Lee Daniels Is Using 'Empire' To 'Blow The Lid Off' Homophobia In The Black Community

  • metta

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    Jan 22, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
    Lee Daniels Is Using 'Empire' To 'Blow The Lid Off' Homophobia In The Black Community.

    “Homophobia is rampant in the African American community, and men are on the DL," he said. "They don’t come out, because your priest says, your pastor says, mama says, your next-door neighbor says, your homie says, your brother says, your boss says [that homosexuality is wrong]. And they are killing African American women. They are killing our women. So I wanted to blow the lid off more on homophobia in my community.”


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/20/lee-daniels-empire-homophobia-black-_n_6507274.html
  • svteuro

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    Jan 23, 2015 8:07 PM GMT
    It's amazing how much hatred u have for EVERYTHING. I hope that getting help for your issues.

    pazzy saidicon_rolleyes.gif lee daniels should try to blow the lid off of homophobia period.

    also tired of folks making black people or the "black community" to be worse than everybody else. homophobia is a problem everywhere.

    i know a lot of gay folks love to do the whole black bashing as their favorite pasttime too then swear that they're not racist. i think it's hilarious that many gay folks care about the black community being extremely homophobic BUT yet could give a flying fuck about gay black people and go out their way to make us feel like shit. they expect us to turn on the same black community that we're apart in hopes of joining the same gay community that treats us bad too. so i don't get it. there's a lot of gay black men that are self hating where they don't like black people or would do anything to disassociate themselves with black people and etc. there's plenty of examples of that on this forum. they literally go the extra mile to the point where they put "mixed" or "native american" or some other shit instead of black, have nothing but white friends, refuse to mingle with other gay black people, and etc. they want to be validated by a white person whether it's one or a thousand as a way of saying they made it. let another black person who them down and they don't want that shit. think it's also sad how folks be on some shit where they fetishize white men instead of just dating folks based on just who they are.


    also hate how it seems like the gay community and fuck it, many white gay guys try to make the homophobia in the black community be about THEM and their interests when they aren't in the black community or don't want any parts of it to begin with except if it's to go vacationing in somewhere like jamaica.
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    Jan 23, 2015 8:10 PM GMT
    Goof luck to him,I guess
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    Jan 23, 2015 11:08 PM GMT
    I like the show. Cookie is a star and Jamal is cute.
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 24, 2015 12:19 AM GMT
    Awareness of truth/facts is generally always a positive, if not painful, thing. I support this effort. The status quo is certainly not the answer.
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    Jan 24, 2015 12:40 AM GMT
    Empire is well written, has a timeless plot, and actors and actress that can just down right act.

    If you haven't watched it, please do!
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    Jan 24, 2015 1:02 AM GMT
    I'll have to watch the show. I'm hoping that he uses the show to transform versus just reenacting the same negative part of the status quo we already know and hate. Would he really be "blowing the lid off" when people are well aware of how religious people, southerners, conservatives, certain minority groups including blacks feel towards gays and our lifestyle? To show the same stories of hate over and over again would be reductive.

    I'd hope he'd use his platform not just to show how awful things have been, but to also show how things should be and are evolving. Not all black people are "fag haters". I hope he shows that things are getting better in pockets of our community and that there are a lot of black people who are vocally supportive that you don't ever hear about on the news... People like my dad, my best buddy, my family and my black coworkers. There were quite a few prominent black celebrities and black athletes who were vocally supportive of Michael Sam for example. There is a lot more that needs to be done though.

    I wish him well.
  • Eli_jah

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    Jan 24, 2015 6:40 PM GMT
    The show is awful. Clichés followed by stereotypes. But kudos on the diversity I guess.
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 24, 2015 6:47 PM GMT
    I just read it's campier than Dynasty (and the critic meant that as a compliment). I have to watch this, I predict this will be my new everything:

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    Jan 24, 2015 6:49 PM GMT
    Great show! It got me hooked like almost immediately.

    Full episodes:
    http://www.fox.com/empire/empire/full-episodes
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 24, 2015 6:54 PM GMT
    @AMoonHawk, God bless you!

    I'm killing another 4 hours until my b/f is off work (he's a pilot, hence the weekend work icon_rolleyes.gif ). And I had Chiller's (a station/channel) Freddie horror movie marathon on. You've given me something better.

    You're doing the lord's work, the lord's work.

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    Jan 24, 2015 6:56 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said@AMoonHawk, God bless you!

    I'm killing another 4 hours until my b/f is off work (he's a pilot, hence the weekend work icon_rolleyes.gif ). And I had Chiller's (a station/channel) Freddie horror movie marathon on. You've given me something better.

    You're doing the lord's work, the lord's work.

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    LOL ... thanks!
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    Jan 24, 2015 10:47 PM GMT
    Mulignan saidThe show is awful. Clichés followed by stereotypes. But kudos on the diversity I guess.


    Watched the show myself and I didn't like it. It lacks substance. Yay for diversity.
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    Jan 25, 2015 1:35 AM GMT
    MaybeIfICould said
    Mulignan saidThe show is awful. Clichés followed by stereotypes. But kudos on the diversity I guess.


    Watched the show myself and I didn't like it. It lacks substance. Yay for diversity.

    Think of it as a Dynasty meets Scarface
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    Jan 25, 2015 5:25 AM GMT
    MaybeIfICould said
    Mulignan saidThe show is awful. Clichés followed by stereotypes. But kudos on the diversity I guess.


    Watched the show myself and I didn't like it. It lacks substance. Yay for diversity.



    What shows do you guys like?


    icon_cool.gif this should be fun.
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    Jan 25, 2015 4:44 PM GMT
    It is heartbreaking seeing people not appreciating a little effort made, so that the general public can understand oUr people, our community (LGBT). This is a steeping stone to a right direction. Instead of being ignored and belittled the show might give the ignorant insight to better understand us. That all im saying. Being african such shows would not be aired in other countries. But hey does who have dnt appreciate sad really.
  • ai82

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    Jan 25, 2015 4:57 PM GMT
    pazzy saidicon_rolleyes.gif lee daniels should try to blow the lid off of homophobia period.

    also tired of folks making black people or the "black community" to be worse than everybody else. homophobia is a problem everywhere.



    +1. If anything, hopefully a wide range of people will watch the show and see how homophobia can affect all people. Perhaps because of the casting more black people will watch and perhaps that may cause attitudes to change. I do like the show though.
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    Jan 25, 2015 7:04 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN said
    MaybeIfICould said
    Mulignan saidThe show is awful. Clichés followed by stereotypes. But kudos on the diversity I guess.


    Watched the show myself and I didn't like it. It lacks substance. Yay for diversity.



    What shows do you guys like?


    icon_cool.gif this should be fun.


    I often wonder about this myself. Good question icon_biggrin.gif
  • Eli_jah

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    Jan 25, 2015 8:01 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN said
    MaybeIfICould said
    Mulignan saidThe show is awful. Clichés followed by stereotypes. But kudos on the diversity I guess.


    Watched the show myself and I didn't like it. It lacks substance. Yay for diversity.



    What shows do you guys like?


    icon_cool.gif this should be fun.


    I watch Shameless, Scandal, The Sopranos, The Wire, Buffy, Nurse Jackie, Veep, and American Horror Story.

    Among others.
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    Jan 26, 2015 6:31 AM GMT
    Mulignan said
    DEKIRUMAN said
    MaybeIfICould said
    Mulignan saidThe show is awful. Clichés followed by stereotypes. But kudos on the diversity I guess.


    Watched the show myself and I didn't like it. It lacks substance. Yay for diversity.



    What shows do you guys like?


    icon_cool.gif this should be fun.


    Buffy,



    I think we're done here.
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    Jan 26, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN said
    Mulignan said
    DEKIRUMAN said
    MaybeIfICould said
    Mulignan saidThe show is awful. Clichés followed by stereotypes. But kudos on the diversity I guess.


    Watched the show myself and I didn't like it. It lacks substance. Yay for diversity.



    What shows do you guys like?


    icon_cool.gif this should be fun.


    Buffy,



    I think we're done here.


    Buffy is probably the most legendary cult show after Star Trek. You tried though.
  • Tig3r

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    Jan 26, 2015 8:08 PM GMT
    I respect everything that Lee Daniels is doing, personally.

    The African American community has been legendary for the amount of hatred towards the "Gay Community." Most of the hatred is very similar to how African Americans were treated decades ago, poor recognition and acceptance of the idea.

    Though, it is not just the African American community, there seems to be little push or movement towards the contribution for the acceptance of the LGBT culture. Where as other communities (White, Asian, Latino...not so much as Arab but different story for a different day), have taken greater strides in the acceptance of the "Gay" culture, the African American community represses the simple concept.

    Empire is one of hell of a show that showcases, some, stereotypical agendas for a certain demographic, but the show also brings up some very good points.
    1. Rap is an expression of anger and hatred.
    2. Money cannot buy happiness.
    3. Gay males are exactly the same as Straight males.
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    Jan 26, 2015 9:07 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN said
    MaybeIfICould said
    Mulignan saidThe show is awful. Clichés followed by stereotypes. But kudos on the diversity I guess.


    Watched the show myself and I didn't like it. It lacks substance. Yay for diversity.



    What shows do you guys like?


    icon_cool.gif this should be fun.


    I don't watch too much tv. However, I am hooked on Constantine. I recently started watching the X-Files on my Netflix account. It's a great show.
  • Eli_jah

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    Jan 28, 2015 8:49 PM GMT
    Tig3r saidI respect everything that Lee Daniels is doing, personally.

    The African American community has been legendary for the amount of hatred towards the "Gay Community." Most of the hatred is very similar to how African Americans were treated decades ago, poor recognition and acceptance of the idea.

    Though, it is not just the African American community, there seems to be little push or movement towards the contribution for the acceptance of the LGBT culture. Where as other communities (White, Asian, Latino...not so much as Arab but different story for a different day), have taken greater strides in the acceptance of the "Gay" culture, the African American community represses the simple concept.

    Empire is one of hell of a show that showcases, some, stereotypical agendas for a certain demographic, but the show also brings up some very good points.
    1. Rap is an expression of anger and hatred.
    2. Money cannot buy happiness.
    3. Gay males are exactly the same as Straight males.



    I can buy rap being an expression of anger/hatred but it was borne of hip hop which was supposed to be the exact opposite of that.

    Money can sure as hell buy "happiness", which is a false concept anyway. It sure can buy contentedness, stability, respect/admiration, sex, and even love in some cases, which is as close to happiness as you can get.

    Gay males are completely different from straight males.

    I get your point(s) but really this show is not breaking any ground. I remember a show with an all black cast about a music empire that aired on UPN back in 2004 but it was a giant FLOP. I think Empire is only getting attention because of it's HUGE ratings.
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    Jan 29, 2015 7:57 PM GMT
    I enjoy the show and set my dvr to it every week. The music is fun and catchy as well as the acting is great. I agree with @woodfordr and do hope they aren't reductive when it comes to displaying homophobia, be it acceptance from unlikely sources or a different reasoning behind the hatred.