POTUS, OBAMA, Throws Christianity under the Bus!

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    Feb 06, 2015 9:09 AM GMT
    Obama Compares Atrocities of ISIS to CHRISTIAN Atrocities During the Crusades and the Inquisition

    Isn't that mixing religion and politics?

    He did this at the National Prayer Breakfast, yesterday morning, Thur., 2/5/2015.
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    Feb 06, 2015 9:13 AM GMT
    Obama said, "Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ."
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    Feb 06, 2015 9:14 AM GMT
    "In our own country, slavery, Jim Crow, were all too often justified in the name of Christ."
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    Feb 06, 2015 9:16 AM GMT
    Fox News:

    We've evolved. This Islamic group is regressing. The President could have said that. He's always lecturing us.
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    Feb 06, 2015 9:18 AM GMT
    Newscaster:

    His stated point was that no God condones terror.

    My Response:

    What? What Hebrew Bible and Koran has the President been reading?
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    Feb 06, 2015 9:22 AM GMT
    "Obama FINALLY acknowledges ISIS is linked to 'Islam' - then compares it to the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and American slavery as he says: "No God condones terror'

    The report goes on to say

    President: I reject a notion that somehow that creates a religious war because the overall majority of Muslims reject that notion of Islam.

    = = =

    Bush more often called it a war on terror.

    - Newsy
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    Feb 06, 2015 9:32 AM GMT
    The Muslims did not create in atrocities during the Crusades?
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    Feb 06, 2015 3:32 PM GMT
    IT’S ON: Obama Throws Christ and Christians Under the Bus to Prop up Islam at Nat’l Prayer Breakfast

    Perhaps Obama should be reminded that both slavery and Jim Crow laws were implemented and fought for not by Christians, but by Democrats, the very party who recently booed God three times and took reference to Him out of their platform.

    http://www.tpnn.com/2015/02/05/its-on-obama-throws-christ-and-christians-under-the-bus-to-prop-up-islam-at-natl-prayer-breakfast/
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 06, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
    Christianity and Islam are based on the same mythological traditions. I think understanding where both of them came from, and the purpose of them, and how people have come to believe they're real, is an important part of realizing that they're not real. They're just manmade tribal legends used to control the masses, and they're are not worth fighting over. The universe is understood, and there are no mythological beings or evidence of supernatural phenomenon. The evidence only affirms that magic or a deity does not exist.

    The thing I disagree with Obama on is the suggestion that true religion is good. I think enlightenment is good, and religion is brainwashing. The more devoted people are to religion, the more deeply ignorant and toxic they become towards people outside of their faith.
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    Feb 06, 2015 4:20 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidChristianity and Islam are based on the same mythological traditions. I think understanding where both of them came from, and the purpose of them, and how people have come to believe they're real, is an important part of realizing that they're not real. They're just manmade tribal legends used to control the masses, and they're are not worth fighting over. The universe is understood, and there are no mythological beings or evidence of supernatural phenomenon. The evidence only affirms that magic or a deity does not exist.

    The thing I disagree with Obama on is the suggestion that true religion is good. I think enlightenment is good, and religion is brainwashing. The more devoted people are to religion, the more deeply ignorant and toxic they become towards people outside of their faith.


    "and religion is brainwashing"

    Seriously Joe, why's that?
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    Feb 06, 2015 4:23 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe universe is understood, and there are no mythological beings or evidence of supernatural phenomenon. The evidence only affirms that magic or a deity does not exist.


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    Feb 06, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
    People like Joe will spout falsehoods. He's not scientific, a good observer of all phenomena, he is not holy.

    All he can talk about is his bad reaction to religion which has corrupted his objectivity.

    He is intellectually bankrupt on this subject matter until he shows more than a political mouthpiece for untenable beliefs.
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 06, 2015 4:35 PM GMT
    ^ Of course I'm not holy. I'm not big foot, either. These things don't exist. You're just caught up in propaganda.
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    Feb 06, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidThe Muslims did not create in atrocities during the Crusades?


    Actually, the Christians were often more ruthless than the Muslims during the Crusades. I seem to recall that, during the various occupations of Jerusalem, the Crusaders slaughtered the entire Muslim population, whereas the Muslims gave the Christians safe passage out of the City.

    Ultimately though I think all religion has been pretty pernicious down the centuries, which is probably what President Obama meant.
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    Feb 06, 2015 6:22 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidPeople like Joe will spout falsehoods. He's not scientific, a good observer of all phenomena, he is not holy.

    All he can talk about is his bad reaction to religion which has corrupted his objectivity.

    He is intellectually bankrupt on this subject matter until he shows more than a political mouthpiece for untenable beliefs.


    I think it's likely that it's a RL really pornographic alter boi story 'behind' it all.

    Some folks get bent out of shape. Joe got bent over.
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 06, 2015 6:25 PM GMT
    POTUS, OBAMA, Throws Christianity under the Bus!

    Good! I hope it gets squashed by the tires. All Obama was doing was telling the redneck rightwing Christian Republicans to stop acting sanctimonious. Sometimes I think these people have never read the New Testament.
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    Feb 06, 2015 11:48 PM GMT
    It seems to me that the point was that we don't condemn all Christians for the actions of the distant past, or recent past for that matter, by extremists such as the Klan, anti-abortion bombers, etc. acting "in the name of God/Christ" or whatever. Most Christians today are fine upstanding people, with some exceptions.

    We should remember this and not associate all Muslims with the violence perpetrated by extremists in their ranks.
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    Feb 06, 2015 11:50 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidObama said, "Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ."


    Here, he went out of the way by at least hundreds of years to take a swipe at Christianity.

    500 years ago for the Inquisition.

    900 years ago for the Crusades.
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    Feb 06, 2015 11:57 PM GMT
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    StephenOABC saidThe Muslims did not create any atrocities during the Crusades?


    Actually, the Christians were often more ruthless than the Muslims during the Crusades.


    Wait a second. The West didn't just start the Crusades? Look at this:

    638--Jerusalem surrenders to a Muslim army. Muslims soon begin construction of a mosque on the Temple Mount. The leader of Jerusalem wept as he said: "Truly this is the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet."

    640s--Egypt and Armenia fall to Islam.

    655--Muslims win a naval battle with the Byzantines; Muslims almost capture the Byzantine emperor.

    711-712--Muslims invade Spain and kill the king. After the collapse of the Spanish army, Muslims begin sending raiding parties into France.

    717--In the East, Muslims besiege Constantinople, the Byzantine capital.

    732--The Muslim invasion of France is stopped at the Battle of Tours (though Muslims would continue raiding France for a long period).

    800s--Muslims launch invasions of Sicily, Sardinia, and Corsica (south-central Europe). Muslims establish pirate havens along the coast of Italy and France.

    846--Muslims attack the outer areas of Rome.

    1009--An unorthodox Muslim leader named Hakim (a vicious persecutor of Christians and Jews) orders the destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. Many Jews and Christians flee persecution.

    1071--A Byzantine army is defeated by invading Muslims. In the years to come, Byzantine emperors send numerous appeals to Rome for help.

    1091--Muslim leaders expel all Christian priests from the Holy Land.

    1095--Christians and non-Christians in Europe begin preparing for the First Crusade.

    1099--Crusaders take Jerusalem.

    How do Muslims portray these events? The Muslim version of history goes something like this: "Muslims were just sitting around in the Middle East, minding their own business, living in peace with everyone, when a bunch of evil Christians decided to go on a killing spree." Of course, the invading European army committed all kinds of atrocities during the Crusades, as did the Muslim army. But we have to face the facts. The Crusades only happened because Europeans wanted to protect themselves from the invading Muslim armies. Like it or not, the Crusades did help stop the Muslim invasion of Europe.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Feb 07, 2015 12:09 AM GMT
    StephenOABC saidObama said, "Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ."


    This is not what he said. Here is the transcript of the section, in context, that has everyone up in arms. I've underlined and highlighted in bold the part you got wrong, which changes the meaning completely.

    "We see sectarian war in Syria, the murder of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, religious war in the Central African Republic, a rising tide of anti-Semitism and hate crimes in Europe, so often perpetrated in the name of religion.

    "So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities -- the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?

    "Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ. Michelle and I returned from India -- an incredible, beautiful country, full of magnificent diversity -- but a place where, in past years, religious faiths of all types have, on occasion, been targeted by other peoples of faith, simply due to their heritage and their beliefs -- acts of intolerance that would have shocked Gandhiji, the person who helped to liberate that nation.

    "So this is not unique to one group or one religion. There is a tendency in us, a sinful tendency that can pervert and distort our faith. In today's world, when hate groups have their own Twitter accounts and bigotry can fester in hidden places in cyberspace, it can be even harder to counteract such intolerance. But God compels us to try. And in this mission, I believe there are a few principles that can guide us, particularly those of us who profess to believe."

    As you can see, in context, it is not a swipe at Christianity at all. He is demonstrating that what we are facing from ISIS, etc., today is nothing new, and making a call to arms for people of all faiths to join the battle against all violent religious extremism.

    He also reminds us that we are among the most religious countries, because we have the separation of church and state and people aren't compelled to follow any particular religion.

    Here is the entire transcript:
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/obama-national-prayer-breakfast-2015-text-transcript-and-full-video-the-starting-point-of-faith-is-some-doubt-133638/
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    Feb 07, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidIt seems to me that the point was that we don't condemn all Christians for the actions of the distant past, or recent past for that matter, by extremists such as the Klan, anti-abortion bombers, etc. acting "in the name of God/Christ" or whatever. Most Christians today are fine upstanding people, with some exceptions.

    We should remember this and not associate all Muslims with the violence perpetrated by extremists in their ranks.


    Agreed!
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    Feb 07, 2015 12:44 AM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidIt seems to me that the point was that we don't condemn all Christians for the actions of the distant past, or recent past for that matter, by extremists such as the Klan, anti-abortion bombers, etc. acting "in the name of God/Christ" or whatever. Most Christians today are fine upstanding people, with some exceptions.

    We should remember this and not associate all Muslims with the violence perpetrated by extremists in their ranks.


    Yes and we have heard this point from Professor Obama over and over again.

    The issue is that we have heard this over and over from him. It does not address the fact that ISIL is gaining strength. And we have /had hostages that these very words from POTUS can be used as propaganda and justification to harm them.

    Its another course in his lecture series.
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    Feb 07, 2015 12:51 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    Physiqueflex saidIt seems to me that the point was that we don't condemn all Christians for the actions of the distant past, or recent past for that matter, by extremists such as the Klan, anti-abortion bombers, etc. acting "in the name of God/Christ" or whatever. Most Christians today are fine upstanding people, with some exceptions.

    We should remember this and not associate all Muslims with the violence perpetrated by extremists in their ranks.


    Yes and we have heard this point from Professor Obama over and over again.

    The issue is that we have heard this over and over from him. It does not address the fact that ISIL is gaining strength. And we have /had hostages that these very words from POTUS can be used as propaganda and justification to harm them.

    Its another course in his lecture series.


    No, it does not address that issue, directly. There is another fact that the number of ISIL's enemies are growing and gaining strength too, and that is the issue the president is directly addressing here, IMO. If we're fighting amongst ourselves about which religion is the most violent (answer: none), then we are not as strong against ISIL as we can be, or need to be.

    That is why I appreciate the subtle change in language. The president used the word "terror" only three times in this speech. I think we have to stop referring to the threat as "terrorism", and keep calling it something more accurate, like "violent religious extremism".

    Also, giving lectures is part of what a president does.
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    Feb 07, 2015 12:54 AM GMT
    Regina also saw the underside of a bus

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    Feb 07, 2015 1:43 AM GMT
    Physiqueflex said
    musclmed said
    Physiqueflex saidIt seems to me that the point was that we don't condemn all Christians for the actions of the distant past, or recent past for that matter, by extremists such as the Klan, anti-abortion bombers, etc. acting "in the name of God/Christ" or whatever. Most Christians today are fine upstanding people, with some exceptions.

    We should remember this and not associate all Muslims with the violence perpetrated by extremists in their ranks.


    Yes and we have heard this point from Professor Obama over and over again.

    The issue is that we have heard this over and over from him. It does not address the fact that ISIL is gaining strength. And we have /had hostages that these very words from POTUS can be used as propaganda and justification to harm them.

    Its another course in his lecture series.


    No, it does not address that issue, directly. There is another fact that the number of ISIL's enemies are growing and gaining strength too, and that is the issue the president is directly addressing here, IMO. If we're fighting amongst ourselves about which religion is the most violent (answer: none), then we are not as strong against ISIL as we can be, or need to be.

    That is why I appreciate the subtle change in language. The president used the word "terror" only three times in this speech. I think we have to stop referring to the threat as "terrorism", and keep calling it something more accurate, like "violent religious extremism".

    Also, giving lectures is part of what a president does.

    If we really want to be accurate, why don't we name the specific religion this extremism is coming from rather than "violent religious extremism"?