Alabama Courts Defy Federal Ruling on Gay Marriages

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    Feb 09, 2015 10:42 PM GMT
    Either Alabama should secede again, or follow the Constitution. Reminds me of the history of Alabama Governor Wallace defying federal courts when they ordered schools to be segregated.


    It would be great if we will get to see a bunch of Alabama judges and court clerks behind bars in a federal lock-up on contempt of court charges. And Alabama counties having to pay millions in attorneys fees for their unsuccessful attempt to thwart orders of federal courts.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-37th-state-sex-marriages/story?id=28836644
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 09, 2015 10:55 PM GMT
    Support the ACLU. This is the logical outcome of the Republican stupidity of firing up the true believers into thinking any government mandate is something they can take or leave. Send the ACLU a check and let them manage the situation through the wheels of government.
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    Feb 09, 2015 10:59 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidSupport the ACLU. This is the logical outcome of the Republican stupidity of firing up the true believers into thinking any government mandate is something they can take or leave. Send the ACLU a check and let them manage the situation through the wheels of government.



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    Feb 10, 2015 12:16 AM GMT
    Amazing developments.
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    Feb 10, 2015 1:00 AM GMT
    This is the kind of shit you support when you vote Republican.
  • KissTheSky

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    Feb 10, 2015 3:01 AM GMT
    Radd saidThis is the kind of shit you support when you vote Republican.


    Exactly right.

    And isn't it interesting how much the Republicans love to blather on about how much they respect the Constitution, but don't mind shi**ing on it if it means they get to bash some minorities in the process.

    These Republican bigots are a national embarrassment, and I agree they should all be fired from their jobs if they can't perform them with integrity... the next step is to jail them.
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    Feb 10, 2015 4:39 AM GMT
    KissTheSky said
    ...the next step is to jail them.

    Actually they may be legally in open rebellion against the United States. Even Republican President Eisenhower used military troops in the 1950s when a Federal Court ruling was ignored regarding school segregation in the South.

    I hate to say it, but President Obama is demonstrating a lack of balls. Both domestically & internationally. He really has become one of the weakest Presidents in my memory. Well meaning, but weak.

    Not that I would want a worse Republican alternative, but when is he going to demonstrate that he has a spine? Alabama is effectively in open rebellion, both its Governor and Chief Justice.

    What now, Mr. President? Or are you going to let this defiance of the Federal Courts spread to other States, and set a precedent? Because it will, if you don't take action to suppress this quickly, just like Eisenhower did 60 years ago.
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    Feb 10, 2015 4:57 AM GMT
    ^^Which is exactly the fantasy that the Tin-Foil-Hat Brigade (right-wing division) has been jerking off over for seven years.
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    Feb 10, 2015 5:11 AM GMT
    mindgarden said^^Which is exactly the fantasy that the Tin-Foil-Hat Brigade (right-wing division) has been jerking off over for seven years.

    Well I've guess they've won. Because this President won't do anything to restore the Federal balance in the Constitution. He's caved to the Teabaggers. And States' Rights now supersede the US Constitution.

    I expect that Hillary will have more balls than Obama, if she becomes the next President. I wanted her to win in 2008. I can't wait for her to replace him.
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    Feb 10, 2015 5:34 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    KissTheSky said
    ...the next step is to jail them.

    Actually they may be legally in open rebellion against the United States. Even Republican President Eisenhower used military troops in the 1950s when a Federal Court ruling was ignored regarding school segregation in the South.

    I hate to say it, but President Obama is demonstrating a lack of balls. Both domestically & internationally. He really has become one of the weakest Presidents in my memory. Well meaning, but weak.

    Not that I would want a worse Republican alternative, but when is he going to demonstrate that he has a spine? Alabama is effectively in open rebellion, both its Governor and Chief Justice.

    What now, Mr. President? Or are you going to let this defiance of the Federal Courts spread to other States, and set a precedent? Because it will, if you don't take action to suppress this quickly, just like Eisenhower did 60 years ago.

    Motions for contempt of court are already being filed against the clerks and judges who refuse to comply with the ruling. It's going to be so sweet.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 10, 2015 1:52 PM GMT
    This latest act of unlawful defiance by the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs against marital equality in Alabama is clearly a last gasp act of desperation to preserve the last negative vestige of the bad old daysicon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 10, 2015 2:30 PM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    Motions for contempt of court are already being filed against the clerks and judges who refuse to comply with the ruling. It's going to be so sweet.

    Sweet, like molasses. Which is how slow that process is gonna continue to be. And who'll enforce those contempt citations? US armed troops, or Federal marshals? Not under Obama, he hasn't got the balls for it. He's no General Eisenhower in the 1950s, who used armed military troops to force school desegregation in the South.

    What they're actually betting on is that the US Supreme Court will ultimately rule against same-sex marriage, and the Bible-thumpers will win. So they're trying to run out the clock, like in a sports game. And they may indeed win, because we don't know how this often erratic & unpredictable Supreme Court will decide.

    No, they're playing this game out to the last second. And even then their final fallback position is a US constitutional amendment to prohibit same-sex marriage, that all courts must obey and cannot overturn. Which Republicans in Congress are already preparing.

    And with Republicans in charge of the majority of the State governments (some don't require a popular vote by the people, their legislature alone passes a proposed US constitutional amendment), such a prospect is not unthinkable. And that is exactly what these Republican extremists are thinking.
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    Feb 10, 2015 4:21 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    libertpaulian said
    Motions for contempt of court are already being filed against the clerks and judges who refuse to comply with the ruling. It's going to be so sweet.

    Sweet, like molasses. Which is how slow that process is gonna continue to be. And who'll enforce those contempt citations? US armed troops, or Federal marshals? Not under Obama, he hasn't got the balls for it. He's no General Eisenhower in the 1950s, who used armed military troops to force school desegregation in the South.

    What they're actually betting on is that the US Supreme Court will ultimately rule against same-sex marriage, and the Bible-thumpers will win. So they're trying to run out the clock, like in a sports game. And they may indeed win, because we don't know how this often erratic & unpredictable Supreme Court will decide.

    No, they're playing this game out to the last second. And even then their final fallback position is a US constitutional amendment to prohibit same-sex marriage, that all courts must obey and cannot overturn. Which Republicans in Congress are already preparing.

    And with Republicans in charge of the majority of the State governments (some don't require a popular vote by the people, their legislature alone passes a proposed US constitutional amendment), such a prospect is not unthinkable. And that is exactly what these Republican extremists are thinking.


    Here's how SCOTUS quickly resolved the impasse last night - and neatly disposed of Art's latest not-so-soft parade of horribles:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/alabama-judge-attempts-to-block-same-sex-marriages-1423494040?mod=WSJ_hps_MIDDLE_Video_Top
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    Feb 12, 2015 7:58 PM GMT
    Like talking to a wall, he must think he is "ordained", religion has brainwashed many of the gullible icon_rolleyes.gif

    Putting KKK in charge of interpreting state or any law is usually not a good thing

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    Feb 13, 2015 4:22 AM GMT

    Fed Judge Callie Granade put her judicial foot down, must be hard to take orders from a women, with more power too, poor Roy icon_cry.gif


    Federal Judge Orders Alabama Official To Stop Denying Marriage Licenses To Same-Sex Couples
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/12/alabama-gay-marriage_n_6670838.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592


    Four same-sex couples requested a hearing with Granade to clear up the confusion over the issue in the state. Her order came a few hours after the hearing concluded Thursday afternoon. Granade's order was directed specifically at Mobile County Probate Court Judge Don Davis, who has refused to give licenses to same-sex couples, but it also negates the arguments of other probate judges who have been refusing to follow her earlier decision.

    In her order, Granade said Davis may not deny marriage licenses "on the ground that Plaintiffs constitute same-sex couples or because it is prohibited by the Sanctity of Marriage Amendment and the Alabama Marriage Protection Act or by any other Alabama law or Order pertaining to same-sex marriage." In other words, the federal decision trumps the state laws.

    And shortly after Granade's order, Mobile began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
  • bobbobbob

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    Feb 13, 2015 8:14 AM GMT
    I've been listening to a Montgomery morning talk radio station since this began and calling in.

    I've been an occasional listener for several year now just to stay informed of what they are doing there. This time my reason for calling in has been to follow up on a prediction I made of the air when Roy Moore was running his second campaign for chief of their supreme court. Call it rubbing salt in a wound if you like.

    For those who don't know about Moore here's some brief background on him.

    He started as a democrat running for judge in the 1980s and was defeated. He switched to the GOP and became a vehement christian demagogue to win his second election. He rose to local notoriety in the 1990s as an Alabama circuit judge who posted the ten commandments in his courtroom where he conducted prayers before hearings. At that time he was becoming a popular speaker for fundamentalist churches.

    Soon thereafter he was appointed to fill a vacant circuit judge position in rural Etowah county. Placing his ten commandments plaque in the courtroom and conducting prayers in court brought more attention to him. It was ultimately declared unconstitutional.

    In the summer of 2001 in the early morning hours, Moore secretly moved a multi ton then commandments monument into the atrium of the State Supreme Court building without consulting any of the judges and bringing in a fundamentalist financed film crew to document it. The outrage was immediate. All the other supreme court justices spoke up against it. Moore refused to have it moved out.
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    Days later suits were filed against Moore to have the rock removed. He refused. For business, I was in Montgomery on the morning of September 11, 2001 and saw the mob of Moore's supporters who were camping out on the steps of the SC building, the main street of downtown along with armies of media. The people who were there were from as far as New York and Nevada according to tags I saw on cars decorated with signs.

    In 2002 he made a ruling against a lesbian in a child custody case with language that shocked many people. (you can find it most likely on wikipedia) It and the laws he based his ruling on were declared unconstitutional by SCOTUS.

    During the fall of 2002 when all appeals were exhausted, the monument was ordered to be removed. Moore refused and some month later was removed from office in spite of mobs of supporters.

    Prior to 2004 he was pushed by his supporters to run for president but didn't. In 2006 and 2010 he ran for governor of Alabama and was defeated.

    In 2012 he ran for and won the chief justice position from which he'd been removed.

    Before he won that election I called the talk radio station in Montgomery to predict if elected once again Moore would once again make Alabama look like a state of fools.

    The host, Dan Morris, asked me what I based that prediction on.

    I answered, "his name is Roy Moore and it's what he does best, isn't it?"


    Dan Morris laughed at me and hung up. Yes, I enjoy rubbing salt in that wound; almost daily, in fact.

    Moore is possibly one of the most frightening power hungry demagouges ever to rise out of the christian fundamentalist movement. He contends all US law is the product of the Bible, and that biblical law supercedes all other law.

    Here's a link to his biggest financial supporter who lives in Maryland.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Peroutka

    He's also associated with ultra fundamentalists in Australia.



    He is the face of the US christian Taliban.