How would you handle terrorism?

  • jock_1

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    Feb 04, 2015 2:49 PM GMT
    We have seen beheadings, and now we have seen burned alive. We have seen innocent hostages being killed all for publicity for terrorist groups. My question is simple and with no politics involved. What is your solution to or how would you handle terrorism?
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 04, 2015 3:58 PM GMT
    I would revise our education standards so that all students starting in grade school are taught matter-of-factly that religion is a mass delusion based on superstition. I would make the sea of evidence about our origins and the universe part of the curriculum, and discuss that there is no evidence wheresoever that God exists, because it's entirely a myth, and that believing in prophets is no different than believing in vampires or witches. I would teach the origins of these mythologies, and how faith in them is a belief in a fantasy, no different than a child believing Santa is real because their mom said he was real. Furthermore, I would tell them that religions are insidious cults, that preachers are professional con artists, and if they want to break free they must be able to accept that there are no chosen people, that there is nothing supernatural worth dying and fighting and oppressing women and persecuting gays over, and that giving your life to a false cause is indecent and a deplorable way to live.
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    Feb 04, 2015 3:59 PM GMT
    Governments can and do normally negotiate with terrorists, (despite that oft-repeated phrase, "We never negotiate with terrorists"). The so-called Islamic State is different. They are interested only in killing to impress. They need to be culled, until they lose their ability to fight and lose their attraction to disaffected and deluded young Sunnis. Same with Boko Haram in Nigeria. IS are already losing ground, so we can expect them to become more desperate and more extreme (if that is possible) as their plan to create their own caliphate continues to derail.
  • tj85016

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    Feb 04, 2015 4:12 PM GMT
    I'd pull completely out of the Middle East. The US can source oil from other places. I really don't think the turmoil in the Middle East is based on Islam.

    The trouble in the Middle East and Northern Africa is all about oil now. I think the "terrorists" are are a bunch of really pissed off people who have seen their countries invaded by Europeans for 400 years.

    It's just gonna play out.

    The breakup of the Ottoman Empire was a mess, World War 1 was an even bigger mess. Then the discovery of oil in Saudi in 1938 made the Middle East a free-for-all for the Dutch, Brits, French and the US.

    Yeah all you people think we can just walk in and try to nation build again. Typical arrogant response, but it's not our fight.
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 04, 2015 4:54 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidI'd pull completely out of the Middle East. The US can source oil from other places. I really don't think the turmoil in the Middle East is based on Islam.

    The trouble in the Middle East and Northern Africa is all about oil now. I think the "terrorists" are are a bunch of really pissed off people who have seen their countries invaded by Europeans for 400 years.

    It's just gonna play out.

    The breakup of the Ottoman Empire was a mess, World War 1 was an even bigger mess. Then the discovery of oil in Saudi in 1938 made the Middle East a free-for-all for the Dutch, Brits, French and the US.

    Yeah all you people think we can just walk in and try to nation build again. Typical arrogant response, but it's not our fight.

    I don't think the west should nation build, but I also think the Ottoman empire is better left behind in history. Then again, there's still the Taliban, the wahhabis in Saudi Arabia, the Sunni Muslims in Somalia, etc, all of which submit to a barbaric ideology and use cruel and unusual punishments on their critics. And the people who escape the oppressive governments take the religion that enables the oppressive governments with them. It's a vicious cycle.

    I should add that a Christian theocracy/empire would also be barbaric and unacceptable. Religion is a form of imperialism and is the antithesis of freedom and democracy.

    Sure, we get oil from the Saudis. We're their customers for the one and only product they have for sale. How is it our fault that they don't know how to run a business, or a country, or get their people out of the dark ages?

    The west could just turn away from the middle east altogether, and then get blamed for the unforgivable act of standing back as Israel and Iran eventually start nuking each other and wiping themselves out by the millions.
  • mwolverine

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    Feb 04, 2015 5:40 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidI think the "terrorists" are are a bunch of really pissed off people who have seen their countries invaded by Europeans for 400 years.

    Wow, it seemed like just yesterday you said 200 years.
    (Which is also an exaggeration.)

    Why weren't they "pissed off" that previously they had been invaded by the Ottomans for (really) 400 years?
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    Feb 04, 2015 5:42 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidI would revise our education standards so that all students starting in grade school are taught matter-of-factly that religion is a mass delusion based on superstition. I would make the sea of evidence about our origins and the universe part of the curriculum, and discuss that there is no evidence wheresoever that God exists, because it's entirely a myth, and that believing in prophets is no different than believing in vampires or witches. I would teach the origins of these mythologies, and how faith in them is a belief in a fantasy, no different than a child believing Santa is real because their mom said he was real. Furthermore, I would tell them that religions are insidious cults, that preachers are professional con artists, and if they want to break free they must be able to accept that there are no chosen people, that there is nothing supernatural worth dying and fighting and oppressing women and persecuting gays over, and that giving your life to a false cause is indecent and a deplorable way to live.


    this would work
    +1
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 04, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
    1. Figure out where the money is coming from and label those people as international criminals (probably mostly Saudi) and the government that allows it equally complicit. (Sure, I know this will have a depressing effect on real estate in London and NYC and Beverly Hills.) Ban anyone from that country from entering ours or hopefully all civilized countries. Also ban any trade or commerce with that country or access to our banking system. Remember when we had Iraq under control before the Repukes decided they wanted a war, just so they could play with their toy soldiers?

    2. Authorize the Executive branch to conduct clandestine murder of foreign targets and one by one, execute them.

    3. Get off oil and focus on clean energy.

    4. Tell Israel to defend itself- we're out in 10 years. Then walk away like the Brits did in Hong Kong and India.
  • tj85016

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    Feb 04, 2015 6:13 PM GMT
    mwolverine said
    tj85016 saidI think the "terrorists" are are a bunch of really pissed off people who have seen their countries invaded by Europeans for 400 years.

    Wow, it seemed like just yesterday you said 200 years.
    (Which is also an exaggeration.)

    Why weren't they "pissed off" that previously they had been invaded by the Ottomans for (really) 400 years?


    please, since the end of World War 2, every country in the Middle East has been armed to the teeth by 5 or 6 countries all with oil interests (England had Iran which BP was born out of, France had Iraq with the Turkish Oil Company which pretty much became Total of France with Deutsche Bank, the US owned Saudi Aramco)

    all these countries had phony governments set up by the West

    now a bunch of people get their hands on some cheap weapons from China and Russia or take the ones we gave them and they go at it

    it's not "terrorism", it's a giant civil war
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 04, 2015 6:49 PM GMT
    Maybe we should recolonize these uncivilized places.
  • Svnw688

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    Feb 04, 2015 6:51 PM GMT
    Muslims can't drink. They're going to be pissed off until their religion changes this stance, or they die. Man cannot live happily without (moderate, not heavy and dysfunctional) drink.
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 04, 2015 7:46 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidMuslims can't drink. They're going to be pissed off until their religion changes this stance, or they die. Man cannot live happily without (moderate, not heavy and dysfunctional) drink.

    This reminds me of the scene in "Ghost" when she has to sign a check for 4 million dollars over to some nuns, and (to paraphrase) she says, "what is a nun going to do with four million dollars? She can't even buy underwear!"
  • mwolverine

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    Feb 05, 2015 4:38 AM GMT
    pazzy saidthat's terrorism because it's the act of terrorizing somebody or some people. it also depends on your definition of terrorism as well. some people basically have it in their minds that terrorism is a form of crime in itself. they view murder as being completely different than terrorism even if whatever terrorist act is a murder. how can you fight "terrorism" though? murder is terrorism. rape is terrorism. labeling something as terrorism because of someone that is killing someone else is practicing islam or ethnicity happens to be arab is very racist. it's crazy how folks don't realize that they're being racist or how they're being brainwashed to be that way.

    Sorry, but while the problems you describe are real and very serious, that's completely wrong. I could just as well say that I am "terrorized" when Ohio State beats Michigan. That doesn't make it so.

    These are not nebulous words, nor "racist" in their application, nor is there any "brainwashing". Like "murder" and "rape", terrorism is a specific violation of existing LAW. We live under the "rule of law", not the "rule of words". Crimes are violations of law, not re-arranging or modifying words, word-games.

    One instrument of international law dealing with terrorism is the:

    International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombing
    https://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree/terroristbombing.html

    Note that neither the words "Islam" or "Arab" appear in the text.

    A non-state actor, be it an individual or a group, is guilty of "terrorism" if they perpetrate acts which are forbidden under that treaty.

    I suspect jock_1 had this (or something similar) in mind when he asked the question.
  • mwolverine

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    Feb 05, 2015 4:41 AM GMT
    Destinharbor saidTell Israel to defend itself

    Israel does, with some help from its friends, but don't forget that in the eyes of the terrorists and their supporters, Israel is the "little Satan" while the US is the "Great Satan".

    I suspect that were Israel a religious Jewish state (rather than a secular democratic state), terrorist groups like Hizbullah, Al Qaida and ISIL might not hate it were it not a friend of the US or viewed as Western.

    In a poll of BRITISH Muslims taken after the 7/7 attacks in London, 1/3rd said that "Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to end it". Which has nothing to do with Israel, other than hating Israel because they see it as an extension of the West into the mid/east.

    Consider further:
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  • tj85016

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    Feb 05, 2015 4:45 AM GMT
    Destinharbor saidMaybe we should recolonize these uncivilized places.


    you mean Florida, Massachusetts and Australia?
  • mwolverine

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    Feb 05, 2015 4:47 AM GMT
    tj85016> since the end of World War 2

    So 70 years, not 200 or 400?

    tj85016> every country in the Middle East has been armed to the teeth by 5 or 6 countries all with oil interests (England had Iran which BP was born out of, France had Iraq with the Turkish Oil Company which pretty much became Total of France with Deutsche Bank, the US owned Saudi Aramco)

    Iraq was a British, not French, Mandate.
    Why not mention of the Russians?

    tj85016> all these countries had phony governments set up by the West

    Kuwait has been ruled by the same family even since before the establishment of the US.


    Why weren't they "pissed off" that previously they had been invaded by the Ottomans for (really) 400 years?

    tj> ?
  • Apparition

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    Feb 05, 2015 5:20 AM GMT
    put up a fence, and peek at who is still alive in 50 years.

    kick them off the internet and they disappear.

    alternatively, pick a winner, tell them who it is, and eliminate everyone else.

    personally, I think removing the airports, and seaports and never letting them leave would work best. they arent happy here anyway.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Feb 05, 2015 5:35 AM GMT
    with nanobots

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    Feb 05, 2015 6:42 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidGovernments can and do normally negotiate with terrorists, (despite that oft-repeated phrase, "We never negotiate with terrorists"). The so-called Islamic State is different. They are interested only in killing to impress. They need to be culled, until they lose their ability to fight and lose their attraction to disaffected and deluded young Sunnis. Same with Boko Haram in Nigeria. IS are already losing ground, so we can expect them to become more desperate and more extreme (if that is possible) as their plan to create their own caliphate continues to derail.

    Quoted for salience.

  • TheBaise

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    Feb 05, 2015 6:48 AM GMT
    President Obama has the right idea when he says we should all just try to get along. Live and let live. Show the world kindness and that we mean no harm / and the world will return that goodness to us. He has apologized for us and we should all be thankful for that. No more aggression! Nobody is doing more to try for a peaceful world than Barak Obama is.
  • tj85016

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    Feb 05, 2015 7:23 AM GMT
    you people have no concept of history, there were waaay more "terrorist" attacks in the 70's with the Germans, Irish, Cubans, et al

    this Middle East stuff is just a civil war and US political bullshit to keep you all pre-occupied and the US on a permanent war footing.

    All these idiot politicians are gonna save us from some trumped-up, fake terrorism crap when you have a 10x better chance of dying from falling in your bath tub or a train crash.
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    Feb 05, 2015 8:29 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidI would revise our education standards so that all students starting in grade school are taught matter-of-factly that religion is a mass delusion based on superstition. I would make the sea of evidence about our origins and the universe part of the curriculum, and discuss that there is no evidence wheresoever that God exists, because it's entirely a myth, and that believing in prophets is no different than believing in vampires or witches. I would teach the origins of these mythologies, and how faith in them is a belief in a fantasy, no different than a child believing Santa is real because their mom said he was real. Furthermore, I would tell them that religions are insidious cults, that preachers are professional con artists, and if they want to break free they must be able to accept that there are no chosen people, that there is nothing supernatural worth dying and fighting and oppressing women and persecuting gays over, and that giving your life to a false cause is indecent and a deplorable way to live.

    And because your solution is so practical, it will no doubt be adopted by every school and madrassa in the world, love and peace will blossom throughout the globe, and lions and tigers will become vegetarians and cuddle with lambs.
  • bmikesell2012

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    Feb 05, 2015 10:09 AM GMT
    TheBaise saidPresident Obama has the right idea when he says we should all just try to get along. Live and let live. Show the world kindness and that we mean no harm / and the world will return that goodness to us. No more aggression! Nobody is doing more to try for a peaceful world than Barak Obama is.



    HAHA yeah showing them kindness would def. Help! Especially when they are trying to kill us in the name of Islam yep lets hug each other
  • mwolverine

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    Feb 05, 2015 4:09 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidyou people have no concept of history, there were waaay more "terrorist" attacks in the 70's

    Strange statement coming from someone who makes claims of 400 years, 200 years, and then says since WW II (70 years).

    Reality:

    In the 1970s, there was a total of 9,837 terrorist incidents worldwide.
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    In the last 10 years for which data is available (2004-2013), there have been 48,990 terrorist incidents.
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    If by "waaay more" you meant 5x LESS then you're right. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 05, 2015 4:51 PM GMT
    terror lurks every where:
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