Do you accept evolution or believe in intelligent design?

  • wesv

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    Jan 30, 2015 6:49 AM GMT
    And why so?
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Jan 30, 2015 1:02 PM GMT
    Evolution is scientific fact.

    Intelligent design, the various creation myths, are the product of pre-scientific cultures trying to explain why the world was created and also justify the status quo. Stories, not fact.
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    Jan 30, 2015 1:09 PM GMT
    Hold on... Let me get the popcorn.
  • bobbobbob

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    Jan 30, 2015 1:16 PM GMT
    Have you ever really read about the Zitzmiller v Dover trial that exposed Intelligent Design as a total hoax and some of the men who testified for it as perjurers?

    It was a total scam and the people pushing it knew it was a scam. They denied it was the same a creationism but then a professor from Tulane found where they'd copied the ID texts word for word from drafts of book on creationism.

    Most of their expert witnesses declined to testify after this was discovered.

    Go to youtube and search for :

    **Kitzmiller v Dover and see all the documentaries and reports on it.

    Judge John E Jones who presided over the trial, a conservative appointed by Bush.

    Barbara Forrest Trojan Horse the woman who found the smoking gun evidence about ID being copied from creationism.
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    Jan 30, 2015 1:21 PM GMT
    I believe that "intelligent design" is crap.

    As for the why: see posters above me
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    Jan 30, 2015 1:32 PM GMT
    I wonder if the OP drives a Volvo, cuz this thread sounds like a flame trap.
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    Jan 30, 2015 2:15 PM GMT
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    Jan 30, 2015 3:13 PM GMT
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  • wesv

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    Jan 30, 2015 3:38 PM GMT
    I had to ask this because I had the chance to attend a lecture by Donald Johanson, discoverer of Lucy!
  • NealJohn

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    Jan 30, 2015 3:40 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidEvolution is scientific fact.

    Intelligent design, the various creation myths, are the product of pre-scientific cultures trying to explain why the world was created and also justify the status quo. Stories, not fact.



    Evolution is not scientific fact, it's a theory. Big difference.
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    Jan 30, 2015 3:51 PM GMT
    whatever
  • Hypertrophile

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    Jan 30, 2015 3:54 PM GMT
    You're right, it is a theory.

    A coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena.

    We know evolution is a regular, naturally occurring phenomenon.

    This is not to say that there isn't some kind of intelligence behind it.

    IMO there is no evidence of this whatsoever.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 30, 2015 4:02 PM GMT
    NealJohn said
    Rowing_Ant saidEvolution is scientific fact.

    Intelligent design, the various creation myths, are the product of pre-scientific cultures trying to explain why the world was created and also justify the status quo. Stories, not fact.



    Evolution is not scientific fact, it's a theory. Big difference.

    The only reason it's a "theory" is because science defines the word theory differently than laymen use the term. Evolution is demonstrable, like climate change. Both evolution and climate change are scientific theories, and the proof is that all evidence leads to the same conclusion.
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    Jan 30, 2015 4:14 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    NealJohn said
    Rowing_Ant saidEvolution is scientific fact.

    Intelligent design, the various creation myths, are the product of pre-scientific cultures trying to explain why the world was created and also justify the status quo. Stories, not fact.



    Evolution is not scientific fact, it's a theory. Big difference.

    The only reason it's a "theory" is because science defines the word theory differently than laymen use the term. Evolution is demonstrable, like climate change. Both evolution and climate change are scientific theories, and the proof is that all evidence leads to the same conclusion.

    For Nealjohn: evolution is fact, because it has been observed and documented scientifically. However the next step after a scientific theory is not fact, but a scientific law. To prove evolution as a law you'd need a second earth in a lab to come up with the same results.

    Intelligent design is nothing but fairy tales without the slightest proof or facts.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 30, 2015 4:30 PM GMT
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    HottJoe said
    NealJohn said
    Rowing_Ant saidEvolution is scientific fact.

    Intelligent design, the various creation myths, are the product of pre-scientific cultures trying to explain why the world was created and also justify the status quo. Stories, not fact.



    Evolution is not scientific fact, it's a theory. Big difference.

    The only reason it's a "theory" is because science defines the word theory differently than laymen use the term. Evolution is demonstrable, like climate change. Both evolution and climate change are scientific theories, and the proof is that all evidence leads to the same conclusion.

    For Nealjohn: evolution is fact, because it has been observed and documented scientifically. However the next step after a scientific theory is not fact, but a scientific law. To prove evolution as a law you'd need a second earth in a lab to come up with the same results.

    Intelligent design is nothing but fairy tales without the slightest proof or facts.

    Thanks for this clarification! icon_smile.gif
  • NeuralShock

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    Jan 30, 2015 4:40 PM GMT
    Why not both?
  • ASHDOD

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    Jan 30, 2015 5:01 PM GMT
    there is no real proof of a ''god'' or any other name,and plenty of evolution [and thus no reason to belive in god with or without the evoution ]
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    Jan 30, 2015 6:00 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidEvolution is scientific fact.

    Intelligent design, the various creation myths, are the product of pre-scientific cultures trying to explain why the world was created and also justify the status quo. Stories, not fact.

    This is all.
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    Jan 30, 2015 6:15 PM GMT
    NealJohn said
    Rowing_Ant saidEvolution is scientific fact.

    Intelligent design, the various creation myths, are the product of pre-scientific cultures trying to explain why the world was created and also justify the status quo. Stories, not fact.



    Evolution is not scientific fact, it's a theory. Big difference.
    A classic misunderstanding of the scientifically illiterate. Evolution is a scientific fact. A scientific theory is the explanation of that fact. It doesn't refer to the layman meaning of a guess or hypothesis.

    Gravity is a theory too. Are you going to claim gravity isn't a fact?
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    Jan 30, 2015 6:16 PM GMT
    “Religion was the race's first (and worst) attempt to make sense of reality. It was the best the species could do at a time when we had no concept of physics, chemistry, biology or medicine. We did not know that we lived on a round planet, let alone that the said planet was in orbit in a minor and obscure solar system, which was also on the edge of an unimaginably vast cosmos that was exploding away from its original source of energy. We did not know that micro-organisms were so powerful and lived in our digestive systems in order to enable us to live, as well as mounting lethal attacks on us as parasites. We did not know of our close kinship with other animals. We believed that sprites, imps, demons, and djinns were hovering in the air about us. We imagined that thunder and lightning were portentous. It has taken us a long time to shrug off this heavy coat of ignorance and fear, and every time we do there are self-interested forces who want to compel us to put it back on again.” - Christopher Hitchens

    Intelligent design and religion have no supporting evidence.
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    Jan 30, 2015 6:27 PM GMT
    I have no problem with the models of modern Darwinian Evolution theories. However, I do not believe that a purely naturalistic Darwinian Evolution model is the best one. I believe that divine intervention played a role. I am also open to many different ideas.

    BTW intelligent design doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion. For instance, there are atheists that believe that we were somehow created, or at least the ball got rolling through intervention, by extraterrestrials.
  • tazzari

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    Jan 30, 2015 6:28 PM GMT
    I've had several ankle/foot operations in the last year. The ankle joint is the best argument against intelligent design I've ever seen.
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    Jan 30, 2015 7:45 PM GMT
    Jameski said For instance, there are atheists that believe that we were somehow created, or at least the ball got rolling through intervention, by extraterrestrials.

    I believe the correct term for such persons is "loons".
  • fitone

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    Jan 30, 2015 8:11 PM GMT
    When I was in school we were taught evolutionary science. There was no questioning it's validity. I don't see how anyone with any intelligence can doubt it.
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    Jan 30, 2015 8:22 PM GMT
    I believe in both evolution and a God. There isn't a conflict unless you are a strict fundamentalist.


    "There is much evidence for evolution. The most compelling comes from the study of genes, especially now that the Human Genome Project has been completed and the genomes of many other species being constantly mapped.

    In particular, humans share an unfortunate “broken gene” with many other primates, including chimpanzees, orangutans, and macaques. This gene, which works fine in most mammals, enables the production of Vitamin C. Species with broken versions of the gene can’t make Vitamin C and must get it from foods like oranges and lemons.

    Thousands of hapless sailors died painful deaths scurvy during the age of exploration because their “Vitamin C” gene was broken.

    How can different species have identical broken genes? The only reasonable explanation is that they inherited it from a common ancestor.


    Christians must come to welcome - rather than fear - the ideas of evolution. Truths about Nature are sacred, for they speak of our Creator. Such truths constitute “God’s second book” for Christians to read alongside the Bible."

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/10/my-take-jesus-would-believe-in-evolution-and-so-should-you/