Drones!

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    Feb 07, 2015 2:30 AM GMT
    Who's got drones? What do you do with them?

    So, I bought into this kickstarter mini-drone that is supposed to basically fly itself and follow your phone around to take selfies or w/e. The video suckered me in, and I figure I need some better way to take sailing photos. But it won't be ready until summer.



    Meanwhile, I bought one of these cheap toy versions to learn how to work 'em manually. Just so that I don't crash and burn the expensive one, unnecessarily. Finally had time to open the package tonight.

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    Harder than it looks! Probably should have started out on the lawn, away from the furniture. Ran through the first two batteries and trashed the first set of propellers before discovering the propeller guard, taped to the under-side of the packaging. icon_redface.gif

    Dang it, my nieces have been flying one of these things for years. It can't be that hard. Hmm... has anybody seen the cats lately?
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    Feb 07, 2015 4:26 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidI figure I need some better way to take sailing photos.

    Reminds me of KAP, kite aerial photography. You use a kite that can handle a load and hang a camera from it.

    I like the idea of the drone following you. Doesn't look like it has GPS? Then you could plot a course for it to follow; imagine having it circle around your property like a guard dog.
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    Feb 07, 2015 5:02 AM GMT
    Yeah, the problems with kites are that the air is too turbulent around here. Except right on the river. And there I'm usually too busy sailing to go up on the foredeck and fly a kite. Gotta get out in the open ocean for that.

    And Zano does have gps. And it's open source. People are already working on tying it into security systems. It couldn't orbit all the time though. Battery life is pretty limited. It might go up at intervals (if it can land precisely enough to hit the charger contacts) or fly on alarm.

    There are people on the webz saying that it the specs for this thing are impossible. We will see...
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    Feb 07, 2015 6:13 AM GMT
    I wonder when the new GPS system that the Europeans are working on will be ready? I think its resolution was under 2 centimeters. Wow. With that and if you had one of those chargers like for phones where you lay the phone on it then it could land on that to recharge.

    Hrm, 1 meter for mere mortals: http://tinyurl.com/5nsbyd

    Maybe have a bulls-eye that the camera could use to get closer after it gets within 1 meter of the landing pad.
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    Feb 07, 2015 6:24 AM GMT
    Well that is how the charger is designed. And one dude is working on VR code landing pads that the camera will recognize. Only problem... The camera doesn't point straight down? A feature that I requested for other reasons. It can also followb I R or WiFi signals. Lots of hardware crammed into the package. It's just up to programmers to make it dance.

    Their demo video shows it landing in the users hand icon_eek.gif
    After playing with the manual unit for a day, that seems even more impressive. (less so if it was just video running in reverse. )
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    Feb 07, 2015 6:54 AM GMT
    Does sound cool.
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    Feb 09, 2015 7:33 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidWho's got drones?

    Me...a DJI Phantom 2 with the Zenmuse H3-3D Gimbal for GoPro, and a cheap toy drone on order, just for fun.

    mindgarden saidWhat do you do with them?

    This:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt5P_3Aj05M
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    Feb 09, 2015 2:41 PM GMT
    mindgarden said... mini-drone that is supposed to basically fly itself and follow your phone around to take selfies or w/e... better way to take sailing photos...
    will this new toy last as long as the last relationship?
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    Feb 09, 2015 6:08 PM GMT
    Hey, I have deep, meaningful relationships with my toys. At least the ones that I keep.

    Meanwhile, in anticipation of other people's drones over my property, maybe I should get out granddads old double-barrel and practice skeet shooting icon_confused.gif
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    Feb 09, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
    Paulflexes' video did make me smile but it made me wonder, what's the limit for how far the remote works with these things?

    Wasn't Amazon talking about using drones for delivering packages? How would they keep in touch with their drones, cell phone?
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    Feb 09, 2015 8:09 PM GMT
    Most of the toys are "line of sight." Federal regulations that are shaping up require eyeballs on the device at all times. But with new GPS-controlled software, and automatic obstacle-avoidance, you can conceivably program them to fly an autonomous mission. If the Zano project succeeds, it and others like it will remove the requirement for any skill on the part of the pilot operator.
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    Feb 09, 2015 8:15 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidyou can conceivably program them to fly an autonomous mission.

    It sounded to me like the Zano puts all the smarts into the controlling software on your phone/laptop. They talk about the SDK being available for iOS, Android, and Windows.

    I think google has an embedded version of android, and there are several flavors of embedded linux. Maybe the next iteration of the Zano will have one of those.
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    Feb 10, 2015 4:07 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidMost of the toys are "line of sight." Federal regulations that are shaping up require eyeballs on the device at all times. But with new GPS-controlled software, and automatic obstacle-avoidance, you can conceivably program them to fly an autonomous mission. If the Zano project succeeds, it and others like it will remove the requirement for any skill on the part of the pilot operator.
    The Phantom 2 can do autonomous missions (programmable by waypoints), but it has no obstacle-avoidance system...yet.

    Maybe it should. icon_lol.gif
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_EjQRgmRpc
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    Feb 11, 2015 5:21 AM GMT
    Republican bill would add a year to any sentence for a crime involving a drone!
    WTF?
    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/02/washington_bill_seeks_to_add_y.html#incart_river

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    Feb 11, 2015 6:17 AM GMT
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    Sorry ... couldn't help myself icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 11, 2015 8:42 PM GMT
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    Sorry ... couldn't help myself icon_lol.gif
    Maybe that's why the honeybee population is dwindling...there's just too much restricted airspace where their drones can't fly.
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    Feb 13, 2015 1:06 AM GMT
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    You better watch out brah, yer neighbor's drone is watching you! icon_twisted.gif
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    Feb 15, 2015 8:50 PM GMT
    FAA releases proposed drone rules:

    https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/us-issues-rules-governing-drones-180428362.html

    http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=18295

    Not sure I'm happy with "daylight hours only." I can imagine uses for night-time images.

    All operators must take a test every 2 years and get a TSA background check! Seems a little over-the-top for nano-copters.

    A person can only be the operator for one drone at a time - that seems to eliminate the Zano "swarming" feature...
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    Feb 15, 2015 9:07 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidget a TSA background check! Seems a little over-the-top for nano-copters.

    Remember the anthrax scare? Drones would be ideal for biological warfare.
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    Feb 15, 2015 9:43 PM GMT

    lol the criminal applications for drones is nothing short of jaw dropping. Enjoy the freedom of having one while you can, because it's about to change.
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    Feb 15, 2015 10:12 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    mindgarden saidget a TSA background check! Seems a little over-the-top for nano-copters.

    Remember the anthrax scare? Drones would be ideal for biological warfare.


    Actually, no they wouldn't. But I suppose what matters is what people are scared of, not what is really risky.
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    Feb 15, 2015 10:14 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    lol the criminal applications for drones is nothing short of jaw dropping. Enjoy the freedom of having one while you can, because it's about to change.


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    http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s18e05-the-magic-bush
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    Feb 15, 2015 10:36 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidFAA releases proposed drone rules:

    https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/us-issues-rules-governing-drones-180428362.html

    http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=18295

    Not sure I'm happy with "daylight hours only." I can imagine uses for night-time images.

    All operators must take a test every 2 years and get a TSA background check! Seems a little over-the-top for nano-copters.

    A person can only be the operator for one drone at a time - that seems to eliminate the Zano "swarming" feature...
    The daylight rule, testing rule, and single drone rule only apply to commercial operators...not recreational operators.

    I'll be applying for a commercial waiver later this year, because a few airplane owners want me to get footage of their planes from a vantage point that they can't get with another plane or helicopter. This is why I'm getting a second, smaller drone for recreational use.
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    Oct 19, 2015 8:02 PM GMT
    I knew it would happen.

    Federal regulators to require registration of recreational drones

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-regulators-to-require-registration-of-recreational-drones/2015/10/19/434961be-7664-11e5-a958-d889faf561dc_story.html
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    Oct 19, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidI knew it would happen.

    Federal regulators to require registration of recreational drones

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-regulators-to-require-registration-of-recreational-drones/2015/10/19/434961be-7664-11e5-a958-d889faf561dc_story.html


    But not weapons. So just strap a gun or a grenade to it and say that it's a part of your constitutionally-protected weapons system!

    BTW, the kickstarter drone in the OP turned out to be a scam. But lots of new stuff that actually works has come out since then.