Alabama's Top Judge: Gay Marriage Rulings Are Federal 'Tyranny'

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    Jan 28, 2015 1:41 PM GMT
    Alabama's lunatic Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore (previously removed from office but back again after a general election), told Alabama Gov. Roy Bentley in a letter that nothing in Alabama's constitution allowed the federal government to "redefine" marriage to include gays and lesbians. The state supreme court, he said, has described marriage as a "divine institution."

    "Today the destruction of that institution is upon us by federal courts using specious pretexts based on the Equal Protection, Due Process and Full Faith and Credit Clauses of the United States Constitution," he wrote in the letter posted to AL.com.

    Moore was reacting to the decision on Friday by U.S. District Judge Callie V.S. Granade to throw out Alabama's same-sex marriage ban. She ordered a 14-day stay on her ruling on Sunday to allow the state time to appeal, though she said the state wasn't likely to succeed.

    Moore said Alabama laws "have always recognized the Biblical admonition stated by our Lord," which he said limited marriage to opposite-sex couples.


    I always thought the US Constitution was superior to any State Constitution. Apparently Chief Justice Moore believes the Alabama Constitution must first "allow" the Federal Constitution to prevail, on specific issues, since the State Constitution has precedence. I wonder if he believes that also applies to the 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery, and to the US Supreme Court ruling that school segregation is unconstitutional?
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    Jan 28, 2015 2:58 PM GMT
    it would be so easy to laugh at these people.
    Avoid being complacent as all this is about to be totally reviewed in the SCOTUS. So bad if these people get the last laugh and able to maintain hell in their little corner of the world.
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    Jan 28, 2015 3:03 PM GMT
    pellaz saidit would be so easy to laugh at these people.
    Avoid being complacent as all this is about to be totally reviewed in the SCOTUS. So bad if these people get the last laugh and [be] able to maintain hell in their little corner of the world.

    Believe me, their first step will be to export their Hell to the rest of the US, with evangelical zeal.
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    Jan 28, 2015 7:51 PM GMT
    Hes just maaadd that his bench decision was over ruled by a higher bench, in the corporate world we call this the 'chain of command', which I totally understand can be quite frustrating when you have less power in a hierarchy system, its probably happened to a lot of us in these structured systems, I know I have made decisions in the work world, at a lower level, somebody didn't like, they appealed to upper management and my decision was over ruled or over turned to fit their own needs. I guess as children, we just learn to accept that the ones at the top, have all the power, this is why ALL politics suck. With power comes great responsibility and its sad that some with it can use it to abuse others, depending on which side of the political fence the power falls. Its not Tyranny, but structure icon_rolleyes.gif

    This power play system is probably why the 'have and run your own business' is such a popular alternate to working for somebody else, more power to the people than to the people who already have the power icon_idea.gif

    Everyone wants power within this system, we call this "too many Chiefs and not enough Indians" icon_wink.gif


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    Jan 28, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
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    Hes just maaadd that his bench decision was over ruled by a higher bench, in the corporate world we call this the 'chain of command', which I totally understand can be quite frustrating when you have less power in a hierarchy system, its probably happened to a lot of us in these structured systems, I know I have made decisions in the work world, at a lower level, somebody didn't like, they appealed to upper management and my decision was over ruled or over turned to fit their own needs. I guess as children, we just learn to accept that the ones at the top, have all the power, this is why ALL politics suck. With power comes great responsibility and its sad that some with it can use it to abuse others, depending on which side of the political fence the power falls. icon_rolleyes.gif

    This power play system is probably why the 'have and run your own business' is such a popular alternate to working for somebody else, more power to the people than to the people who already have the power icon_idea.gif

    The problem with the "chain of command" analogy is that this Alabama Chief Justice is publicly stating false information on our Federal system, which incites confusion, promotes unfounded anger against the US government, and encourages dangerous extremists.

    A responsiblity of any judge is to speak the truth at all times. And not proclaim false political propaganda. Nor place personal beliefs, whether religion-based or not, ahead of the law. Or in this case, to even misprepresent & distort the law in order to support those beliefs.
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    Jan 28, 2015 8:17 PM GMT
    He's have said the same thing about the Emancipation Act.
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    Jan 28, 2015 8:23 PM GMT

    ^I am sure we have all seen this example icon_lol.gif



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    Jan 28, 2015 8:59 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    ELNathB said
    Hes just maaadd that his bench decision was over ruled by a higher bench, in the corporate world we call this the 'chain of command', which I totally understand can be quite frustrating when you have less power in a hierarchy system, its probably happened to a lot of us in these structured systems, I know I have made decisions in the work world, at a lower level, somebody didn't like, they appealed to upper management and my decision was over ruled or over turned to fit their own needs. I guess as children, we just learn to accept that the ones at the top, have all the power, this is why ALL politics suck. With power comes great responsibility and its sad that some with it can use it to abuse others, depending on which side of the political fence the power falls. icon_rolleyes.gif

    This power play system is probably why the 'have and run your own business' is such a popular alternate to working for somebody else, more power to the people than to the people who already have the power icon_idea.gif

    The problem with the "chain of command" analogy is that this Alabama Chief Justice is publicly stating false information on our Federal system, which incites confusion, promotes unfounded anger against the US government, and encourages dangerous extremists.

    A responsiblity of any judge is to speak the truth at all times. And not proclaim false political propaganda. Nor place personal beliefs, whether religion-based or not, ahead of the law. Or in this case, to even misprepresent & distort the law in order to support those beliefs.




    Well, that is part of the point. 50% of the chain of command system is all about politics. Most people are at work to do a job and do it well. Politics and religion are left to those in the upper part of the command chain along with their extensions, the Human Resource. icon_lol.gif If you have ever worked in the corporate world, you should know this already. The working world of the law is no different than manufacturing widgets. The bigger picture and problem is the "stove pipe" or "silo" system itself, the system that allows for these types of escapes which would include discrimination if not held in check.

    Think of SCOTUS as the "CEO" and the Alabama Supreme court justice as a business unit "Vice President" within the same company icon_idea.gif

    Organizational chart
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    Jan 29, 2015 4:45 PM GMT
    ELNathB said
    Art_Deco said
    ELNathB said
    Hes just maaadd that his bench decision was over ruled by a higher bench, in the corporate world we call this the 'chain of command', which I totally understand can be quite frustrating when you have less power in a hierarchy system, its probably happened to a lot of us in these structured systems, I know I have made decisions in the work world, at a lower level, somebody didn't like, they appealed to upper management and my decision was over ruled or over turned to fit their own needs. I guess as children, we just learn to accept that the ones at the top, have all the power, this is why ALL politics suck. With power comes great responsibility and its sad that some with it can use it to abuse others, depending on which side of the political fence the power falls. icon_rolleyes.gif

    This power play system is probably why the 'have and run your own business' is such a popular alternate to working for somebody else, more power to the people than to the people who already have the power icon_idea.gif

    The problem with the "chain of command" analogy is that this Alabama Chief Justice is publicly stating false information on our Federal system, which incites confusion, promotes unfounded anger against the US government, and encourages dangerous extremists.

    A responsiblity of any judge is to speak the truth at all times. And not proclaim false political propaganda. Nor place personal beliefs, whether religion-based or not, ahead of the law. Or in this case, to even misprepresent & distort the law in order to support those beliefs.


    Well, that is part of the point. 50% of the chain of command system is all about politics. Most people are at work to do a job and do it well. Politics and religion are left to those in the upper part of the command chain along with their extensions, the Human Resource. icon_lol.gifIf you have ever worked in the corporate world, you should know this already. The working world of the law is no different than manufacturing widgets. The bigger picture and problem is the "stove pipe" or "silo" system itself, the system that allows for these types of escapes which would include discrimination if not held in check.

    Think of SCOTUS as the "CEO" and the Alabama Supreme court justice as a business unit "Vice President" within the same company.
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    You are WAAAY off on your concept of SCOTUS vis-a-vis the state courts, and the workings of the legal system. If you'd ever worked in the legal world, you'd understand not only this - and that the philosophy and practice of law are hugely "different than [sic] manufacturing widgets" - but the reckless unprofessionalism of making such overbroad and uninformed claims. The state courts are courts of general, or unlimited jurisdiction; the federal courts, including SCOTUS, of limited jurisdiction, whose bounds are set by Art. III as subject to Congressional definition, expansion, or contraction. Of course the federal courts and US Constitution take precedence over state courts and law in matters delegated to the former; the sky is also blue and the sun rises in the East. But your simplistic corporate model in no way reflects the actual interaction of the federal and state courts.

    Then there's this gem: "The problem with the "chain of command" analogy is that this Alabama Chief Justice is publicly stating false information on our Federal system, which incites confusion, promotes unfounded anger against the US government, and encourages dangerous extremists."

    As this board and many others confirm, it doesn't take much to "promote anger against the US government," unfounded or not. And, you presume to accuse Fox News of spreading "lies," or AL's CJ of "publicly stating" the same false information you just rattled off. Finally, let's remember that dangerous extremists exist at both ends of the political spectrum, just as in every workplace. Even the lowliest HR mucky-muck - I still prefer the term "personnel" - knows that.
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    Jan 29, 2015 9:34 PM GMT
    I long ago ceased to be surprised by the crazy utterances of Alabama judges. In most of the civilized states of the USA, judges are prohibited from commenting publicly about cases that are before them, have been decided by them, or may come before them - this in an effort to ensure that courts at least "look" like they are impartial, and have not made up their minds on matters not brought before them in court. Alabama seems to be an outlier in this regard, more akin to the justice systems in Russia, Mexico, and North Korea than other USA jurisdictions.

    The Alabama federal court ruled Alabama's statute to be unconstitutional, with the decision being stayed until February 9. Enforcing Alabama's anti same sex marriage law would be unconstitutional after February 9. Perhaps Justice Moore bought his laws degree somewhere, which might explain why he would not know that. His advice to other judges to refuse to abide by the federal district court decision, is something which could get him removed from office in a more civilized state.

    At least any applicants for marriage licenses that are denied after February 9, can sue the officials, and win attorneys fees and court costs. I hope a lot of them do.
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    Jan 29, 2015 9:48 PM GMT
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    As this board and many others confirm, it doesn't take much to "promote anger against the US government," unfounded or not. And, you presume to accuse Fox News of spreading "lies," or AL's CJ of "publicly stating" the same false information you just rattled off. Finally, let's remember that dangerous extremists exist at both ends of the political spectrum, just as in every workplace. Even the lowliest HR mucky-muck - I still prefer the term "personnel" - knows that.

    Let me merely reply with 2 terms of which you are sadly ignornant: legal ethics and judical propriety. Chief Justice Moore consistently violates both, for which he was already removed from the bench once before. Only the fact that his current position is elective, rather than appointed, has put him into the office he now holds.

    But if you wanna defend this Right Wing moron that's your privilege. Just remember you're being painted with the same idiotic, bigoted brush as him. Enjoy! icon_biggrin.gif

    And BTW, to paraphrase an old saying: "The last refuge of a scoundrel is claiming that everyone else does it, too."
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    Jan 30, 2015 5:44 PM GMT
    I can fix all of this. Lets trade mississippi, alabama, Louisiana, oklahoma, arkansas, and utah to Mexico for cancun!! Those states are all drains on the federal coffers anyway.
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    Jan 30, 2015 9:04 PM GMT
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    ^I am sure we have all seen this example icon_lol.gif



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    Jan 30, 2015 9:08 PM GMT
    illyriak2000 saidI can fix all of this. Lets trade mississippi, alabama, Louisiana, oklahoma, arkansas, and utah to Mexico for cancun!! Those states are all drains on the federal coffers anyway.


    Unfortunately if you like putting gas in your car and foreign-made goods on your shelves you need to hang onto Louisiana due to the large amount of refineries and chemical plants on the river and also the Mississippi only being properly accessible there (there is a rail bridge over the river in Baton Rouge too low for ocean carriers to pass under)
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    Jan 30, 2015 9:50 PM GMT
    Its not worth it. Get rid of em