They shouldn't need to modify their behavior because of rare psychopaths like this. That you think "why did it happen in the first place" (hint they were DRUGGED, at that point nothing they did was VOLUNTARY) is blaming them. It empowers the assaulter.
That is the opposite of what I've been saying. Did the article indicate these men were drugged and "roofed"? Maybe there's been an update I didn't see?
If they were drugged this becomes a different issue. And you & I are not in disagreement.
But based on the article (and I know these things are often not accurate), these guys made themselves drunk. Not a good idea.
And I also said that this "Joey" who was convicted of assaulting them over a period of time was fully guilty. And I'll be happy to see him sentenced to a prison term this March.
I'm not "blaming the victim". This guy is a criminal who deserves jail.
At the same time, I'm saying that bad guys like this exist. And we've gotta take precautions against them, understand that this is a risk. Which includes not passing out stinking drunk at a party, or accepting drinks that may be roofies (if that was the case here) so that bad guys like "Joey" can't rape us.
It's no different from when we're told how to protect our wallet from pickpockets. He's the criminal, he's the one who should be prosecuted fully. But hey, also know how to protect yourself from these predators. That's all I'm saying.
The article does say " All were drunk at the time of the assault and were possibly drugged, police add."
Alcohol IS a drug. Albeit a legal one. AND he bought them drinks.
"This week, as another case of socially powerful teenage boys allegedly committing rape and seemingly getting away with it–this time in Maryville, Missouri –captivated national attention, the conversation predictably focused on the victim’s drinking. “I’m not saying she deserved to be raped,” said a defense attorney on Fox News of one of the victims, 14-year-old Daisy Coleman, adding, “She is leaving her home at 1 a.m. in the morning and nobody forced her to drink.” Slate’s Emily Yoffe claimed that “a misplaced fear of blaming the victim has made it somehow unacceptable to warn inexperienced young women that when they get wasted, they are putting themselves in potential peril.” USA Today referred to Coleman dismissively as a “drunken 14-year-old cheerleader.”
Whether the alleged victims were “wasted” or “drunken” does matter, but not for the reasons those commentators suggested. It matters legally, because in most states, incapacitated people are unable to consent to sex, whether because they’ve drunk alcohol (even, in many states, if they’ve done so knowingly and voluntarily), taken prescription or illegal drugs, or are developmentally disabled.
The hearings for the proposed new law happened weeks after Missouri’s own Todd Akin made famous the phrase “legitimate rape.” "
As a bartender, IMHO the kids did nothing wrong whatsoever. Nothing. Nor do I think overreacting by giving the power
to the rapist is productive. Like a terrorist it is a social attack also. We shouldn't be afraid to to normal things.
I'm not against common sense, but if we all cower and lock ourselves away from predators....who wins??
My JOB is to see that my patrons have a good time, and be responsible. Yes, they can get drunk to some extent. I don't want to over serve either. If someone wants to buy someone a drink I ask if they want one. If they accept I deliver it to
them. Even after a few, if they say no and someone pressures them to have another, I say I won't. It's illegal to force someone to drink I've said.
I make sure they get in a cab. Or have someone responsible for them....the one they came with preferably. I've warned customers about some people. Just a gut instinct at times. But this guy may have seemed OK, Jeffrey Dalmer probably seemed OK too.
I don't think we disagree on the legality. I just hate to see good people become immobilized by fear. Have a good time, be cautious. Listen to your friends and your bartender!