Man Convicted of Sexually Assaulting Four Men He Met at Bars

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    Feb 06, 2015 2:01 AM GMT
    Real estate appraiser Joey Poindexter was convicted Thursday of sexually assaulting four men he met at bars and lured to his Maryland home.

    Police began investigating him more than a year ago, after a man alleged that Poindexter sexually assaulted him after meeting him at Looney's Pub in College Park, Maryland, during a beer pong tournament Oct. 3, 2013.

    He will be sentenced in this case March 20. Police say if you think you may be a victim, you should contact Montgomery County Special Victims Unit as soon as possible.


    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Convicted-of-Sexually-Assaulting-Four-Men-He-Met-at-Bars-290926121.html
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    Feb 07, 2015 7:18 PM GMT
    icon_neutral.gif The story implies that his modus operandi was to pick up young guys at beer-pong tournaments. No need to slip them a roofie - they already did that to themselves. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I can't help thinking that the victims deserve just a teeny bit of the blame here.

    Important Safety Tip: Don't roofie yourself in a pick-up bar unless you really don't care whose bed you wake up in!
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    Feb 08, 2015 6:36 AM GMT
    This is terrible!
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    Feb 08, 2015 6:59 AM GMT
    mindgarden said
    I can't help thinking that the victims deserve just a teeny bit of the blame here.

    Important Safety Tip: Don't roofie yourself in a pick-up bar unless you really don't care whose bed you wake up in!

    I agree. This same advice applies to women. The criminal is still the sexual perpetrator, who should be prosecuted. But... yah just gotta use common sense, and avoid these situations, because bad guys are out there, if you don't wanna be a victim of a sex crime.

    You can bitch about it afterwards, and maybe take him to court, but why did it happen in the first place? A little judgement on your part helps, too. It doesn't mitigate his crime, he's still fully guilty, but it may help you avoid becoming his victim in the first place.
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    Feb 08, 2015 9:04 AM GMT
    The pub's name was Looneys you said, sorry but that is ironicicon_lol.gif
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    Feb 08, 2015 9:56 AM GMT
    Why the hell were they going home with him? What are they thinking? Sounds fishy.
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    Feb 08, 2015 11:54 AM GMT
    strongbull saidWhy the hell were they going home with him? What are they thinking? Sounds fishy.


    I can't wait to see this on Law and Order SVU
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    Feb 09, 2015 7:34 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    mindgarden said
    I can't help thinking that the victims deserve just a teeny bit of the blame here.

    Important Safety Tip: Don't roofie yourself in a pick-up bar unless you really don't care whose bed you wake up in!

    I agree. This same advice applies to women. The criminal is still the sexual perpetrator, who should be prosecuted. But... yah just gotta use common sense, and avoid these situations, because bad guys are out there, if you don't wanna be a victim of a sex crime.

    You can bitch about it afterwards, and maybe take him to court, but why did it happen in the first place? A little judgement on your part helps, too. It doesn't mitigate his crime, he's still fully guilty, but it may help you avoid becoming his victim in the first place.


    Is that like a girl who wears her skirt too short she is "asking for it?"

    It's blaming the victim. In this case apparently drugged. "These situations" are abhorrent. Not normal. If someone wants to go out and play beer pong or any activity, drinking or not, they are not guilty of a damn thing. Other than having or looking for a good time.

    They shouldn't need to modify their behavior because of rare psychopaths like this. That you think "why did it happen in the first place" (hint they were DRUGGED, at that point nothing they did was VOLUNTARY) is blaming them. It empowers the assaulter. It's like terrorism, one incident can make a whole population paranoid.

    Maybe we all need sippy cup lids and straws so we can't be roofied?

    Don't blame the victims, or the bar, or the activity, or that they were gay.....there is only ONE person to blame.

    Maybe I'll go out and play some beer pong tomorrow, in the same way I decided to fly after 9/11. I won't let someone determine my behavior by being paranoid.

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    Feb 10, 2015 2:55 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    mindgarden said
    I can't help thinking that the victims deserve just a teeny bit of the blame here.

    Important Safety Tip: Don't roofie yourself in a pick-up bar unless you really don't care whose bed you wake up in!

    I agree. This same advice applies to women. The criminal is still the sexual perpetrator, who should be prosecuted. But... yah just gotta use common sense, and avoid these situations, because bad guys are out there, if you don't wanna be a victim of a sex crime.

    You can bitch about it afterwards, and maybe take him to court, but why did it happen in the first place? A little judgement on your part helps, too. It doesn't mitigate his crime, he's still fully guilty, but it may help you avoid becoming his victim in the first place.


    Is that like a girl who wears her skirt too short she is "asking for it?"

    It's blaming the victim. In this case apparently drugged. "These situations" are abhorrent. Not normal. If someone wants to go out and play beer pong or any activity, drinking or not, they are not guilty of a damn thing. Other than having or looking for a good time.

    They shouldn't need to modify their behavior because of rare psychopaths like this. That you think "why did it happen in the first place" (hint they were DRUGGED, at that point nothing they did was VOLUNTARY) is blaming them. It empowers the assaulter. It's like terrorism, one incident can make a whole population paranoid.

    Maybe we all need sippy cup lids and straws so we can't be roofied?

    Don't blame the victims, or the bar, or the activity, or that they were gay.....there is only ONE person to blame.

    Maybe I'll go out and play some beer pong tomorrow, in the same way I decided to fly after 9/11. I won't let someone determine my behavior by being paranoid.



    That's what "civilized society" is. It's monitoring and adjusting your behavior to be able to live in large groups.

    Part of being an adult is knowing that if I go with action A, this consequence could follow. Being stubborn wouldn't have stopped your plane for being blown up. As an adult, you weighed the potential consequences before making your decision. Luckily, it worked out for you. Most women get the consequential cock their hoping for when they wear tight clothes. Some unfortunately get more than they bargained for. I never drank in a bar unless there was a friend there to make sure I made it home.

    (Coming from a person who had 2 such sexual assault situations in college. Fought my way out off one. Got choked out on the second one. I knew the consequences of going to a stranger's house in the middle of the night. Still pissed about that one. Doesn't excuse anyone. Just the reality of living amongst people with different views of morality)
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    Feb 10, 2015 3:17 PM GMT
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    They shouldn't need to modify their behavior because of rare psychopaths like this. That you think "why did it happen in the first place" (hint they were DRUGGED, at that point nothing they did was VOLUNTARY) is blaming them. It empowers the assaulter.

    That is the opposite of what I've been saying. Did the article indicate these men were drugged and "roofed"? Maybe there's been an update I didn't see?

    If they were drugged this becomes a different issue. And you & I are not in disagreement.

    But based on the article (and I know these things are often not accurate), these guys made themselves drunk. Not a good idea.

    And I also said that this "Joey" who was convicted of assaulting them over a period of time was fully guilty. And I'll be happy to see him sentenced to a prison term this March.

    I'm not "blaming the victim". This guy is a criminal who deserves jail.

    At the same time, I'm saying that bad guys like this exist. And we've gotta take precautions against them, understand that this is a risk. Which includes not passing out stinking drunk at a party, or accepting drinks that may be roofies (if that was the case here) so that bad guys like "Joey" can't rape us.

    It's no different from when we're told how to protect our wallet from pickpockets. He's the criminal, he's the one who should be prosecuted fully. But hey, also know how to protect yourself from these predators. That's all I'm saying.
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    timmm55 said
    They shouldn't need to modify their behavior because of rare psychopaths like this. That you think "why did it happen in the first place" (hint they were DRUGGED, at that point nothing they did was VOLUNTARY) is blaming them. It empowers the assaulter.

    That is the opposite of what I've been saying. Did the article indicate these men were drugged and "roofed"? Maybe there's been an update I didn't see?

    If they were drugged this becomes a different issue. And you & I are not in disagreement.

    But based on the article (and I know these things are often not accurate), these guys made themselves drunk. Not a good idea.

    And I also said that this "Joey" who was convicted of assaulting them over a period of time was fully guilty. And I'll be happy to see him sentenced to a prison term this March.

    I'm not "blaming the victim". This guy is a criminal who deserves jail.

    At the same time, I'm saying that bad guys like this exist. And we've gotta take precautions against them, understand that this is a risk. Which includes not passing out stinking drunk at a party, or accepting drinks that may be roofies (if that was the case here) so that bad guys like "Joey" can't rape us.

    It's no different from when we're told how to protect our wallet from pickpockets. He's the criminal, he's the one who should be prosecuted fully. But hey, also know how to protect yourself from these predators. That's all I'm saying.


    The article does say " All were drunk at the time of the assault and were possibly drugged, police add."

    Alcohol IS a drug. Albeit a legal one. AND he bought them drinks.

    "This week, as another case of socially powerful teenage boys allegedly committing rape and seemingly getting away with it–this time in Maryville, Missouri –captivated national attention, the conversation predictably focused on the victim’s drinking. “I’m not saying she deserved to be raped,” said a defense attorney on Fox News of one of the victims, 14-year-old Daisy Coleman, adding, “She is leaving her home at 1 a.m. in the morning and nobody forced her to drink.” Slate’s Emily Yoffe claimed that “a misplaced fear of blaming the victim has made it somehow unacceptable to warn inexperienced young women that when they get wasted, they are putting themselves in potential peril.” USA Today referred to Coleman dismissively as a “drunken 14-year-old cheerleader.”

    Whether the alleged victims were “wasted” or “drunken” does matter, but not for the reasons those commentators suggested. It matters legally, because in most states, incapacitated people are unable to consent to sex, whether because they’ve drunk alcohol (even, in many states, if they’ve done so knowingly and voluntarily), taken prescription or illegal drugs, or are developmentally disabled.

    The hearings for the proposed new law happened weeks after Missouri’s own Todd Akin made famous the phrase “legitimate rape.” "

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/maryville

    As a bartender, IMHO the kids did nothing wrong whatsoever. Nothing. Nor do I think overreacting by giving the power to the rapist is productive. Like a terrorist it is a social attack also. We shouldn't be afraid to to normal things.
    I'm not against common sense, but if we all cower and lock ourselves away from predators....who wins??

    My JOB is to see that my patrons have a good time, and be responsible. Yes, they can get drunk to some extent. I don't want to over serve either. If someone wants to buy someone a drink I ask if they want one. If they accept I deliver it to them. Even after a few, if they say no and someone pressures them to have another, I say I won't. It's illegal to force someone to drink I've said.

    I make sure they get in a cab. Or have someone responsible for them....the one they came with preferably. I've warned customers about some people. Just a gut instinct at times. But this guy may have seemed OK, Jeffrey Dalmer probably seemed OK too.

    I don't think we disagree on the legality. I just hate to see good people become immobilized by fear. Have a good time, be cautious. Listen to your friends and your bartender!
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    Feb 11, 2015 5:48 AM GMT
    Of course the rapist was wrong, but you don't go home with a bar pickup unless you think something is going to happen. I have an issue with not having any accountability for one's dumb behavior.
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    Feb 11, 2015 6:27 AM GMT
    I read your headline and immediately thought it must be about a GOP legislator.
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    Feb 11, 2015 7:02 AM GMT
    The article fails to mention if the young men were self-identified as straight or gay. I think that detail is important.

    "Looney's Pub" makes me think it's a straight bar, as I know of no gay "pub." A google search does not turn up anything 'gay', so I'm thinking these were straight guys who got drugged and butt f*cked.

    This guy is a perv, and predator. Under the "prison code" I think he'll be the resident gangbang bottom. Karma, to an extent. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Update: My analysiis doesn't change whether they guys are gay or straight. I simply find that aspect interesting. It helps explain why this went on for so long, because straight guys are less likely to report being raped by a man than gay guys are. For obvious reasons.
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    Feb 11, 2015 10:41 AM GMT
    Well this ass hole fucked up and is going to jail.
    When you pull shit like that there will be consequences.
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    Feb 11, 2015 11:08 AM GMT
    strongbull saidOf course the rapist was wrong, but you don't go home with a bar pickup unless you think something is going to happen. I have an issue with not having any accountability for one's dumb behavior.


    "Whether the alleged victims were “wasted” or “drunken” does matter, but not for the reasons those commentators suggested. It matters legally, because in most states, incapacitated people are unable to consent to sex, whether because they’ve drunk alcohol (even, in many states, if they’ve done so knowingly and voluntarily), taken prescription or illegal drugs, or are developmentally disabled."

    Get it???
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    Feb 11, 2015 11:58 AM GMT
    I'm not questioning the law, I understand these protections. But there is more and more shirking of responsibility for one's own behavior. It is everyone else's fault that you got drunk, put yourself at somebody else's mercy, and they took advantage of you. People put themselves in bad situations. No one abducted them off the street. But many of you have grown up with or embraced this mindset, so I understand you expect the government to take care of you.
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    Svnw688 saidThe article fails to mention if the young men were self-identified as straight or gay. I think that detail is important.

    "Looney's Pub" makes me think it's a straight bar, as I know of no gay "pub." A google search does not turn up anything 'gay', so I'm thinking these were straight guys who got drugged and butt f*cked.

    This guy is a perv, and predator. Under the "prison code" I think he'll be the resident gangbang bottom. Karma, to an extent. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Update: My analysiis doesn't change whether they guys are gay or straight. I simply find that aspect interesting. It helps explain why this went on for so long, because straight guys are less likely to report being raped by a man than gay guys are. For obvious reasons.


    Yes - and it says he liked to take pictures of his victims too. Wow - this is the video definition of predator. He basically squires the dude back to his home. He seemed to like college boys as I see from the tape. Interesting, the dude had his number too after the incident?
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    Feb 11, 2015 1:54 PM GMT
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    Yet here you have the audacity to talk of "common sense" and hold the victim accountable?

    I don't hold any victim of sexual assault accountable. A victim is a victim, and a perpetrator is the perpetrator who committed the crime, who should be fully prosecuted. As I've already written here.

    I don't care if a guy passes out dead drunk in somebody's bed, of his own free choice, that still doesn't give anyone else the right to molest or rape him. The same applies to women who may likewise become impaired and subsequently are victims of rape.

    Getting yourself drunk is not an invitation nor authorization to have someone rape you, no more than it allows somebody to go through your pockets & wallet and rob you while you're passed out. So I hope we're in agreement on this point.

    What I AM saying is that we should simply take common sense precautions to protect ourselves. Because the world can be a dangerous place, full of bad people. It doesn't mitigate the crime, nor should it reduce the sentence imposed, and it doesn't place the blame on the innocent victim.

    But isn't it better to never have been a victim in the first place? And not make it easier for the bad guys to victimize us? I see it as a matter of knowing what the dangers are and taking reasonable precautions.

    And in that vein, that's why I posted this story here. To alert guys to the risks that are out there. And to take their own precautions against sexual predators. Not to put the blame on the victims, but to help them not to become victims. Fair enough?
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    Feb 11, 2015 7:40 PM GMT
    strongbull saidI'm not questioning the law, I understand these protections. But there is more and more shirking of responsibility for one's own behavior. It is everyone else's fault that you got drunk, put yourself at somebody else's mercy, and they took advantage of you. People put themselves in bad situations. No one abducted them off the street. But many of you have grown up with or embraced this mindset, so I understand you expect the government to take care of you.


    So the alternative is to embrace the ethos of the good-ole-days in the Wild, Wild, West, where we take the law into our own hand and deal out instant "street justice" like real men (vigilantes)? We live in a safer society than ever before, our expectations have accordingly changed. Where we diverge is that you see this as a problem, and I don't. Nobody should trick you to their house, drug and rape you. That's NOT a reasonable harm to seek to avoid. It's an unreasonable outlier you cannot accommodate in your actions and cost-benefit analysis.

    And shut the f*ck up if you're saying we drink more today than in the olden days. Don't even start with that.
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    strongbull saidI'm not questioning the law, I understand these protections. But there is more and more shirking of responsibility for one's own behavior. It is everyone else's fault that you got drunk, put yourself at somebody else's mercy, and they took advantage of you. People put themselves in bad situations. No one abducted them off the street. But many of you have grown up with or embraced this mindset, so I understand you expect the government to take care of you.


    That's ridiculous. If I get drunk then I am putting myself at somebody else's mercy?

    Where did I abdicate by rights, body and soul? By having a couple of drinks....or ten. Some people get drunk on two, some have a higher tolerance. I am therefore releasing someone from damages they can do to me? That's absurd!

    John Wayne Gacey and Jeffry Dalmer both used liquor and drugs to befriend and subdue their victims. The victims even went to their homes willingly. They didn't intentionally put themselves in a "bad situation" they thought they had a friend.

    And this is exactly what laws and government are for!

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    strongbull saidI'm not questioning the law, I understand these protections. But there is more and more shirking of responsibility for one's own behavior. It is everyone else's fault that you got drunk, put yourself at somebody else's mercy, and they took advantage of you. People put themselves in bad situations. No one abducted them off the street. But many of you have grown up with or embraced this mindset, so I understand you expect the government to take care of you.


    That's ridiculous. If I get drunk then I am putting myself at somebody else's mercy?

    Where did I abdicate by rights, body and soul? By having a couple of drinks....or ten. Some people get drunk on two, some have a higher tolerance. I am therefore releasing someone from damages they can do to me? That's absurd!

    John Wayne Gacey and Jeffry Dalmer both used liquor and drugs to befriend and subdue their victims. The victims even went to their homes willingly. They didn't intentionally put themselves in a "bad situation" they thought they had a friend.

    And this is exactly what laws and government are for!



    Why lock your doors then? Why not leave the keys in your car? The guy is a rapist and needs to go to jail. But you have to use common sense as well. There are bad people in the world and always will be. You have to look out for yourself. The law didn't help the rape victims, it just punishes the rapist later. Jeez, I never said you were releasing someone from damages done to you! Just accept some responsibility to use common sense. The end.
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    strongbull saidI'm not questioning the law, I understand these protections. But there is more and more shirking of responsibility for one's own behavior. It is everyone else's fault that you got drunk, put yourself at somebody else's mercy, and they took advantage of you. People put themselves in bad situations. No one abducted them off the street. But many of you have grown up with or embraced this mindset, so I understand you expect the government to take care of you.


    That's ridiculous. If I get drunk then I am putting myself at somebody else's mercy?

    Where did I abdicate by rights, body and soul? By having a couple of drinks....or ten. Some people get drunk on two, some have a higher tolerance. I am therefore releasing someone from damages they can do to me? That's absurd!

    John Wayne Gacey and Jeffry Dalmer both used liquor and drugs to befriend and subdue their victims. The victims even went to their homes willingly. They didn't intentionally put themselves in a "bad situation" they thought they had a friend.

    And this is exactly what laws and government are for!



    Why lock your doors then? Why not leave the keys in your car? The guy is a rapist and needs to go to jail. But you have to use common sense as well. There are bad people in the world and always will be. You have to look out for yourself. The law didn't help the rape victims, it just punishes the rapist later. Jeez, I never said you were releasing someone from damages done to you! Just accept some responsibility to use common sense. The end.


    You said, and I quote "that you .....put yourself at somebody else's mercy".

    look it up
    http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/mercy

    under the control of someone; without defense against someone.

    He does need to go to jail. But! You are blaming the victim.

    Sometimes I don't lock my doors at home. I don't in my convertible (It's been knifed when I did). So does that mean I shouldn't have a convertible? How sensible do I need to be before I am guilty of not using common sense?