Steroid thread

  • vhotti26

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    Jan 27, 2015 12:49 PM GMT
    Ok guys, let's face it - steroids are huge in the gay community. It's just a fact. Steroid use is 6 times higher among gays than among straight dudes.

    It's also a rather unpleasant fact that most young guys go ride the bicycle without having the slightest clue about it. I have seen threads on here about side effects and then it turned out they didn't even use an aromatase inhibitor.

    Most steroids are absolutely safe to use if, and only if, used correctly and responsibly. Unfortunately, that's exactly what a lot of people DON'T do. They have no idea how to dose the stuff, don't know how to prevent and treat sides and generally have pretty dumb expectations about the results.

    I have a good deal of personal experience with the most common steroids and have opened this thread to offer advice and help for guys who want to go on a cycle but have no idea about the stuff.
    A stranger is unlikely to change anyones decision about doing juice, so I won't try to dissuade you. But I think it's better to offer assistance rather than letting guys screw themselves up. You can post here or write me a PM.

    What I will not do:
    1) Tell you where to get steroids. You'll have to find out yourself.
    2) Tell you what cycle you should run. I will however assess a self designed cycle for you and help you improve/repair it if something is missing.
    3) Advertise orals. Some orals like Dianabol are very popular as a kickstarter these days, and I will definitely not lobby for orals - they are dangerous and should be omitted.
    4) Prohormones. Just no.
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    Jan 28, 2015 8:23 AM GMT
    Steroids are dumb and really shouldn't be used.

    Beyond the health risks of improper use, they can't possibly be cheap to get. Why? Because they're on the black market. Who in their right minds would dish out hundreds of dollars for that stuff when they could just save money and work out in the gym and eat a nutritious diet instead?
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    Jan 28, 2015 9:03 AM GMT
    Scotticvs saidSteroids are dumb and really shouldn't be used.

    Beyond the health risks of improper use, they can't possibly be cheap to get. Why? Because they're on the black market. Who in their right minds would dish out hundreds of dollars for that stuff when they could just save money and work out in the gym and eat a nutritious diet instead?

    Thousands of young gay guys are already doing it. It isn't as uncommon as you are trying to make it sound. If you do an anonymous poll here, you'll find many of the guys on this website have done it or do it.
    In no way I am recommending the use of steroids, but you need to understand what OP is looking for.
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    Jan 28, 2015 9:19 AM GMT
    You're going to get a hell of a lot of

    on this but, yeah, whether legally or illegally obtained, it is quite prevalent.
  • NeuralShock

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    Jan 28, 2015 5:18 PM GMT
    I've been natty my entire time but honestly I am SO AMAZINGLY TEMPTED to start using steroids.

    Like seriously when I am finished university I actually think I will start.

    Just they're so bloody expensive.... icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 28, 2015 6:10 PM GMT
    ^

    Steroids will be of no benefit to you if you can't fix your diet.
  • NeuralShock

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    Jan 28, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
    bachian said^

    Steroids will be of no benefit to you if you can't fix your diet.

    My diet is pretty solid, not that I am eating steak or anything icon_razz.gif

    But yeah... I'm eating a lot of good stuff.
  • Kovyn

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    Jan 28, 2015 7:16 PM GMT
    Opinion on the following?

    Your first cycle will produce the best gains of your life because of the introduction to synthetics (similar to first time gym goers). Therefore, stack! (e.g. dbol+test).
    VS.
    Your first cycle should consist of only test so you can determine the side effects unique to your body before moving onto stacks.
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    Jan 28, 2015 7:41 PM GMT
    NeuralShock said
    bachian said^

    Steroids will be of no benefit to you if you can't fix your diet.

    My diet is pretty solid, not that I am eating steak or anything icon_razz.gif

    But yeah... I'm eating a lot of good stuff.


    So your 90kg are lean? What is your body fat?
  • vhotti26

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    Jan 28, 2015 8:23 PM GMT
    Kovyn saidOpinion on the following?

    Your first cycle will produce the best gains of your life because of the introduction to synthetics (similar to first time gym goers). Therefore, stack! (e.g. dbol+test).
    VS.
    Your first cycle should consist of only test so you can determine the side effects unique to your body before moving onto stacks.


    Definitely testosterone only. Steroids use potentially yields a variety of serious side effects that need to be treated individually, and you definitely need to know where they come from or you cannot react well to them.

    First cylce: Test only! No other compounds! On subsequent cycles, never add more than one new compound at a time.
    We are talking something that can potentially wreak havoc with your body, so better safe than sorry.
    By using practices like front loading, it's not even necessary to sacrifice gains by using test only.

    bachian said

    So your 90kg are lean? What is your body fat?


    Being at the natural maximum before starting steroids is something of a romanticized view on the matter, almost nobody does it and it's not necessary to use them safely either.
    Sure, to retain gains you need to know how to eat and train, you should have established mind-muscle connection at the very least. But there is no need to be a beast already.

    What's true though is that you should be lean. Rule of thumb: If you can't see your abs, don't do steroids. Excess body fat can increase the estrogenic side effects and you really don't want that.
  • Kovyn

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    Jan 28, 2015 8:53 PM GMT
    vhotti26 said
    Kovyn saidOpinion on the following?

    Your first cycle will produce the best gains of your life because of the introduction to synthetics (similar to first time gym goers). Therefore, stack! (e.g. dbol+test).
    VS.
    Your first cycle should consist of only test so you can determine the side effects unique to your body before moving onto stacks.


    Definitely testosterone only. Steroids use potentially yields a variety of serious side effects that need to be treated individually, and you definitely need to know where they come from or you cannot react well to them.

    First cylce: Test only! No other compounds! On subsequent cycles, never add more than one new compound at a time.
    We are talking something that can potentially wreak havoc with your body, so better safe than sorry.
    By using practices like front loading, it's not even necessary to sacrifice gains by using test only.


    In response to that, many people would argue that test only cycles are a waste of money because your gains are minimal after pct. We've come a long way since the 50's and we are able to recognize side effects early on and treat accordingly. Your thoughts?
  • vhotti26

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    Jan 28, 2015 9:07 PM GMT
    Kovyn said

    In response to that, many people would argue that test only cycles are a waste of money because your gains are minimal after pct.


    If they'd argue that way it would only prove they don't know what they are talking about. If you can't retain most of your lean mass gains after a cycle and through at least PCT, it's due to one of the following reasons:

    1) Crappy diet & training
    2) Crappy PCT. Probably due to the common mistake of using Nolvadex and Clomid together - science shows they cancel each other out to some extent.

    Kovyn saidWe've come a long way since the 50's and we are able to recognize side effects early on and treat accordingly. Your thoughts?


    Who is 'we'? Did you personally come a long way since then? Because it's probably you and you alone figuring out your side effects.
  • Kovyn

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    Jan 28, 2015 10:01 PM GMT
    Well this was a bust.

    Based on your generalized answers, this topic is beyond your knowledge and anyone thinking of cycling should not be asking question here, especially if they have "no idea about the stuff". Leave it to the professional websites dedicated to steroids where the people giving advise have science degrees and compete at a national level. This is not the place man. Why would you even make a post like this except to brag that you've read a few articles and run some cycles?
  • vhotti26

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    Jan 28, 2015 11:03 PM GMT
    Don't know whether to laugh or cry. Just stay out of the thread in the future. Your last sentence alone shows what an immature character you are.
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    Jan 29, 2015 9:24 PM GMT
    Steroids hurt me . I was using prolonged cycles with only weeks in between cycles . My liver is hurt , I'm producing no test right now , I'm a walking vagina icon_sad.gif