march under that banner.


    The agenda of the extremists who are dividing the GOP will do far more long term damage to the nation.

    I'm not sure where this bit about McVeigh comes from. I never mentioned him, but since you did, I agree. He was a terrorist. It is the mainstream media and politicos who reserve that label for Muslims.
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    Physiqueflex saidI love it when people say they support and defend the constitution, then promote things like this,

    "Among other things, Driscoll's (Convention of States Project) would like to establish term limits for members of Congress and Supreme Court justices, allow Congress to override unpopular Supreme Court rulings by a three-fifths vote..."


    Under our constitution, any of those things, however improbable, are entirely possible using the amendment process. Article III, section 1 is in need of being rewritten, to deny federal judges at all levels the life tenure that some have come to abuse, whether willfully or thru the ageing process. As for overriding SCOTUS' unpopular decisions, that too is possible under our constitution, so there's nothing at all inconsistent with seeking those changes under that same constitution's amendment process. It's blurring the separation of powers and arrogating more powers unto himself, as Obama continues to do, that is a odds with the constitution, as SCOTUS will soon - and again - reconfirm. Just because you disagree w/ something doesn't mean it can't be done. Politics is, after all, "the art of the possible."


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