Why in the world do Republicans oppose keeping the Internet neutral? How can such a policy be for the 'better good'?

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    Feb 13, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
    In today's world, who can argue that the internet is anything but a utility? When I plan a move, setting up my ISP is right up there with my electricity, gas and water. Why should ISP's be allowed to slow down the speed of a content provider if that provider offers a service that competes with them or allow another one faster speed for a price. That's like the electric company charging one energy producer more than another to use the same power lines.

    Why is this a partisan issue?
    My gut instinct tells me that it has something to do with where the telecom industry and their lobbyists spend their money.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/02/fcc-net-neutrality-feb-vote_n_6408854.html
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 13, 2015 4:47 PM GMT
    Of course. I'm sure they targeted the most easily bought Republicans because they knew Obama and the Dems could never do that politically. While the Repukes and Faux News will just scream net neutrality will kill jobs. The only thing that has killed jobs in the last couple of decades is a Repuke in the White House though control of Congress may be enough.
  • tj85016

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    Feb 13, 2015 5:00 PM GMT
    telecom and banks always win these battles - the money is just too deep
  • tazzari

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    Feb 13, 2015 7:44 PM GMT
    "The better good" for the network owners. I mean, what could be better, or more good?
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    Feb 14, 2015 12:09 AM GMT
    Obama's Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable so his Net Neutrality Act won't be any better.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Feb 14, 2015 12:49 AM GMT
    Unfortunately we won't be able to see the new regulations until the commissioners have voted on them. It looks like they'll approve it with only one commissioner expected to deny it. I suspect that the talking points the lone dissenter is using are largely overblown, like those used in relation to the ACA, so while skeptical, I'm hopeful it will do what proponents are saying.
  • musclmed

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    Feb 14, 2015 1:09 AM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidUnfortunately we won't be able to see the new regulations until the commissioners have voted on them. It looks like they'll approve it with only one commissioner expected to deny it. I suspect that the talking points the lone dissenter is using are largely overblown, like those used in relation to the ACA, so while skeptical, I'm hopeful it will do what proponents are saying.


    Yes but with the ACA, the architect of the law admitted to lying about the law.

    Proving the "overblown" predictions to be in many ways true.
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    Feb 14, 2015 3:53 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    Physiqueflex saidUnfortunately we won't be able to see the new regulations until the commissioners have voted on them. It looks like they'll approve it with only one commissioner expected to deny it. I suspect that the talking points the lone dissenter is using are largely overblown, like those used in relation to the ACA, so while skeptical, I'm hopeful it will do what proponents are saying.


    Yes but with the ACA, the architect of the law admitted to lying about the law.

    Proving the "overblown" predictions to be in many ways true.


    Overblown predictions?
    Where are all the jobs the ACA was supposed to have killed?
  • musclmed

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    Feb 14, 2015 4:39 AM GMT
    Koastal said
    musclmed said
    Physiqueflex saidUnfortunately we won't be able to see the new regulations until the commissioners have voted on them. It looks like they'll approve it with only one commissioner expected to deny it. I suspect that the talking points the lone dissenter is using are largely overblown, like those used in relation to the ACA, so while skeptical, I'm hopeful it will do what proponents are saying.


    Yes but with the ACA, the architect of the law admitted to lying about the law.

    Proving the "overblown" predictions to be in many ways true.


    Overblown predictions?
    Where are all the jobs the ACA was supposed to have killed?


    The effective unemployment rate is over 11%.
    We have the lowest workforce participation rate in generations.
    Again the architect admitted it was based on a series of lies to get it passed.

    Surprising you would mention the ACA in the context of expectations. Considering the law and its implementation are basically whatever the Presidents wants you to know.

    Even this week the President blasted Staples for cutting peoples hours for the ACA. When the absolute opposite was true. Staples provides healthcare to part time workers.


    “Unfortunately, the president appears not to have all the facts,” Mark Cautela Sr., the Public Relations Manager for Staples said in a statement to Breitbart News. “The initial story was misleading as our policy regarding part-time employees is more than a decade old. It predates the Affordable Care Act by several years"


    You seem to be aligned in the President in the way you "ASSUME" based on ideology and shoot from the hip without actually knowing what your are talking about.
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    Feb 14, 2015 2:40 PM GMT
    People dont understand, the republican / democrat play is just a good cop/ bad cop thing. The democrats frame it as they are protecting you from the evil corporation. Then blame the republicans. The republican use that to their advantage, because they are enabled to go for corporate needs. The dems just wait and get the cash they need. Fight just a little. Then both parties and business get cash.
  • tj85016

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    Feb 14, 2015 5:16 PM GMT
    JerseyAthletic saidPeople dont understand, the republican / democrat play is just a good cop/ bad cop thing. The democrats frame it as they are protecting you from the evil corporation. Then blame the republicans. The republican use that to their advantage, because they are enabled to go for corporate needs. The dems just wait and get the cash they need. Fight just a little. Then both parties and business get cash.


    pretty much
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 14, 2015 5:19 PM GMT
    JerseyAthletic saidPeople dont understand, the republican / democrat play is just a good cop/ bad cop thing. The democrats frame it as they are protecting you from the evil corporation. Then blame the republicans. The republican use that to their advantage, because they are enabled to go for corporate needs. The dems just wait and get the cash they need. Fight just a little. Then both parties and business get cash.
    Thank you, +200,000
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    Feb 14, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
    The Net needs to be regulated in the same way power and traditional telecomm has been.

    Power doesn't cost more for your dishwasher than your clothes washer.

    The GOP has nearly always been the party that preys upon the ignorant and extracts wealth from those ignorant people.

    In the case of The Internet, the transport should be neutral. X amount of dollars for that transport. It's what you paid for. In essence, carriers now want to hold you popular services hostage to additional fees, although the government, and you, have already paid for the substandard infrastructure they provide (we have the 24'th fastest internet...not even close to Europe or Asia, or even some third world countries).

    If The GOP, Koch, and big business, has their way, it goes against the very premise of our constitution, designed to protect the minority. It will kill business / innovation, because the cost of entry will be too high. And, rich folks don't create jobs. Economics 101. Middle class folks spending money creates jobs...not the preservation of wealth. E.g., energy cost reductions have been a major economic pump lately.

    The telcos, railroads.....common carriers, are all heavily regulated....as they should be. So does The Internet.

    Pure capitalism is a plan for FAILURE. Ever play Monopoly? Point made. Government regulates a thriving economy....makes it thrive...
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    Feb 14, 2015 7:55 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    Koastal said
    musclmed said
    Physiqueflex saidUnfortunately we won't be able to see the new regulations until the commissioners have voted on them. It looks like they'll approve it with only one commissioner expected to deny it. I suspect that the talking points the lone dissenter is using are largely overblown, like those used in relation to the ACA, so while skeptical, I'm hopeful it will do what proponents are saying.


    Yes but with the ACA, the architect of the law admitted to lying about the law.

    Proving the "overblown" predictions to be in many ways true.


    Overblown predictions?
    Where are all the jobs the ACA was supposed to have killed?


    The effective unemployment rate is over 11%.
    We have the lowest workforce participation rate in generations.
    Again the architect admitted it was based on a series of lies to get it passed.

    Surprising you would mention the ACA in the context of expectations. Considering the law and its implementation are basically whatever the Presidents wants you to know.

    Even this week the President blasted Staples for cutting peoples hours for the ACA. When the absolute opposite was true. Staples provides healthcare to part time workers.


    “Unfortunately, the president appears not to have all the facts,” Mark Cautela Sr., the Public Relations Manager for Staples said in a statement to Breitbart News. “The initial story was misleading as our policy regarding part-time employees is more than a decade old. It predates the Affordable Care Act by several years"


    You seem to be aligned in the President in the way you "ASSUME" based on ideology and shoot from the hip without actually knowing what your are talking about.


    I assume nothing. I asked a simple question. Show me all the jobs killed by the ACA. You have failed to provide an answer. The thread is about the. Internet. If you want to discuss the ACA doctor to doctor, I'd be happy to. Shoot me an email.
  • conservativej...

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    Feb 14, 2015 9:13 PM GMT
    Hum. ObamaCare for the Internet. You guys hang on for the increased cost of your Internet connection.