Obama: Being gay a 'lifestyle choice'??

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    Jan 27, 2015 8:54 PM GMT
    Really? I had no idea he felt this way. This sadly just tipped the scales for me:

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/23/obama-says-homosexuality-is-a-lifestyle-choice/
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    Jan 27, 2015 9:09 PM GMT
    There are studies proving that self-identify gay people are repulse by the smell of straight people. In return, gay people are also attractive to the smell of other gay people. There's scientific evidence to confirm that people are biologically gay

    Empirical observation is also plausible way to test out the idea. Merely observing that people are gay and attractive to gay men proves the hypothesis if gay people exist. People who say they're straight can't exactly prove they're straight either by their environment and surroundings.icon_lol.gif

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    Jan 27, 2015 9:14 PM GMT
    Could have been a slip of the tongue. Could have been he was referring to people not caring for what other people do in bed, so lifestyle could have been referring to anal sex, ew, and not to being gay.

    The reporting in the link above is pure bullshit, however, because it says that progressives demand that people believe a certain way, which is horseshit. I don't give a flying crap what someone believes. I do have issues when someone denies facts and then tries to force me to live according to their fantasy. The science is in on this. Calling being gay a belief is by now beyond belief. So that's just bullshit.

    The president definitely needs to explain his remark, but no more so than the interviewer needs to explain that shade of lipstick.

    On second thought, never mind the green. Some things I just don't want to know.
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    Jan 27, 2015 11:12 PM GMT
    Not for everyone.

    I think Obama is generalizing and so are most of the people on this forum.

    I have met a lot of guys who are bi sexual and have swung one way or the other. I have met men where there never was a choice and I have met men who choose being gay or straight based on what they want out of the relationship/lifestyle.

    I don't think you can generalize on either side.
  • Joeyphx444

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    Jan 27, 2015 11:44 PM GMT
    Obama has never been a real supporter of gay rights overall, he just catered to them to gain votes, duh, how can you guys be so stupid icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 28, 2015 12:17 AM GMT
    theantijock saidThe reporting in the link above is pure bullshit, however, because it says that progressives demand that people believe a certain way, which is horseshit.


    That's "Daily Caller" territory. Read anything from them or Newsmax, or anything in Murdoch's collection, and that's what to expect. It's no different than Faux News. In their fantasy world and that of their readers, anyone not wing-nut conservative is "bitter," "hateful," etc and the mainstream media is full of "liberal bias." Living a life of paranoid delusion must suck big time. Just ask any of the handful of GOP/libertarian trolls who pop up in this forum at the drop of a hat.

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    Jan 28, 2015 12:27 AM GMT
    Of course Obama thinks being gay is a choice, he hangs out with homophobe Al Sharpton.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/23/obama-says-homosexuality-is-a-lifestyle-choice/

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    Jan 28, 2015 12:41 AM GMT
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    Joeyphx444 saidObama has never been a real supporter of gay rights overall, he just catered to them to gain votes, duh, how can you guys be so stupid icon_rolleyes.gif


    Obama has lied about everything. And at this point I'm cutting my losses and cutting ties to the Democratic Party after a 40 year membership. It's amazing that he got all those high ranked women to lie, cheat and steal for him. Were they entranced by big black dick?
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    Jan 28, 2015 12:42 AM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    Alpha13 said
    Joeyphx444 saidObama has never been a real supporter of gay rights overall, he just catered to them to gain votes, duh, how can you guys be so stupid icon_rolleyes.gif


    Obama has lied about everything. And at this point I'm cutting my losses and cutting ties to the Democratic Party after a 40 year membership.


    +1 I had to do the same.

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    Jan 28, 2015 1:02 AM GMT
    canadian_stud saidNot for everyone.

    I think Obama is generalizing and so are most of the people on this forum.

    I have met a lot of guys who are bi sexual and have swung one way or the other. I have met men where there never was a choice and I have met men who choose being gay or straight based on what they want out of the relationship/lifestyle.

    I don't think you can generalize on either side.


    Whether a bisexual inclines towards gay or str8 is not lifestyle even if he is able to pick one over the other for any period of time, it is still his sexual orientation. Someone who chooses a gay relationship while identifying as str8 might not necessarily be a matter of orientation though I suspect most of those are closet cases, as it could be someone in jail or in the army or some a scientist in the Antarctic or some other forced situation, maybe even someone who got burned by opposite sex, whatever, so in that case it could be lifestyle. But being gay is never about lifestyle unless you're talking about two gay guys yachting. The sexuality is always about orientation. The president was wrong to mischaracterize us otherwise. I was surprised by the remark.

    http://www.glaad.org/reference/offensive
    There is no single lesbian, gay or bisexual lifestyle. Lesbians, gay men and bisexuals are diverse in the ways they lead their lives. The phrase "gay lifestyle" is used to denigrate lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals suggesting that their orientation is a choice and therefore can and should be "cured"


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    theantijock saidThe reporting in the link above is pure bullshit, however, because it says that progressives demand that people believe a certain way, which is horseshit.


    That's "Daily Caller" territory. Read anything from them or Newsmax, or anything in Murdoch's collection, and that's what to expect. It's no different than Faux News. In their fantasy world and that of their readers, anyone not wing-nut conservative is "bitter," "hateful," etc and the mainstream media is full of "liberal bias." Living a life of paranoid delusion must suck big time. Just ask any of the handful of GOP/libertarian trolls who pop up in this forum at the drop of a hat.

    Check the cited source and save a click. icon_wink.gif


    I didn't know that particular source but didn't need to as I could tell from its presentation what was its political bent. Before commenting in prior post I did check to find the youtube on another source, wondering if it was an older reference or actually current.

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    Joeyphx444 saidObama has never been a real supporter of gay rights overall, he just catered to them to gain votes, duh, how can you guys be so stupid icon_rolleyes.gif


    Obama has lied about everything. And at this point I'm cutting my losses and cutting ties to the Democratic Party after a 40 year membership. It's amazing that he got all those high ranked women to lie, cheat and steal for him. Were they entranced by big black dick?


    I never thought you were a Democrat. Nice to see you come out.
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    Jan 28, 2015 2:03 AM GMT
    Being gay is no more a lifestyle as is being straight. You can choose your particular lifestyle you can't choose your sexual orientation.
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    Jan 28, 2015 2:54 AM GMT
    Being honest with who you are is a lifestyle choice.
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    Jan 28, 2015 4:05 AM GMT
    Ugh. I'm so over all his flip-flopping. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 28, 2015 4:32 AM GMT
    Before Christianity, there was.....end of this discussion icon_rolleyes.gif


    Homosexuality in ancient Greece
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

    The Homosexual Tradition in China
    http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/gaytexts.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_China

    Homosexuality in ancient Egypt
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Egypt

    History of homosexuality
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_homosexuality
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    Jan 28, 2015 4:48 AM GMT
    I remember a few years back most of the gay community was also calling it a life style choice also .... so I went out of my way to correct everyone that said this or wrote this, and correct them that it was not a lifestyle or a choice, it was the way I was born .... you're welcome ... it'll probably take a while for the rest of the world to figure it out too. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 28, 2015 4:57 AM GMT
    Being gay to an extent actually is a lifestyle choice mainly because homosexual culture is actually made to be separate to a degree. I am into guys but I do not identify with gay culture. I don't see the positive significance in describing myself to be part of a sub culture when the reality is there are no sub cultures, there is only one human collective culture at least in special regards to sexuality. Gay culture is merely made to support people so that they can grow and be strong enough to face the collective world, which is fine, though I prefer to take the harder road without cushioning my difficult position.

    Different cultures serve different behaviors and practices mainly due to environmental effects of certain regions, but homosexuality has nothing to do with what part of the world you're in-there's homos everywhere. I understand that now (and especially in the past) we need special cultures to breed encouragement for people with different sexuality, but just like the black civil rights movement its important for everyone to integrate into society equally-not dissociate out of fear or desire for false protection.A Gay village can serve as either a positive amusement park or support system, or a social apartheid. There shouldn't be special places where you can initiate romance or sexual advances to another person, it should be something you can do in any community anywhere ideally. I live in that futuristic space so I do not need to identify myself as something that will serve as an irrational and invisible division between others with different, predetermined preferences. With that being said, others who live in the present and desire to attain normalcy by having to go to certain places where they feel more easily accepted is justifiable and I encourage that as well if it feels correct.
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    Jan 28, 2015 5:11 AM GMT
    What did you expect him to say?

    He just visited two countries who oppose homosexuality.

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    Jan 28, 2015 5:16 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidI remember a few years back most of the gay community was also calling it a life style choice also .... so I went out of my way to correct everyone that said this or wrote this, and correct them that it was not a lifestyle or a choice, it was the way I was born .... you're welcome ... it'll probably take a while for the rest of the world to figure it out too. icon_rolleyes.gif



    I am only going to mention this once. Its an ancient identity form and very accurate, yes, 'born this way'
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_chart

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    Jan 28, 2015 5:20 AM GMT
    2bnaked saidWhat did you expect him to say?

    He just visited two countries who oppose homosexuality.



    The point is that Obama grubered liberal gays and is finally speaking what he actually thinks now that he doesn't need their votes.

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    Jan 28, 2015 6:46 AM GMT
    Does it matter either way? "Born this way" or "Lifestyle", gay people have the right to live their lives in peace. Besides the whole nature vs nurture is a false dichotomy.
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    Jan 28, 2015 7:28 AM GMT
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    2bnaked saidWhat did you expect him to say?

    He just visited two countries who oppose homosexuality.



    The point is that Obama grubered liberal gays and is finally speaking what he actually thinks now that he doesn't need their votes.



    Oh, I knew this all along! That's why I didn't vote for him and do not like him. He's a fraud. All lies. From his books,health care and all the rest. I am over him!
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    Jan 28, 2015 7:43 AM GMT
    I'd be curious if you watched interview like I did because he was very supportive of us. I just don't see anything at all wrong with his actual minute long answer. The website you've linked is a republican site. Ah... and the article in the link has a partial excerpt of a quote cobbled together with someone else's reflective commentary.

    Here is the actual video so you can see the question he was asked which was "do you think that same sex marriage will be legalized in all the United States during the time you're in office?" If you care you can actually see his full answer. I'd love to know if you hear him say that sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice. Cause I didn't. It starts at minute 23:46

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    Jan 28, 2015 8:33 AM GMT
    I had already watched the interview question in full context and just did again. Even on my second viewing I think it was still either inappropriate or just misspoken but I also believe clarification called for given sensitivities and appearances.

    In reviewing the second time, it quite did sound as if he was relaying the thinking of those who might call orientation a lifestyle (i.e. that even if you think it is a lifestyle, that still it is none of your business what someone does behind closed doors) rather than reflecting his own thinking in that moment; but his pattern of speech wasn't clear about that. It could be so interpreted, and, I think, legitimately and easily explained away.

    Even though I think it could use clarification, I also think that outrage over this, obviously fueled by Gobs Of Poop, is not justified.
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    Jan 28, 2015 8:58 AM GMT
    woodfordr saidI'd be curious if you watched interview like I did because he was very supportive of us. I just don't see anything at all wrong with his actual minute long answer. The website you've linked is a republican site. Ah... and the article in the link has a partial excerpt of a quote cobbled together with someone else's reflective commentary.

    Here is the actual video so you can see the question he was asked which was "do you think that same sex marriage will be legalized in all the United States during the time you're in office?" If you care you can actually see his full answer. I'd love to know if you hear him say that sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice. Cause I didn't. It starts at minute 23:46

    That makes this whole discussion pointless and I hope people watch the video.
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    Jan 28, 2015 4:47 PM GMT
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