'28 Reasons I’m DONE Talking To Most Of My Conservative Friends And Family Members'

  • metta

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    Feb 14, 2015 2:13 AM GMT
    28 Reasons I’m DONE Talking To Most Of My Conservative Friends And Family Members


    http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/02/11/28-reasons-im-done-talking-to-most-of-my-conservative-friends-and-family-members/


    (Please note, I did not write this article, nor do I agree with everything the writer wrote. I do think that she made some good points within it though.)
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    Feb 14, 2015 3:12 AM GMT
    Thanks, great list, with which I can heartily agree. Except maybe a bit for 23, You Are Greedy and Miserable.

    No question that conservatives are greedy, but they're actually quite happy & proud about it, not miserable. And never more happy than when they believe their greed is at the expense of people don't like, or who deserve to have less than them. Sorta like being our engrained US thieving class.
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    Feb 14, 2015 5:16 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThanks, great list, with which I can heartily agree. Except maybe a bit for 23, You Are Greedy and Miserable.

    No question that conservatives are greedy, but they're actually quite happy & proud about it, not miserable. And never more happy than when they believe their greed is at the expense of people don't like, or deserve to have less than them. Sorta like being our engrained US thieving class.
    Yeah like all your wealthy democrats and liberals because they are no damned better than the republicans and the conservatives. Both sides are equally greedy and out only for their self aggrandizement.
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    Art_Deco saidThanks, great list, with which I can heartily agree. Except maybe a bit for 23, You Are Greedy and Miserable.

    No question that conservatives are greedy, but they're actually quite happy & proud about it, not miserable. And never more happy than when they believe their greed is at the expense of people don't like, or deserve to have less than them. Sorta like being our engrained US thieving class.

    Yeah like all your wealthy democrats and liberals because they are no damned better than the republicans and the conservatives. Both sides are equally greedy and out only for their self aggrandizement.

    Speak for yourself. I'm a liberal and I'm not greedy. And I give to others, not take.

    You may be able to identify some liberals with money, but most give to others less fortunate than themselves. Versus conservatives like Romney, who despise the 47% as worthless leeches, and who mainly or only give to conservative & regressive causes that exclusively benefit other conservatives. And the struggling working class be damned. Or should I say "underclass" as conservatives disparagingly view them?

    No tax breaks for THEM, no health care for THEM, no food stamps for THEM, no student loans for THEM, no upward mobility for THEM.

    And yet you would call liberals, who favor giving working Americans those things while conservatives are trying to deny them, no better and equally greedy as the Right? You truly have been brainwashed, to be unable to see facts & figures that prove the Right Wing's rapacious greed and hatred for ordinary Americans. Except as sheeple to be herded to blindly vote for them, to unwittingly support the thievery that steals from their own pockets & paychecks.
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    Feb 14, 2015 5:59 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco saidThanks, great list, with which I can heartily agree. Except maybe a bit for 23, You Are Greedy and Miserable.

    No question that conservatives are greedy, but they're actually quite happy & proud about it, not miserable. And never more happy than when they believe their greed is at the expense of people don't like, or deserve to have less than them. Sorta like being our engrained US thieving class.

    Yeah like all your wealthy democrats and liberals because they are no damned better than the republicans and the conservatives. Both sides are equally greedy and out only for their self aggrandizement.

    Speak for yourself. I'm a liberal and I'm not greedy. And I give to others, not take.

    You may be able to identify some liberals with money, but most give to others less fortunate than themselves. Versus conservatives like Romney, who despise the 47% as worthless leeches, and who mainly or only give to conservative & regressive causes that exclusively benefit other conservatives. And the struggling working class be damned. Or should I say "underclass" as conservatives disparagingly view them?

    No tax breaks for THEM, no health care for THEM, no food stamps for THEM, no student loans for THEM, no upward mobility for THEM.

    And yet you would call liberals, who favor giving working Americans those things while conservatives are trying to deny them, no better and equally greedy as the Right? You truly have been brainwashed, to be unable to see facts & figures that prove the Right Wing's rapacious greed and hatred for ordinary Americans. Except as sheeple to be herded to blindly vote for them, to unwittingly support the thievery that steals from their own pockets & paychecks.
    Art, I see that you have been hitting the bottle already as evidenced by all that leftist hyperbole you just posted for all of us to seeicon_biggrin.gif
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    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco saidThanks, great list, with which I can heartily agree. Except maybe a bit for 23, You Are Greedy and Miserable.

    No question that conservatives are greedy, but they're actually quite happy & proud about it, not miserable. And never more happy than when they believe their greed is at the expense of people don't like, or deserve to have less than them. Sorta like being our engrained US thieving class.

    Yeah like all your wealthy democrats and liberals because they are no damned better than the republicans and the conservatives. Both sides are equally greedy and out only for their self aggrandizement.

    Speak for yourself. I'm a liberal and I'm not greedy. And I give to others, not take.

    You may be able to identify some liberals with money, but most give to others less fortunate than themselves. Versus conservatives like Romney, who despise the 47% as worthless leeches, and who mainly or only give to conservative & regressive causes that exclusively benefit other conservatives. And the struggling working class be damned. Or should I say "underclass" as conservatives disparagingly view them?

    No tax breaks for THEM, no health care for THEM, no food stamps for THEM, no student loans for THEM, no upward mobility for THEM.

    And yet you would call liberals, who favor giving working Americans those things while conservatives are trying to deny them, no better and equally greedy as the Right? You truly have been brainwashed, to be unable to see facts & figures that prove the Right Wing's rapacious greed and hatred for ordinary Americans. Except as sheeple to be herded to blindly vote for them, to unwittingly support the thievery that steals from their own pockets & paychecks.
    Art, I see that you have been hitting the bottle already as evidenced by all that leftist hyperbole you just posted for all of us to seeicon_biggrin.gif


    no one says it better than Bobbi. And just think ...happy hour has probably just begun.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1177364

    "Oh, I was seriously drunk, alright. And I do get happier, until I pass out. I'm told I later fell asleep against a railing there, standing up! I'm not sure I believe that, but I have no memory to counter that claim.

    The downside is that when I'm sobering up, usually the next day, I can get grouchy & mean. I'm a happy drunk, but a bitch when hung over"
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 14, 2015 6:22 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art_Deco saidThanks, great list, with which I can heartily agree. Except maybe a bit for 23, You Are Greedy and Miserable.

    No question that conservatives are greedy, but they're actually quite happy & proud about it, not miserable. And never more happy than when they believe their greed is at the expense of people don't like, or deserve to have less than them. Sorta like being our engrained US thieving class.

    Yeah like all your wealthy democrats and liberals because they are no damned better than the republicans and the conservatives. Both sides are equally greedy and out only for their self aggrandizement.

    Speak for yourself. I'm a liberal and I'm not greedy. And I give to others, not take.

    You may be able to identify some liberals with money, but most give to others less fortunate than themselves. Versus conservatives like Romney, who despise the 47% as worthless leeches, and who mainly or only give to conservative & regressive causes that exclusively benefit other conservatives. And the struggling working class be damned. Or should I say "underclass" as conservatives disparagingly view them?

    No tax breaks for THEM, no health care for THEM, no food stamps for THEM, no student loans for THEM, no upward mobility for THEM.

    And yet you would call liberals, who favor giving working Americans those things while conservatives are trying to deny them, no better and equally greedy as the Right? You truly have been brainwashed, to be unable to see facts & figures that prove the Right Wing's rapacious greed and hatred for ordinary Americans. Except as sheeple to be herded to blindly vote for them, to unwittingly support the thievery that steals from their own pockets & paychecks.
    Art, I see that you have been hitting the bottle already as evidenced by all that leftist hyperbole you just posted for all of us to seeicon_biggrin.gif


    no one says it better than Bobbi. And just think ...happy hour has probably just begun.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1177364

    "Oh, I was seriously drunk, alright. And I do get happier, until I pass out. I'm told I later fell asleep against a railing there, standing up! I'm not sure I believe that, but I have no memory to counter that claim.

    The downside is that when I'm sobering up, usually the next day, I can get grouchy & mean. I'm a happy drunk, but a bitch when hung over"
    Ain't that the truth, thank you. Art is being very belligerent right now. However, his blind sycophancy to the democratic party remains as strong as ever.
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    Feb 15, 2015 3:21 PM GMT
    metta8 said28 Reasons I’m DONE Talking To Most Of My Conservative Friends And Family Members


    http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/02/11/28-reasons-im-done-talking-to-most-of-my-conservative-friends-and-family-members/


    (Please note, I did not write this article, nor do I agree with everything the writer wrote. I do think that she made some good points within it though.)


    Excellent- Thanks for sharing this.
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    Feb 15, 2015 4:08 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    no one says it better than Bobbi. And just think ...happy hour has probably just begun.

    You and roadbikeRob use the last resort of conservative cowards - personal insult and ad hominem attacks. Started by our most banned conservative member here some years ago, so you're in good company.

    As it happens I haven't had any alcohol in over a week. I've been ill and the doctors are still trying to diagnosis the problem, I do more lab work this week. As a result I am prohibited from drinking right now, and quite frankly when I'm feeling this sick the idea of alcohol makes me even sicker. So take that bottle you think I'm drinking and shove it where the sun don't shine. icon_biggrin.gif

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    Feb 15, 2015 4:11 PM GMT
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    Art is being very belligerent right now. However, his blind sycophancy to the democratic party remains as strong as ever.

    It's OK when you Right Wingers say similar things reference Democrats and "libtards", and make personal attacks on RJ members. But you stand aghast in horror when you get the same treatment in return. As I've said here many times, you bullies can dish it out, but you can't take it.
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    roadbikeRob said
    Art is being very belligerent right now. However, his blind sycophancy to the democratic party remains as strong as ever.

    It's OK when you Right Wingers say similar things, and make personal attacks. But you stand aghast in horror when you get the same treatment in return. As I've said here many times, you bullies can dish it out, but you can't take it.


    Not that you'd ever do something like that, would you Bobbi?

    photo bobbyinsults.jpg

    As I've said many hundreds or maybe even thousands of times of times Bobbi, if you don't like it then don't do it?

    True, you've got an excuse, but to those of us who are light or non drinkers, that one is not gonna help you much either.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1177364

    Oh, I was seriously drunk, alright. And I do get happier, until I pass out. I'm told I later fell asleep against a railing there, standing up! I'm not sure I believe that, but I have no memory to counter that claim.

    The downside is that when I'm sobering up, usually the next day, I can get grouchy & mean. I'm a happy drunk, but a bitch when hung over



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    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    no one says it better than Bobbi. And just think ...happy hour has probably just begun.

    You and roadbikeRob use the last resort of conservative cowards - personal insult and ad hominem attacks. Started by our most banned conservative member here some years ago, so you're in good company.

    As it happens I haven't had any alcohol in over a week. I've been ill and the doctors are still trying to diagnosis the problem, I do more lab work this week. As a result I am prohibited from drinking right now, and quite frankly when I'm feeling this sick the idea of alcohol makes me even sicker. So take that bottle you think I'm drinking and shove it where the sun don't shine. icon_biggrin.gif


    LOL! Methinks the gentleman doth protest too strongly. Forget the cold turkey and go back to the Wild one. But a least you got the part about "Bloody Mary's in the morning, JD at night," right.
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    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    no one says it better than Bobbi. And just think ...happy hour has probably just begun.

    You and roadbikeRob use the last resort of conservative cowards - personal insult and ad hominem attacks. Started by our most banned conservative member here some years ago, so you're in good company.

    As it happens I haven't had any alcohol in over a week. I've been ill and the doctors are still trying to diagnosis the problem, I do more lab work this week. As a result I am prohibited from drinking right now, and quite frankly when I'm feeling this sick the idea of alcohol makes me even sicker. So take that bottle you think I'm drinking and shove it where the sun don't shine. icon_biggrin.gif



    "You and roadbikeRob use the last resort of conservative cowards - personal insult and ad hominem attacks. "

    Which just happen to be your first resort in about 20,000 of your posts.

    "As it happens I haven't had any alcohol in over a week"

    And ENTIRE week ????? No alcohol for an entire week??? Poor baby?

    But anyway, regarding your drinking .... your words below, not mine so live with it .... punk.


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3706949/

    "Motorcycling actually kept my drinking lower than it is now. "

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    Oh, I was seriously drunk, alright. And I do get happier, until I pass out. I'm told I later fell asleep against a railing there, standing up! I'm not sure I believe that, but I have no memory to counter that claim.

    The downside is that when I'm sobering up, usually the next day, I can get grouchy & mean. I'm a happy drunk, but a bitch when hung over


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1901063

    The bar was open early, so my revenge was drinking bloody Mary's until around 1 PM
    but I'm welcome, a special guest because of our past contributions to Iron Ladies, being allowed to partake of their free food, and yet more drink
    .

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3473942

    Thanks, but I have no idea what I did! Whatever it was I woke up with a rare hangover this morning, and still can't remember what I ate last night (if anything), so it must have involved large quantities of alcohol
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    MGINSD said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    no one says it better than Bobbi. And just think ...happy hour has probably just begun.

    You and roadbikeRob use the last resort of conservative cowards - personal insult and ad hominem attacks. Started by our most banned conservative member here some years ago, so you're in good company.

    As it happens I haven't had any alcohol in over a week. I've been ill and the doctors are still trying to diagnosis the problem, I do more lab work this week. As a result I am prohibited from drinking right now, and quite frankly when I'm feeling this sick the idea of alcohol makes me even sicker. So take that bottle you think I'm drinking and shove it where the sun don't shine. icon_biggrin.gif


    LOL! Methinks the gentleman doth protest too strongly. Forget the cold turkey and go back to the Wild one.


    Can you even image NOT drinking for an entire week? Oh the horrors!
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    Feb 15, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
    metta8 said28 Reasons I’m DONE Talking To Most Of My Conservative Friends And Family Members


    http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/02/11/28-reasons-im-done-talking-to-most-of-my-conservative-friends-and-family-members/


    (Please note, I did not write this article, nor do I agree with everything the writer wrote. I do think that she made some good points within it though.)


    Wow - what a striking show of simple-mindedness. If this is what passes for serious, rational "thought" on the left, none others need worry about being intellectually outclassed. A perfect, pathetic example of a dumbed-down American's world-view.
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    Feb 15, 2015 4:38 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    Art is being very belligerent right now. However, his blind sycophancy to the democratic party remains as strong as ever.

    It's OK when you Right Wingers say similar things, and make personal attacks. But you stand aghast in horror when you get the same treatment in return. As I've said here many times, you bullies can dish it out, but you can't take it.


    Not that you'd ever do something like that, would you Bobbi? You mean like grab another bottle of boozeicon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_question.gif

    photo bobbyinsults.jpg

    As I've said many hundreds or maybe even thousands of times of times Bobbi, if you don't like it then don't do it?

    True, you've got an excuse, but to those of us who are light or non drinkers, that one is not gonna help you much either.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1177364

    Oh, I was seriously drunk, alright. And I do get happier, until I pass out. I'm told I later fell asleep against a railing there, standing up! I'm not sure I believe that, but I have no memory to counter that claim.

    The downside is that when I'm sobering up, usually the next day, I can get grouchy & mean. I'm a happy drunk, but a bitch when hung over



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    Feb 15, 2015 5:03 PM GMT
    This is why I love sports. You can be sitting in a stadium full of independents, liberals, conservatives etc, screaming your brains out, hugging and even shedding a tear or two for your team. You'd never know the ideology of the people you're high fiving and buying drinks for. And you're having fun, tailgating and meeting new people. You might even make friends with fans of the rivalry team.

    There are 20+ political positions from taxes, government, emigration, abortion, education, corporate regulation, to the environment, religion, gun rights, war, and marriage etc and any one of those can swing a person from liberal to conservative and vice versa. Painting people with broad strokes is unattractive no matter who does it. I hate it.
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    Feb 15, 2015 5:26 PM GMT
    woodfordr saidThis is why I love sports. You can be sitting in a stadium full of independents, liberals, conservatives etc, screaming your brains out, hugging and even shedding a tear or two for your team. You'd never know the ideology of the people you're high fiving and buying drinks for. And you're having fun, tailgating and meeting new people. You might even make friends with fans of the rivalry team.

    There are 20+ political positions from taxes, government, emigration, abortion, education, corporate regulation, to the environment, religion, gun rights, war, and marriage etc and any one of those can swing a person from liberal to conservative and vice versa. Painting people with broad strokes is unattractive no matter who does it. I hate it.
    sports can also become an explosive topic these days since the major leagues are tax exempt but the wealthy team owners demand that the taxpayers pay for the design and construction of their new stadiums.
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    Thanks metta8. A post guaranteed to raise the ire of RJ's conservarump whiners. (Maybe they do have a conscience after all.)
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    woodfordr saidThis is why I love sports. You can be sitting in a stadium full of independents, liberals, conservatives etc, screaming your brains out, hugging and even shedding a tear or two for your team. You'd never know the ideology of the people you're high fiving and buying drinks for. And you're having fun, tailgating and meeting new people. You might even make friends with fans of the rivalry team.

    There are 20+ political positions from taxes, government, emigration, abortion, education, corporate regulation, to the environment, religion, gun rights, war, and marriage etc and any one of those can swing a person from liberal to conservative and vice versa. Painting people with broad strokes is unattractive no matter who does it. I hate it.


    Good call. When asked why he read the sports pages first instead of the news section, SCOTUS Justice WODouglas stated, "I'd rather read about the triumphs of men than their failures."
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    Feb 15, 2015 5:48 PM GMT
    There are 17 replies to this and I see only five of them? lolol I had to do a double-take. lolololol. I guess I'm done with it too. lololol Oh that is too funny.

    I had a conversation recently with one of my cousins who sadly, beautifully summed it up as balancing or coming to terms or justifying, however described "hope vs hurt".

    People can be so God damned abusive of each other, that even though you might love someone, even though that someone might continuously do things, say things, hurtful things, even if they don't hurt you personally but that you know those are hurtful things, and you've put up with it for years and you've tried for years to get them to see the light, to stop, there comes a point where you have to decide for yourself, even if it doesn't feel right, whether or not to continue a relationship with someone who you might love but who treats you like shit.

    Our conversation came about by an email that upset me so. My dad dissed my dead mom. He still loves her, though she divorced him back in the 70s and he lives on that pain. And he filters all his perceptions through that.

    Everything he told me was wrong, I know for a fact. He actually blamed my mother for him not being among the first in fast food when it was my mother's uncle back in the early 60s (owner of a very successful restaurant and bar supply business) and my mother's father who was going to fund him. I've another uncle who killed that deal because he wanted that money for himself for his own restaurant franchise which wound up $200k in the hole, big money back then. Fuck him.

    So I know that everything my father said was bullshit. But I understand that's how he remembers it. He thinks my mother blew his chances when all she ever did was to try and help him. He's so filled with pain and hate that he can't see truth concerning my mother. That's not the part that hurts; that's his life, whatever. That he would claim to ever have loved me yet subject me to his lies about someone I love, even if he thought them truths, knowing how much I love my mother. That's the part that hurts.

    This is not his first offense. And I'm getting tired of it. He's in his mid 80s. Probably will be dead in five to 10 years so maybe I let that one go. But it works your nerves. They have no right to inflict that upon those they love.

    Sometimes you just have to stop it even if rejecting them hurts as well.

    So they force you to measure which will bring you more pain, the pain they inflict, or the pain you will inflict upon yourself by denying them access to inflict their pain. And the only thing that would keep that going is hope, that you drop hints, you fight, you tell them outright and you hope that they get it and change.

    But they never do. So you weigh one against the other: hope against hurt.

    Sadly sometimes hurt wins.

    Congrats, you win. Here's your prize: nothing.
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    theantijock saidThere are 17 replies to this and I see only five of them? lolol I had to do a double-take. lolololol. I guess I'm done with it too. lololol Oh that is too funny.


    Yeah, it shows that the weak minded shouldn't be on a discussion forum. What's the point of 'discussing' when you block out all other points of view that don't agree with your own?????


    I've no issues with disagreements. I've issues with scum.

    Fuck you.
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    theantijock saidThere are 17 replies to this and I see only five of them? lolol I had to do a double-take. lolololol. I guess I'm done with it too. lololol Oh that is too funny.


    Yeah, it shows that the weak minded shouldn't be on a discussion forum. What's the point of 'discussing' when you block out all other points of view that don't agree with your own?????


    I've no issues with disagreements. I've issues with scum.

    Fuck you.


    ^ Mental weakness on full display.


    mental weakness on full display was you showing how you stretch your foreskin.

    Don't you have some global warming to deny?

    God, you are stupid!
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    theantijock saidThere are 17 replies to this and I see only five of them? lolol I had to do a double-take. lolololol. I guess I'm done with it too. lololol Oh that is too funny.


    Yeah, it shows that the weak minded shouldn't be on a discussion forum. What's the point of 'discussing' when you block out all other points of view that don't agree with your own?????


    I've no issues with disagreements. I've issues with scum.

    Fuck you.


    ^ Mental weakness on full display.

    Why even engage with someone who keeps his profile hidden, especially someone who continues to demonstrate anger and other mental issues?
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    Feb 15, 2015 6:16 PM GMT
    woodfordr saidThis is why I love sports. You can be sitting in a stadium full of independents, liberals, conservatives etc, screaming your brains out, hugging and even shedding a tear or two for your team. You'd never know the ideology of the people you're high fiving and buying drinks for. And you're having fun, tailgating and meeting new people. You might even make friends with fans of the rivalry team.

    There are 20+ political positions from taxes, government, emigration, abortion, education, corporate regulation, to the environment, religion, gun rights, war, and marriage etc and any one of those can swing a person from liberal to conservative and vice versa. Painting people with broad strokes is unattractive no matter who does it. I hate it.

    Good points. There were some on the left who don't post anymore (some seldom, some never) with whom I got along quite well. We had fundamentally different views of things, but could agree on some political points of common ground, or at least agree that no one was always 100% correct.

    Several of the current crop of relatively new RJ liberals are more partisan, make broad generalizations, generally outlandish, and cannot have a mature discussion with those who don't agree with them. Many make broad generalizations, assume people who don't support the current administration must be Republicans and assume Republicans are a monolithic group who all share the same views. Typically, I have no interest in engaging with them and sometimes respond not to them but to others who read the threads.