Chelsea Manning (previously Bradley Manning) Thread. Chelsea Manning begins hunger strike protest

  • metta

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    Feb 13, 2015 4:37 PM GMT

    The OP of the original thread has not updated the title so I'm moving it to a new thread.




    Original Thread
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3274414
  • metta

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    Feb 13, 2015 4:38 PM GMT
    Chelsea Manning will be allowed hormone treatment but is being forced to keep a 'male' haircut

    Jailed whistleblower is allowed to transition, a first for the armed forces in the US



    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/chelsea-manning-will-be-allowed-hormone-treatment-being-forced-keep-male-haircut130215
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    Feb 13, 2015 11:15 PM GMT
    metta8 saidChelsea Manning will be allowed hormone treatment but is being forced to keep a 'male' haircut

    Jailed whistleblower is allowed to transition, a first for the armed forces in the US

    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/chelsea-manning-will-be-allowed-hormone-treatment-being-forced-keep-male-haircut130215


    Really great. A convicted spy gets to change his sex - and all at the taxpayers' expense, too! This scum is not worthy of our or any other rational person's support.
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    Feb 14, 2015 12:17 AM GMT
    MGINSD said
    metta8 saidChelsea Manning will be allowed hormone treatment but is being forced to keep a 'male' haircut

    Jailed whistleblower is allowed to transition, a first for the armed forces in the US

    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/chelsea-manning-will-be-allowed-hormone-treatment-being-forced-keep-male-haircut130215


    Really great. A convicted spy gets to change his sex - and all at the taxpayers' expense, too! This scum is not worthy of our or any other rational person's support.


    So you think the German's soldiers in WWII were all innocent?

    What I want to know is what happened to the soldiers who killed MURDERED those 11 innocent people. If I had witnessed 11 people being killed I would have reported it also, military or civilian. After Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse scandal where is our military headed?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse


    "The (Abu Ghraib) abuses came to light with reports published in late 2003 by Amnesty International and the Associated Press."

    Then of course there was My Lai massacre; OS soldiers rounded up the 500+ unarmed residents, all women, children and old men, and executed them in cold blood, Nazi-style. No weapons were found in the village, and the whole operation took only 4 hours.

    "But the story did eventually filter back to the Western news media, thanks to a couple of courageous soldier eye-witnesses whose consciences were still intact. An Army court-marital trial eventually convened against a handful of the soldiers, including Lt. William Calley and Company C commanding officer, Ernest Medina."

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-my-lai-massacre-revisited/12760

    where is the justice for these 11 innocent people?
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    Feb 14, 2015 12:51 AM GMT
    Manning isn't a whistleblower. Emperor Obama declared Manning guilty before he was ever convicted.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-says-bradley-manning-broke-the-law/

  • Feb 14, 2015 12:52 AM GMT
    Um.

    Just a technical thing.

    I'm not sure we're supposed to refer to individual's previous name after they've transitioned--a matter of respect.

    I support Chelsea Manning. I feel she should be able to express her gender even in the dark places of society.

    Go Chels.
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    Feb 14, 2015 1:04 AM GMT
    WriteinDeepSpeak saidUm.

    Just a technical thing.

    I'm not sure we're supposed to refer to individual's previous name after they've transitioned--a matter of respect.

    I support Chelsea Manning. I feel she should be able to express her gender even in the dark places of society.

    Go Chels.


    In historical context? It would be she after the conviction, and he before??? "She" didn't leak anything, he did!
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    Feb 14, 2015 1:09 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidManning isn't a whistleblower. Emperor Obama declared Manning guilty before he was ever convicted.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-says-bradley-manning-broke-the-law/


    Let's see what he does at the end of his last term. Hopefully a pardon.
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    Feb 14, 2015 12:26 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    mx5guynj saidManning isn't a whistleblower. Emperor Obama declared Manning guilty before he was ever convicted.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-says-bradley-manning-broke-the-law/


    Let's see what he does at the end of his last term. Hopefully a pardon.
    Yeah its probably a good idea to pardon somebody just because they wish they were a girl.
  • metta

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    Feb 14, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
    WriteinDeepSpeak saidUm.

    Just a technical thing.

    I'm not sure we're supposed to refer to individual's previous name after they've transitioned--a matter of respect.

    I support Chelsea Manning. I feel she should be able to express her gender even in the dark places of society.

    Go Chels.


    Normally, yes. But I put that for search purposes. The previous thread was named that.
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    Feb 14, 2015 5:08 PM GMT
    How much of this case do any of us really know? What the media tells us?
    Fact is the UCMJ is very specific about conduct and the process of how to deal with a crime in the course of ones service witnessed or otherwise. C. M. Obviously I'm sure exahsted the proper chain before going to the media otherwise she blew it.
    Unfirtuneyly service members do not enjoy the same liberties as civilians. They are not protected by the constitution while in the military.
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    Feb 14, 2015 6:53 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    MGINSD said
    metta8 saidChelsea Manning will be allowed hormone treatment but is being forced to keep a 'male' haircut

    Jailed whistleblower is allowed to transition, a first for the armed forces in the US

    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/chelsea-manning-will-be-allowed-hormone-treatment-being-forced-keep-male-haircut130215


    Really great. A convicted spy gets to change his sex - and all at the taxpayers' expense, too! This scum is not worthy of our or any other rational person's support.


    So you think the German's soldiers in WWII were all innocent?

    What I want to know is what happened to the soldiers who killed MURDERED those 11 innocent people. If I had witnessed 11 people being killed I would have reported it also, military or civilian. After Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse scandal where is our military headed?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse


    "The (Abu Ghraib) abuses came to light with reports published in late 2003 by Amnesty International and the Associated Press."

    Then of course there was My Lai massacre; OS soldiers rounded up the 500+ unarmed residents, all women, children and old men, and executed them in cold blood, Nazi-style. No weapons were found in the village, and the whole operation took only 4 hours.

    "But the story did eventually filter back to the Western news media, thanks to a couple of courageous soldier eye-witnesses whose consciences were still intact. An Army court-marital trial eventually convened against a handful of the soldiers, including Lt. William Calley and Company C commanding officer, Ernest Medina."

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-my-lai-massacre-revisited/12760

    where is the justice for these 11 innocent people?


    From BM to the Germans in WWII? Now, there's a leap of time, space, and logic that not even your vault into Vietnam can clear.

    Though you failed to mention it, even though the wiki link you cited does, 11 US Army soldiers were tried, convicted, and sentenced for their part in Abu G, just as happened after My Lai, though you delete the details of that, too. Yes, both incidents were wrong, but those behind them were punished for their wrongdoing, just as BM was; in both cases, justice was done, even if you're not sated by the outcome. That leaves aside the very real question of just how "innocent" those prisoners at Abu G. were, but again, the very link you cite clearly states only 1 person died there, NOT 11. You're way off on your facts, which in part explains why your opinions are similarly faulty.

    And BTW, BM has a right to call himself whatever s/he wants, and I have the right to refer to him as I choose, just as I did above.
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    Feb 14, 2015 11:21 PM GMT
    you'd think he would've wanted to change the last name too.
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    Feb 15, 2015 1:47 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    timmm55 said
    MGINSD said
    metta8 saidChelsea Manning will be allowed hormone treatment but is being forced to keep a 'male' haircut

    Jailed whistleblower is allowed to transition, a first for the armed forces in the US

    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/chelsea-manning-will-be-allowed-hormone-treatment-being-forced-keep-male-haircut130215


    Really great. A convicted spy gets to change his sex - and all at the taxpayers' expense, too! This scum is not worthy of our or any other rational person's support.


    So you think the German's soldiers in WWII were all innocent?

    What I want to know is what happened to the soldiers who killed MURDERED those 11 innocent people. If I had witnessed 11 people being killed I would have reported it also, military or civilian. After Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse scandal where is our military headed?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse


    "The (Abu Ghraib) abuses came to light with reports published in late 2003 by Amnesty International and the Associated Press."

    Then of course there was My Lai massacre; OS soldiers rounded up the 500+ unarmed residents, all women, children and old men, and executed them in cold blood, Nazi-style. No weapons were found in the village, and the whole operation took only 4 hours.

    "But the story did eventually filter back to the Western news media, thanks to a couple of courageous soldier eye-witnesses whose consciences were still intact. An Army court-marital trial eventually convened against a handful of the soldiers, including Lt. William Calley and Company C commanding officer, Ernest Medina."

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-my-lai-massacre-revisited/12760

    where is the justice for these 11 innocent people?


    From BM to the Germans in WWII? Now, there's a leap of time, space, and logic that not even your vault into Vietnam can clear.

    Though you failed to mention it, even though the wiki link you cited does, 11 US Army soldiers were tried, convicted, and sentenced for their part in Abu G, just as happened after My Lai, though you delete the details of that, too. Yes, both incidents were wrong, but those behind them were punished for their wrongdoing, just as BM was; in both cases, justice was done, even if you're not sated by the outcome. That leaves aside the very real question of just how "innocent" those prisoners at Abu G. were, but again, the very link you cite clearly states only 1 person died there, NOT 11. You're way off on your facts, which in part explains why your opinions are similarly faulty.

    And BTW, BM has a right to call himself whatever s/he wants, and I have the right to refer to him as I choose, just as I did above.


    I assumed you read the other thread (obviously NOT).

    WrestlerBoy posted:


    "On April 4, 2010, whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks published a classified video of a United States Apache helicopter firing on civilians in New Baghdad in 2007. The video, available at www.collateralmurder.com, shows Americans shooting and killing 11 individuals who do not return fire. Two of those killed were Reuters’ employees, including 22 year old Reuters’ photojournalist Namir Noor-Eldeen and his driver, 40 year old Saeed Chmagh.

    The video includes an audio recording of the internal commentary by the American soldiers before, during and after the shooting. The soldiers repeatedly request and are granted permission to open fire, encourage one another and joke about the dead and dying civilians. (Full transcript available here)

    A total of 11 adults were killed. Two children, passengers in a van that arrived on the scene after the first bout of gunfire had ceased, were seriously injured when the Apache helicopter opened fire on their van.

    In 2007, Reuters called for an investigation into the attack. In response, a spokesman for the multinational forces in Baghdad stated: “There is no question that coalition forces were clearly engaged in combat operations against a hostile force.”

    Read the Army’s report on the death’s of two Reuter’s employees and the wounding of the two children.

    There was no investigation into the nine other deaths.

    No charges have been filed against the American soldiers in the Apache helicopter who shot and killed the civilians in the video."


    Let me connect the dots for you. Soldiers in war, legal wars or otherwise, since the Geneva Convention and the Nuremberg Trials can be held accountable.

    WWII, Vietnam, Baghdad....it doesn't matter. A soldier can not hide behind the guise of war or "following orders" when committing intentional civilian murder. It doesn't matter if it was 6 million in WWII, 500 in Vietnam, 11 in Baghdad, or 1 in Abu Graib.

    The 11 murdered civilians in Baghdad have not seen justice.

    More on the attack:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike

  • metta

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    Mar 06, 2015 2:35 AM GMT
    Military court recognizes WikiLeaks defendant Chelsea Manning as a woman

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/03/military-court-recognizes-wikileaks-defendant-chelsea-manning-as-a-woman/
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    Aug 14, 2015 8:01 AM GMT
    Chelsea Manning is being thrown into solitary confinement (a form of torture) simply for having a tube of toothpaste, a magazine and a book in her cell.


    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/12/chelsea-manning-solitary-confinement-toothpaste-army
  • metta

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    Sep 12, 2016 1:04 AM GMT
    Chelsea Manning begins hunger strike protest

    https://www.chelseamanning.org/featured/chelsea-manning-begins-hunger-strike-protest
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    Sep 12, 2016 7:41 PM GMT
    U can call him on eight nothing eight nothing eight nothing.
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    Sep 12, 2016 9:22 PM GMT
    I love Chelsea Manning. She is a hero in my eyes.