The Mormon Church Comes Out In Favor Of LGBT Rights -- Kind Of

  • metta

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    Jan 27, 2015 8:07 PM GMT
    The Mormon Church Comes Out In Favor Of LGBT Rights -- Kind Of

    "The church is promising to support some housing and job protections for gays and lesbians in exchange for legal protections for believers who object to the behavior of others."


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/27/mormon-lgbt-rights_n_6556230.html
  • metta

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    Jan 27, 2015 8:09 PM GMT
    Mormon 'Compromise' on LGBT Rights Is a Poison Pill



    http://www.bilerico.com/2015/01/mormon_compromise_on_lgbt_rights_is_a_poison_pill.php
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    Jan 27, 2015 10:08 PM GMT
    Indoctrinating GLBT bigotry would be a slippery slope, and a fast one!

    Anyone who'd claim to be 'religious' could discriminate legally. Fuck that.
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 27, 2015 10:43 PM GMT
    Poison pill indeed. They see their inevitable LOSS and are trying to salvage what little victory they can from the situation.

    REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED COLD. Cut them no slack and give up no ground legally. We won, they lost. NO SETTLEMENT.

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    Jan 27, 2015 11:14 PM GMT
    I have an even better compromise. How about we get all our human rights endowed along with the protections that come with that and in return the Mormon Church can go fuck itself.

    It should come as no surprise that we want our rights just how we like our sex: NSA

    No strings attached.

    Surely they've already heard the rumors.

    Their proposal is outrageous and reveals how slimy they are. That they would only do what is right if they think they're getting something out of it. Fuck them.
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    Jan 28, 2015 12:32 AM GMT
    Why don't we all just decide to be heterosexual since Obama says being gay is a "lifestyle choice":

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/23/obama-says-homosexuality-is-a-lifestyle-choice/
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    Jan 28, 2015 3:13 AM GMT
    In my short time of studying human behavior, if you force someone to think or do a certain action then you only cause resentment.

    I do think religious should have some freedoms that go against their core beliefs. (Perhaps it comes from my up bringing and study of history).

    I know that I am in the minority, but we do allow for minority rights within our country. Even if we haven't always protected them as a country. I guess it is a lesson we as a group should remember.
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    Jan 28, 2015 3:44 AM GMT
    This article pretty much nails it:

    http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/on-discrimination-the-mormon-church-gives-and-takes-away/?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-top-span-region&region=c-column-top-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region
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    Jan 28, 2015 4:26 AM GMT
    flatstate2010 saidIn my short time of studying human behavior, if you force someone to think or do a certain action then you only cause resentment.

    I do think religious should have some freedoms that go against their core beliefs. (Perhaps it comes from my up bringing and study of history).

    I know that I am in the minority, but we do allow for minority rights within our country. Even if we haven't always protected them as a country. I guess it is a lesson we as a group should remember.


    Of course you cause resentment in SOME, but you also force CHANGE (in varying degrees) in others.

    When they FORCED interracial marriage, do you think everyone KKK and bigot said "ok, you're right, we were wrong, you're cool." No, they were salty as heck. But they eventually realized they'd lost that battle, because they were FORCED to realize that.

    When they FORCED women's suffrage, do you think every misogynist said "ok, you're right, we were wrong, you're cool." No, they were salty as heck. But the misogynists eventually realized they'd lost that battle, because they were FORCED to realize that.

    Insert examples from abortion, banishing anti-sodomy laws, slavery, prohibition, etc.

    I couldn't give a F what bigots think or how "resentful" they feel when corrected. In fact, I'm out of F*cks to give.

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    EDIT: Above poster's link http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/on-discrimination-the-mormon-church-gives-and-takes-away/?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-top-span-region&region=c-column-top-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region&_r=0
  • metta

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    Jan 28, 2015 6:22 AM GMT
    SanDiegoMuscle saidThis article pretty much nails it:

    http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/on-discrimination-the-mormon-church-gives-and-takes-away/

  • NoFLFitGuy

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    Jan 28, 2015 12:58 PM GMT
    Any coincidence between this little useless blurb and the TLC thing the other week, which made the Church look like backwards baffoons to the normal population? Nothing is coincidental in the Church.

    As for the announcement -- hell, there is no difference between this and Boyd Packer's announcement a couple of years ago that gay people do not exist because God does not make mistakes. It is looking for CIVIL sanction for disowning LGBT family members, turning people into pariahs, etc. Contrary to wanting the government to "back off" it wants the government to sanction and enshrine legal discrimination against the LGBT population - but the same conduct they want to do against gay people, when it is done to them, is persecution, and horrendous and MUST be stopped. They want a gay version of Plessy v. Ferguson, and we know where that led for non-whites who fell into the "separate" category.

    Duplicitous and disgusting, but can we expect anything else from the LDS headquarters old men and the general LDS membership? Not really.
  • NoFLFitGuy

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    Jan 28, 2015 1:03 PM GMT
    flatstate2010 saidIn my short time of studying human behavior, if you force someone to think or do a certain action then you only cause resentment.

    I do think religious should have some freedoms that go against their core beliefs. (Perhaps it comes from my up bringing and study of history).

    I know that I am in the minority, but we do allow for minority rights within our country. Even if we haven't always protected them as a country. I guess it is a lesson we as a group should remember.


    IMO, you are falling for the work trickery given here.

    There are very few people in the community that want to force the LDS Church, for example, to allow same-sex marriages inside the temple.

    But, that is not what they are wanting or what they asked for. They asked for any person to be able to discriminate against us - as long as they cry "religion" as the reason. But, if discriminates against them because of their opinion on gays, it is the height of persecution that MUST be stopped by the government. They want to government to sanction doing to us the very things they want the government to prevent being done to them. They asked for a "separate but equal" status for us. We already know where that leads.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 28, 2015 5:04 PM GMT
    It's still PC to say Mormons can go fuck themselves, right?icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Svnw688

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    Jan 28, 2015 7:13 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidIt's still PC to say Mormons can go fuck themselves, right?icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yes. Mormons are the red-headed step child of Christian denominations.
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    Jan 28, 2015 7:22 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    HottJoe saidIt's still PC to say Mormons can go fuck themselves, right?icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yes. Mormons are the red-headed step child of Christian denominations.

    Islam, Christianity, and Mormonism are all cults based on Judaism.
  • tazzari

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    Jan 28, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
    CNN reported, "“In exchange, the Mormon church wants gay rights advocates — and the government — to back off.” In other words, the Mormon Church will back off the rhetoric, maybe even funding organizations like NOM, funding things like Prop 8 - if LGBT people will just quietly step to the back of the bus and stop objecting to discrimination, refusal of service, etc. Moreover, there is no hint of recognizing the endless damage done to LBGT youth by the LDS Church. What they seem to want is permission to discriminate without being called on it. No deal.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 28, 2015 8:39 PM GMT
    tazzari saidCNN reported, "“In exchange, the Mormon church wants gay rights advocates — and the government — to back off.” In other words, the Mormon Church will back off the rhetoric, maybe even funding organizations like NOM, funding things like Prop 8 - if LGBT people will just quietly step to the back of the bus and stop objecting to discrimination, refusal of service, etc. Moreover, there is no hint of recognizing the endless damage done to LBGT youth by the LDS Church. What they seem to want is permission to discriminate without being called on it. No deal.

    I'm surprised the evangelicals didn't think of it first!... Then again, they want to keep blaming us for natural disasters, so they probably won't offer a "compromise."icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 29, 2015 7:59 AM GMT
    This echoes their retraction of the ban on black priests. They received a "revelation" that basically said "hey, black people aren't so bad after all, even though our holy book says they're the spawn of murderous Cain."

    Religion, especially of the Abrahamic variety, tends to be racist, homophobic and misogynistic. Sadly, people just need to get used to that.
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    Jan 30, 2015 2:39 PM GMT
    TomSOCAL said
    HottJoe said
    Svnw688 said
    HottJoe saidIt's still PC to say Mormons can go fuck themselves, right?icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yes. Mormons are the red-headed step child of Christian denominations.

    Islam, Christianity, and Mormonism are all cults based on Judaism.


    We have too much mormon and Jew bashing here in California, both groups control most of the state, it has always been that way, and always will be that way.

    I get really tired of this bashing, since I'm gay I wouldn't want a member of either group to discriminate against me, and indeed they never have. Except for once when I outed some mormons and they got defensive. Totally my fault and I was very unkind.

    My liberal jewish friend in Manhattan has absolutely no issues with the lds. Back east, the liberals have less issues with lds than out west. Romney is a liberal mormon with his state health care plan in Massachusetts.

    If u travel or move into lds territory, don't be too out until u figure out if they are conservative mormons or liberal mormons in the city you're in. In the southwest, you'll find liberal mormons in places like palm springs, Tempe, Tucson, Scottsdale, and Flagstaff. But overall, these cities are relatively conservative compared to weho or san Francisco.

    Other than weho, I wish there was an extremely progressive place in the southwest, other than freezing cold and windy Santa fe at 7000 feet elevation!!! :-) Ditto Durango but no wind there! :-)
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    My personal experience based on the many many Mormons that I've known is that they are hard working wonderful people. I have no issues with them in spite of their somewhat unusual religion. But all religions are unique in their own way.