East Coast prepares for ‘crippling and potentially historic blizzard’ on Monday

  • metta

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    Jan 26, 2015 1:31 AM GMT
    East Coast prepares for ‘crippling and potentially historic blizzard’ on Monday

    'swath of the U.S. East Coast from Philadelphia to New York City to Maine was bracing for a potentially historic blizzard on Monday that is expected to dump as much as 3 feet (90 cm) of snow and snarl transportation for tens of millions of people.

    The National Weather Service on Sunday issued a blizzard warning for the northern section of the East Coast from Monday afternoon until Tuesday and placed states from New Jersey to Indiana under winter storm watches and advisories.'

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/east-coast-prepares-for-crippling-and-potentially-historic-blizzard-on-monday/
  • BAHBAA

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    Jan 26, 2015 2:43 PM GMT
    Oh please they think every snowfall is historic icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 26, 2015 3:06 PM GMT
    to bad NYC is experiencing the Mother of Snow Storms keep in mind its 70 degrees here bitch.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 26, 2015 4:32 PM GMT
    It seems like New York been one of the hardest hit states by climate change yet.icon_sad.gif
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 26, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
    BAHBAA saidOh please they think every snowfall is historic icon_rolleyes.gif


    No. I've lived in NYC the past 6 years, and they do NOT cry wolf. Yes they tend to a hold a "press conference" for every snowfall expected to exceed 6 or 7 inches, but they don't overblow it. THIS is and will be a HUGE storm. Literally, historic. Objectively, historic.

    I flew out of NYC Sunday night in anticipation of this storm to go ahead and visit family, and I don't fly back in until Thursday evening (I only had one unimportant court hearing and I already worked out a continuance on that). While I love the excitement of big storms (snow/hurricane), I hate dealing with the after effects. And NYC isn't fun during disasters. Even if you have power and survive, bars are closed or non-patroned. Same with restaurants. And any New Yorker can tell you that in the best conditions, we debate whether or not to travel more than a few avenues. Nobody's "paying visits" to friends in this slushy soup. It's boring. Best to get out IF your work permits.

    For perspective, I was stuck in the December 2010 snowstorm, and it was horrible. ATMs didn't have money or were offline. You could NOT get a taxi, the few that ran were charging hundreds of dollars (completely ILLEGAL). I had to, literally, barter a gold ring to get a lift from a "taxi" (it was a black car gypsy cab illegally operating, but when it's dark, you're in New Jersey, and wet and have been standing in snow for 2 hours you'll do anything to survive) across the Lincoln tunnel INTO New York (PATH trains were short-circuited and nonfunctional). And you can't "walk" in the tunnel. Though NYC subways were "operational," SEVERAL stations were non-operational, in particular, the ones I needed on the 4/6 line. It was horrible. My commute that should have taken an hour at most, was a 7 hour saga of trying to get home in a crippled city. The next day, everything was perfectly normal. The crews are THAT good.


    What's going to be interesting is UBER and it's "surge" pricing. In Decemeber 2010 there were merely allegations from people about the hundred dollar fares (I was quoted 200, 250, and wound up giving a gold class ring I paid 400 for). UBER documents the fares charged. Expect to see more BAD publicity for UBER when stranded New Yorkers are charged hundreds of dollars for an otherwise 15 dollar raxi ride.

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  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 26, 2015 10:55 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidIt seems like New York been one of the hardest hit states by climate change yet.icon_sad.gif
    What climate changeicon_question.gif You don't know what the hell you are talking about. We have had a relatively normal winter in the empire state for the most part despite the frigid cold earlier this month and the unusually mild December. But otherwise nothing unusual about our New York winter this year.
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 26, 2015 11:03 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe saidIt seems like New York been one of the hardest hit states by climate change yet.icon_sad.gif
    What climate changeicon_question.gif You don't know what the hell you are talking about. We have had a relatively normal winter in the empire state for the most part despite the frigid cold earlier this month and the unusually mild December. But otherwise nothing unusual about our New York winter this year.


    The winter in NY true. But EVERY year is another record breaking "warmest year" since records have been kept. Global climate change, many scientists postulate, can EXAGGERATE conditions. California has always had droughts, the south tornadoes, and the NE snowstorms. But the storms are, increasingly and increasingly, EVERY YEAR, becoming the "Storm of the century." Something is out of whack. This is not normal.
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    Jan 26, 2015 11:05 PM GMT
    Another reason to be thankful living in SoCal. icon_biggrin.gif
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 26, 2015 11:06 PM GMT
    Just heard NYC is closing the subway, 6,600 flights cancelled to date, you can't be on the street past 11PM (misdemeanor), and most bars/restaurants are closed tonight, including all Broadway shows.

    This is going to get bad for the Tri-State area. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 26, 2015 11:10 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe saidIt seems like New York been one of the hardest hit states by climate change yet.icon_sad.gif
    What climate changeicon_question.gif You don't know what the hell you are talking about. We have had a relatively normal winter in the empire state for the most part despite the frigid cold earlier this month and the unusually mild December. But otherwise nothing unusual about our New York winter this year.


    The winter in NY true. But EVERY year is another record breaking "warmest year" since records have been kept. Global climate change, many scientists postulate, can EXAGGERATE conditions. California has always had droughts, the south tornadoes, and the NE snowstorms. But the storms are, increasingly and increasingly, EVERY YEAR, becoming the "Storm of the century." Something is out of whack. This is not normal.
    Please keep in mind that climates do have a natural tendency to change as time goes on. Certain years are quite calm and than another group of years can be a period of unusually active and stormy weather. I am not totally dismissing man's role in climate change, it is just that it is a small percentage of the problem at hand. There are other powerful forces at work, one has to do with how the Sun's rays strike the surface of the Earth.
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 26, 2015 11:17 PM GMT
    @RoadBikeRob

    I hear you. Climates do naturally ebb and flow, changing and then changing back. I get that. I think the rub is that (1) most agree climates naturally change, (2) most agree man-made climate change is having 'some' appreciable effect, and (3) nobody can accurately determine the degree to which each is at play.

    Climate change deniers scream "natural climate change," climate change enthusiasts scream "unprecedented storms, record temperatures, etc."

    All I can say is that from my brief 30 years on this world, I have seen REALLY hot summers in Tulsa and NYC that I've never felt before. I've also seen tornado outbreaks in the South that are unprecedented. And I've been slammed by "Storm of the century" storms in NE too many times for that phrase to hold water. No one event can "prove" climate change. But I'm seeing, what I prefer to call, an undeniable pattern emerging.

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    Jan 27, 2015 12:08 AM GMT
    Love the snow! Bring it on!
  • metta

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    Jan 27, 2015 1:02 AM GMT
    LAXWill10 saidAnother reason to be thankful living in SoCal. icon_biggrin.gif


    It is raining here is Southern California today. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 27, 2015 1:13 AM GMT
    No biggie for New Yorkers we are a tough bunch.Good day to stuff your face, and fuck icon_smile.gif....and sleep lol
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    Jan 27, 2015 1:15 AM GMT
    No biggie for New Yorkers we are a tough bunch.Good day to stuff your face, and fuck icon_smile.gif....and sleep lol
  • rnch

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    Jan 27, 2015 1:23 AM GMT
    Somehow I suspect that some people in the northeast, who complained about FEMA aid to the post-Katrina survivors, might "change their tune" by Wednesday?
  • metta

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    Jan 27, 2015 1:44 AM GMT
    The Climate Science Behind New England’s Historic Blizzard

    "Another epic blizzard is bearing down on New England. There is a “big part” played by “human-induced climate change,” especially warming-fueled ocean temperatures, according to Dr. Kevin Trenberth, former head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research."


    "The number 1 cause of this is that it is winter. In winter it is cold over the continent. But it is warm over the oceans and the contrast between the cold continent and the warm Gulf Stream and surrounding waters is increasing. At present sea surface temperatures are more the 2F above normal over huge expanses (1000 miles) off the east coast and water vapor in the atmosphere is about 10% higher as a result. About half of this can be attributed to climate change."

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/26/3615330/blizzards-climate-scientists/
  • tj85016

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    Jan 27, 2015 2:08 AM GMT
    lol 2500 asshole reporters outside covering ..... snow
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    Jan 27, 2015 4:43 AM GMT
    Guarantee most cities will significantly downgrade estimates by morning. The 3 feet predicted for NYC will be 11 inches.
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 27, 2015 5:04 AM GMT
    woodfordr saidGuarantee most cities will significantly downgrade estimates by morning. The 3 feet predicted for NYC will be 11 inches.


    Agreed, in fact, I think they already downgraded NYC to 12 inches, with a range of 4 inches either direction.

    But let's be fair, it WILL wallop some areas with 2 to 3 feet, and that sucks. Also, I'm 100% satisfied with my evacuation plan and escape from NYC to family/home. From what I can tell by Facebook posts and text messages, it's a boring night because (1) everything is closed, (2)) there are no taxis/subways, (3) you cannot order seamlessweb (food), (4) you cannot go out to the club/bar, (5) and it's a civil infraction to be on the street (subject to a $300 dollar fine!). I'll go back in a few days.
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    Jan 27, 2015 5:09 AM GMT
    BAHBAA saidOh please they think every snowfall is historic icon_rolleyes.gif


    lol

    suffer or if you can get out...visit us out west for drinks and #SB49 on the patio!
    YES!!
  • BAHBAA

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    Jan 27, 2015 5:37 AM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    BAHBAA saidOh please they think every snowfall is historic icon_rolleyes.gif


    No. I've lived in NYC the past 6 years, and they do NOT cry wolf. Yes they tend to a hold a "press conference" for every snowfall expected to exceed 6 or 7 inches, but they don't overblow it. THIS is and will be a HUGE storm. Literally, historic. Objectively, historic.

    I flew out of NYC Sunday night in anticipation of this storm to go ahead and visit family, and I don't fly back in until Thursday evening (I only had one unimportant court hearing and I already worked out a continuance on that). While I love the excitement of big storms (snow/hurricane), I hate dealing with the after effects. And NYC isn't fun during disasters. Even if you have power and survive, bars are closed or non-patroned. Same with restaurants. And any New Yorker can tell you that in the best conditions, we debate whether or not to travel more than a few avenues. Nobody's "paying visits" to friends in this slushy soup. It's boring. Best to get out IF your work permits.

    For perspective, I was stuck in the December 2010 snowstorm, and it was horrible. ATMs didn't have money or were offline. You could NOT get a taxi, the few that ran were charging hundreds of dollars (completely ILLEGAL). I had to, literally, barter a gold ring to get a lift from a "taxi" (it was a black car gypsy cab illegally operating, but when it's dark, you're in New Jersey, and wet and have been standing in snow for 2 hours you'll do anything to survive) across the Lincoln tunnel INTO New York (PATH trains were short-circuited and nonfunctional). And you can't "walk" in the tunnel. Though NYC subways were "operational," SEVERAL stations were non-operational, in particular, the ones I needed on the 4/6 line. It was horrible. My commute that should have taken an hour at most, was a 7 hour saga of trying to get home in a crippled city. The next day, everything was perfectly normal. The crews are THAT good.


    What's going to be interesting is UBER and it's "surge" pricing. In Decemeber 2010 there were merely allegations from people about the hundred dollar fares (I was quoted 200, 250, and wound up giving a gold class ring I paid 400 for). UBER documents the fares charged. Expect to see more BAD publicity for UBER when stranded New Yorkers are charged hundreds of dollars for an otherwise 15 dollar raxi ride.

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    lol you clearly haven't spent enough time in the NE. It snows a couple feet every few years but thats the price we pay for living here. Its inconvenient for a day and then its back to normal. quit being dramatic.
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 27, 2015 6:42 AM GMT
    @BahBaa

    I evacuated when hurricanes ran up toward Miami too. I'm an equal opportunity flee-er. Here's the deal.

    (1). I enjoy visiting family/friends a few days every couple months.

    (2). If a storm is coming, why not choose that time to do the visit?

    I'm not afraid of dying in a snowstorm or hurricane. It's a quality of life factor. I don't like being in places when I can't order food (seamlessweb), visit friends (subway closed, misdemeanor to be on the street), or party at the club/bar (all closed or unpatroned, plus lack of taxis and illegality of being 'outside'). I have no inclination to sit in my apartment and eat leftovers while NY has a nanny state hissy fit. That's boring to me. I think they cancelled LGA and the other major airports too, and Amtrack is down. That's hella lame. Literally, no escape.

    I could see if I was a "snow bird" and left for the entire freakin' winter. I don't think a 4 day hiatus is that dramatic.

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    Jan 27, 2015 7:41 AM GMT
    Meanwhile, here in Oregon, nice and clear, temperatures soared today to a high around 62. Balmy, and really unusual for late January. It's been just a strangely dry winter for us too. Not that I'm complaining. Oregon is gonna be the new California. Can't wait for palm trees to just start sprouting all over the place. icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 27, 2015 12:22 PM GMT
    woodfordr saidGuarantee most cities will significantly downgrade estimates by morning. The 3 feet predicted for NYC will be 11 inches.


    Andhen some! Lucky to get a half foot - a traditional dump in the winter. Philly we have maybe 3 inches this morning and it has stopped snowing. A bomb of a different sort for this "Blizzard of 2015" in these quarters though the SE New England area getting hit pretty bad.