What are the ratio's between tops, bottoms and vers?

  • NeuralShock

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    Jan 25, 2015 9:32 PM GMT
    I keep hearing there are like 30x bottoms for every top and now I am curious... is this true?

    I am lacking the experience to know if this is true, I myself am vers and I don't even know how many of those there are nor how desired they are. icon_redface.gif
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    Jan 25, 2015 10:01 PM GMT
    90% of statistics are fabricated on the spot*.



    *Yes, including mine.

  • Jan 25, 2015 11:12 PM GMT
    In my experience, I would have
    almost the exact opposite of you. I would say most guys I meet are tops. us bottoms, are far less than a number from what I can see. Imo
  • Webster666

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    Jan 25, 2015 11:32 PM GMT
    10% Tops
    10% Versatile
    80% Bottoms
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    Jan 25, 2015 11:48 PM GMT
    There are some local events at which gays are asked to self-identify by wearing colored-coded glow-stick bracelets. I haven't actually counted, nor have I been to one for a while, but the guys who have to buy the glow sticks must have a pretty good count. They seem to go roughly:

    20% "Top"
    10% "Bottom"
    65% "Versatile"
    5% Some odd combination that is difficult to interpret.

    It's supposed to facilitate hooking-up, I guess. However, in my experience, most of those "top" guys are utterly un-fuckable (As if...) and the rest get awfully "versatile" in a hurry, if the opportunity presents. Oh yeah, and most of the "versatile" ones seem to be "versatile bottoms."

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    Jan 26, 2015 3:06 AM GMT
    I certainly met more guys that were ¨exclusive bottoms¨ than men that were ¨exclusive tops¨. I think the statics are very clear just by taking a look at this website and its members.

    So Id say:

    10% top
    50% bottom
    40% versatile

    Also many vers are tops because thats their chance of getting sex, but they would prefer to bottom if they could choose. That has to be taken into account..
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    Jan 26, 2015 3:31 AM GMT
    David3K saidI certainly met more guys that were ¨exclusive bottoms¨ than men that were ¨exclusive tops¨. I think the statics are very clear just by taking a look at this website and its members.

    So Id say:

    10% top
    60% bottom
    40% versatile

    Also many vers are tops because thats their chance of getting sex, but they would prefer to bottom if they could choose. That has to be taken into account..



    110%? icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 26, 2015 3:51 AM GMT
    33/33/33% top/vers/bottom. there's something out there for everyone.
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    Jan 26, 2015 3:55 AM GMT
    Tops aren't always tops. They'll flip for the right guy. Or if you get them drunk enough. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 26, 2015 4:06 AM GMT
    Hey don't forget "neither" also. Though it's a small percentage but don't leave us out. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Jan 26, 2015 4:40 AM GMT
    willular said33/33/33% top/vers/bottom. there's something out there for everyone.

    yeah in a perfect utopian world
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    Jan 26, 2015 4:47 AM GMT
    willular said33/33/33% top/vers/bottom. there's something out there for everyone.


    That's 99%. So the 1% must be asexual?
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    Jan 26, 2015 4:51 AM GMT
    polfsky said
    willular said33/33/33% top/vers/bottom. there's something out there for everyone.


    That's 99%. So the 1% must be asexual?

    1% = frot
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    Jan 26, 2015 4:53 AM GMT
    xrichx said
    polfsky said
    willular said33/33/33% top/vers/bottom. there's something out there for everyone.


    That's 99%. So the 1% must be asexual?

    1% = frot


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  • helloandgoodb...

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    Jan 26, 2015 2:11 PM GMT
    I just did a round of searches of the men in my town on A4A and there was a pretty even distribution between

    TOP
    BOTTOM
    VERS/TOP
    VERS/BOTTOM

    with VERS being about twice the number of each the others category

    ...thus, my unscientific survey declares it's about even in general.
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    Jan 26, 2015 2:44 PM GMT
    polfsky said
    willular said33/33/33% top/vers/bottom. there's something out there for everyone.


    That's 99%. So the 1% must be asexual?


    +/- 1% for error icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 26, 2015 3:23 PM GMT
    50/50. Don't care and find it curious others do ;P
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    Jan 26, 2015 4:18 PM GMT
    Total top: a guy who sucks dick, just not yours.

    Being fair-minded, God made the ratio 50/50, but that's since been skewed by humanity, or the lack of it, to look like there are more bottoms than tops because some guys are neither, merely shamed into bottoming for their rapists rock hard tops while themselves remaining flaccid. What some guys won't do to keep their man. Compromise can be so compromising.

    So to get a more accurate representation of the ratio, you have to discount tops-that-suck-dick-just-not-yours, and so-called bottoms who don't even get hard while getting fucked. Who lets themselves get fucked when it doesn't even turn you on. Tops will tell you if you don't get hard to penetrate, that makes you a bottom but, boy, that really is getting fucked because that's just bullshit.

    And then there's the perception of any of it. Power bottoms screw both tops and the ratio because the act of topping or bottoming fails to accurately describe what's actually occurred. So if the guy being penetrated initiates and forces the event is he really the bottom?

    And even when it seems one is topping and one is bottoming, even when the top seems more aggressive, how do you know he wasn't manipulated by the bottom into those actions? And during the event, how do you know which guy has what fantasy.

    For instance, even the innocuous blowjob can be fraught with mutual deceptions incompatible perceptions and projections that neither might be aware of or have admitted. Why ruin the fantasy? The "top" thinking he's dominating the "bottom" by penetrating. The "bottom" thinking he's topping because the guy he's sucking is on his back, on the bottom, all of which makes the top a fucking cock sucker.

    It's all very complicated and difficult to define because you have to know not just observable action but also the thoughts which you can not see but might be shared intimately.

    we'll travel the road sharin' our load side by side
  • rnch

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    Jan 26, 2015 4:56 PM GMT
    Ideally the ratio would be 50/50.

    When I was a horny "Total Top" there appeared to be a shortage of desirable bottom guys.

    Now that various medications have taken their toll on me and my last bf helped to make me a comfortable-with-it bottom, the shortage of desirable top guys is haunting me.

    Quoting the "Rolling Stones" song lyrics: "you can't always get what you waaa-aaant....."

    It seems like the younger guys of today are not as much into the top/bottom issue as my generation was?





  • FRE0

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    Jan 26, 2015 7:10 PM GMT
    polfsky saidHey don't forget "neither" also. Though it's a small percentage but don't leave us out. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    ^^^ Good point. ^^^

    Why do people insist on thinking in terms of top vs bottom? That implies that anal sex is the only thing there is but in actual fact, until after the late 1970s, anal sex was not very popular.
  • Beeftastic

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    Jan 26, 2015 11:24 PM GMT
    I think this topic is better explained with a Venn diagram icon_smile.gif

    My Experience:
    Vers/bottoms + Bottoms = 50%
    Vers:30%
    Tops: 20%

    There are a lot of big-dicked guys that say they are vers/top or top because they never get to bottom. Because the minute most guys see their dick they want them to top. I run into a fair amount of those guys, and they are very eager to be bottom for a change icon_smile.gif

    Then there are those guys that say they are big mean tops, but the minute you touch their b-hole they flip right over to bottom lol. Those guys irritate me, because I think they are being less than honest with themselves about who they are and what they present to the world. But I'll do them, if they are hot enough.

    I'm a top, but I don't stick to that rigidly depending on how an encounter goes. It's just that bottoming is usually not what gets me off. But if it gets HIM off then that's just fine.

    But given all that I find myself crushing on guys that flag top more often than bottoms. Not because they are tops, just their looks etc.
  • oziguy

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    Jan 27, 2015 12:06 AM GMT
    This whole thread, though interesting, is of no use whatsoever since all posters seem to be commenting from personal experience.
    Does anyone know of any proper scientific study where the results indicate an answer to the the question?
    And even if there was, I doubt that the results would be reliable.
  • FRE0

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    Jan 27, 2015 12:34 AM GMT
    oziguy saidThis whole thread, though interesting, is of no use whatsoever since all posters seem to be commenting from personal experience.
    Does anyone know of any proper scientific study where the results indicate an answer to the the question?
    And even if there was, I doubt that the results would be reliable.


    I do not know of any reliable statistics for the current situation. However, in the 1970s, there was reasonably reliable information available.

    The "Advocate" used to have a personals section which guys used to find partners. The advertisements were very specific about what was wanted. Here are the abbreviations used:

    FA = French active, i.e., gives oral
    FP = French passive, i.e., receives oral
    GA = Greek active, i.e., anal top
    GP = Greek passive, i.e., anal bottom
    V = versatile, i.e., anything goes
    FA-FP
    GA-GP
    etc.

    From the advertisements, one could estimate which actions were most popular. It was obvious that oral was very popular and that anal was not very popular. Many gay men wanted nothing to do with anal sex. It would seem that there has been a change since the 1970s because now guys talk about top vs bottom which implies anal sex.

    It is not clear what has caused the change. However, since the change has occurred, it probably is not the result of in-built proclivities; it is more likely a response to what gay men think is expected of them.
  • Webster666

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    Jan 27, 2015 12:45 AM GMT
    Versatile Bottom = Bottom
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    Jan 27, 2015 2:33 AM GMT
    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J056v12n03_03#.VMbyZo10w5s
    Journal of Psychology & Human Sexuality Volume 12, Issue 3, 2000
    Top/Bottom Self-Label, Anal Sex Practices, HIV Risk and Gender Role Identity in Gay Men in New York City

    Within the gay community, labeling oneself as a “top” or as a “bottom” communicates preferences for insertive or receptive sexual practices. The use of these terms and their relevance to the HIV/AIDS pandemic have received little attention in the scientific literature. The current exploratory study examines both qualitatively and quantitatively the use of top/bottom self-labels and their relation to gender role identity, sexual behavior, and HIV risk. Results revealed that nearly half of the 84 participating men used a self-label to describe their genitoerotic preferences. However, the rate of self-labeling decreased significantly over the five-year study period. Results also revealed that self-label corresponded to anal sex practices, such that tops engaged in more insertive anal sex than bottoms, and bottoms in more receptive anal sex than tops. Further, top/bottom labelers were more dichotomous in their anal sex practices than men who did not use a label. Labeling was also related to HIV status; bottoms were significantly more likely to be HIV+ than tops. The relationship between labeling and gender role interests and behaviors in childhood and adulthood were negligible. We conclude that labeling oneself as a top or a bottom continues to be a common practice among gay men in NYC to communicate preferences for insertive or receptive anal sex and that these labels can be used with caution to predict sexual behavior in the subset of gay men who use them.