Nancy Reagan Turned Down Rock Hudson’s Plea For Help Nine Weeks Before He Died

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    Feb 03, 2015 6:35 AM GMT
    Nancy Reagan Turned Down Rock Hudson’s Plea For Help Nine Weeks Before He Died


    http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/nancy-reagan-turned-down-rock-hudsons-plea-for-help-seven-we


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    Feb 03, 2015 6:42 AM GMT
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    Feb 03, 2015 9:01 AM GMT
    A weird story, though doubtless frightening for all involved at the time. Hard to say which of the persons photographed there looks more like a walking corpse. Nor is it clear that this French doctor could have done anything for Hudson anyway. In the end, Hudon chose to spent a quarter million dollars to charter a jumbo Jet to take him home to die. (well why not? It was his money. ) He could have spent it to rent an apartment and see this doctor privately. But he didn't. That we know of. icon_neutral.gif
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    Feb 03, 2015 6:22 PM GMT
    Not really the White House's job to save the lives of Hollywood stars. Plus wouldn't he have taken someone else's place? What about the life of that person?
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    Feb 03, 2015 7:11 PM GMT
    Bullshit articlewith the Reagan administration recommending a $10 million cut in AIDS spending down to $86 million in its federal budget proposal released in February 1985.


    Liberal lies spread faster than AIDS. Have some treatment:

    http://www.fas.org/spp/civil/crs/96-293.pdf

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    Feb 03, 2015 7:13 PM GMT
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    Feb 03, 2015 7:16 PM GMT


    "President Reagan said that Rock Hudson would be remembered for his humanity."

    That is not something I would say about the Reagans.

  • TheBaise

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    Feb 03, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
    It's a fact! The Regans denied Rock Hudson his medicine, all because he was gay. They didn't care about gays. They turned their backs on him when they found out. All repubs should be ashamed they didn't do more to help. Drug companies were all racing to be the first to have the most powerful AIDS drugs, but the repubs held them back by saying homosexuals didn't matter! This really happened! It was even in a magazine!
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    Feb 03, 2015 8:16 PM GMT
    Knowing her and her husband's ghoulish politics (opposition to social security benefits, animosity toward the HIV/AIDS crisis, supply-side economics for the rich, opposition to universal healthcare, etc.), I was ambivalent to her heartbreak. I wonder if she even realizes the increased number of coffins caused by the policies she and her husband supported. I doubt she is that self-aware:

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    Feb 03, 2015 9:41 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said
    Bullshit articlewith the Reagan administration recommending a $10 million cut in AIDS spending down to $86 million in its federal budget proposal released in February 1985.


    Liberal lies spread faster than AIDS. Have some treatment:

    http://www.fas.org/spp/civil/crs/96-293.pdf

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    Well proposing a cut is not the same as going through with it, so I'm not sure where you are getting the liberal lies claim from.

    I was around back then, I remember it.

    Here's an article from 1986 that may help clarify:

    http://articles.philly.com/1986-02-06/news/26087972_1_aids-research-aids-report-reagan-people
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    Feb 03, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
    I wouldn't be so quick to blame Mrs Reagan, you know. If you read the article, she was given advice that she followed through on. I found it interesting that the man in question who advised her didn't go to the President first. Why Nancy? No one elected her.
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    Feb 03, 2015 9:48 PM GMT
    sf_swimmer saidNot really the White House's job to save the lives of Hollywood stars. Plus wouldn't he have taken someone else's place? What about the life of that person?


    I agree - and yet, it seems they were happy to bailout Bob Hope and other Hollywood stars when the call came.
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    Feb 03, 2015 11:26 PM GMT
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    sf_swimmer saidNot really the White House's job to save the lives of Hollywood stars. Plus wouldn't he have taken someone else's place? What about the life of that person?


    I agree - and yet, it seems they were happy to bailout Bob Hope and other Hollywood stars when the call came.


    I suppose it depends on what you mean by "bail out." I still don't know see Rock Hudson should have jumped ahead of someone else who needed treatment.
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    Feb 04, 2015 1:04 AM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 said
    sf_swimmer saidNot really the White House's job to save the lives of Hollywood stars. Plus wouldn't he have taken someone else's place? What about the life of that person?


    I agree - and yet, it seems they were happy to bailout Bob Hope and other Hollywood stars when the call came.


    I suppose it depends on what you mean by "bail out." I still don't know see Rock Hudson should have jumped ahead of someone else who needed treatment.


    Why do you assume that the hospital was full?
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    Feb 04, 2015 1:13 AM GMT
    metta8 said

    Why do you assume that the hospital was full?


    Very good point, metta. In my experience, military hospitals (which this was) generally run well under capacity in peacetime, to such an extent they have to supplement their intake with elective civilian patients.
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    Feb 04, 2015 1:17 AM GMT
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    metta8 said

    Why do you assume that the hospital was full?


    Very good point, metta. In my experience, military hospitals (which this was) generally run well under capacity in peacetime, to such an extent they have to supplement their intake with elective civilian patients.


    Then why did he need Nancy Reagan to intervene? I assume that the "because he's not French" in the telegram indicated that the hospital was required to treat French citizens first, not that they were xenophobic or homophobic. As the telegram also makes clear, the hospital in Paris was the only place in the world where anyone could receive the best treatment for a worldwide epidemic. (Remember that there were a lot of gay men in France at that time who had AIDS and who needed treatment.) I realize that this doesn't fit the victim/homophobe narrative being pushed here, but isn't it a more rational interpretation of what was happening?
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    Feb 04, 2015 1:25 AM GMT
    sf_swimmer said
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    metta8 said

    Why do you assume that the hospital was full?


    Very good point, metta. In my experience, military hospitals (which this was) generally run well under capacity in peacetime, to such an extent they have to supplement their intake with elective civilian patients.


    Then why did he need Nancy Reagan to intervene?


    Because admittance was normally open to French citizens only, but the French doctor believed the commanding general would make an exception if the request for Hudson's admission came from someone high up in the US government.
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    Feb 04, 2015 1:33 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    sf_swimmer said
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    metta8 said

    Why do you assume that the hospital was full?


    Very good point, metta. In my experience, military hospitals (which this was) generally run well under capacity in peacetime, to such an extent they have to supplement their intake with elective civilian patients.


    Then why did he need Nancy Reagan to intervene?


    Because admittance was normally open to French citizens only, but the French doctor believed that the commanding general would make an exception if the request for Hudson's admission came from someone high up in the US government.


    Even if true that still begs the questions whether the hospital was fully booked and why Hudson should bump a French citizen off the list.
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    Feb 04, 2015 1:40 AM GMT
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    Well, many hospitals base care on triage. I would think that close to dying would rank pretty high up there.
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    Feb 04, 2015 1:53 AM GMT
    Typically disgusting Right Wing Republican behavior.
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    Feb 04, 2015 2:10 AM GMT
    metta8 said^
    Well, many hospitals base care on triage. I would think that close to dying would rank pretty high up there.


    Makes sense ... sounds like they can make their own decisions without Nancy being involved.
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    Feb 04, 2015 2:16 AM GMT
    metta8 said^
    Well, many hospitals base care on triage. I would think that close to dying would rank pretty high up there.

    Ironically, "triage" is a French medical concept and term, originating during the Napoleonic Wars and becoming a standardized protocol during World War I.
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    Feb 04, 2015 3:38 AM GMT
    @ArtDeco

    Napoleon blew my bone apart.
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    Feb 04, 2015 4:52 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidTypically disgusting Right Wing Republican behavior.


    Well, Bobbi, considering how much you like getting fucked up the ass, what if it was it you .... who was not famous, but an ranking army muckety muck laying there dying of aids and you were passed over by a president who was doing favours and showing favoritism for his elite, wealthy, famous, well connected (Republican, I might add) Hollywood buddies? What if you were the one who was passed over because you were not a well connected, wealthy, famous celebrity?

    Of course, this is assuming that you would have been brave enough to come out and admit why you loved "plumping" and cruising naked cock in locker room, steam room, saunas, etc., instead of hiding behind the ruse of happily married straight with children.
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    Feb 04, 2015 6:39 AM GMT
    meninlove said I wouldn't be so quick to blame Mrs Reagan, you know. If you read the article, she was given advice that she followed through on. I found it interesting that the man in question who advised her didn't go to the President first. Why Nancy? No one elected her.

    Ronald Regan was completely senile by then, he had alzheimer's, by then Nancy was making all the decisions.