Not all religion is bad.

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    Feb 15, 2015 6:44 PM GMT
    I get weary of the religion bashing on real jock, although I get it that there has been much evil done (and much evil continues to be done) in the world in the name of religion.

    But I thought we could use a counter example:

    http://m.forward.com/articles/214756/deep-in-dixie-synagogue-stands-up-for-gay-marriage/

    Have a great day everyone, theists and atheists alike.

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    Feb 15, 2015 7:46 PM GMT


    *LIKE*
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    Feb 17, 2015 5:54 AM GMT
    Even as a bitter Atheist, I think it's important to applaud good behavior in religion when it happens.
  • johnnyqhomo7

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    Feb 17, 2015 5:49 PM GMT
    a lot of gay people have been hurt by religion so i see why so many are bitter. I'm a gay christian and it hurts me as well to see how we are treated as a people.
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 17, 2015 9:01 PM GMT
    Tell that to all the poor atheists God has sent to hell.icon_sad.gif
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    Feb 17, 2015 11:41 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidTell that to all the poor atheists God has sent to hell.icon_sad.gif

    Why would atheists care about something they don't believe exists??
  • tj85016

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    Feb 18, 2015 12:14 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidTell that to all the poor atheists God has sent to hell.icon_sad.gif


    or tell it to some poor Filipino bastard living in a slum outside Manila with 6 kids, and the idiot Pope told him he can't use birth control
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    Feb 18, 2015 3:45 AM GMT
    When people feel rejected by something, it's logical that they have strong feelings about it. But I am Christian too and I do hate the bashing of a lot of stuff on here. My friends and family members are loving, accepting, giving people too and they are Christian. It's not the religion, the gun, or the glass of beer that causes damage. It's the person's behavior with those things.
  • davfit

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    Feb 18, 2015 3:45 AM GMT
    Religion is made up ...period .. whatever you choose.. use it in a positive way.
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    Feb 18, 2015 8:47 AM GMT
    Thank you for posting this. "Hott"Joe was needing something to do.
  • peterstrong

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    Feb 18, 2015 4:33 PM GMT
    also in current news......

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/maryland-episcopal-bishop-heather-cook-indicted-for-deadly-hit-and-run-facing-more-charges-133919/

    I hope the Episcopal church is found responsible too,
    for covering up her monstrous alcoholism - her prior DUI, the cop wrote she had " vomit on the front of her blouse and was driving on a shredded tire on the shoulder of the road at around 25 miles per hour "

    Then just a few years latter she killed this bike activist amazing father of two small children and loving husband of a now shell shocked spouse.

    God works in mysterious ways, indeed ?



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    Feb 19, 2015 2:26 AM GMT
    tj85016 said
    HottJoe saidTell that to all the poor atheists God has sent to hell.icon_sad.gif


    or tell it to some poor Filipino bastard living in a slum outside Manila with 6 kids, and the idiot Pope told him he can't use birth control


    If the "poor Filipino bastard" (as you so charitably call him) is Catholic he isn't suppose to use ARTIFICIAL methods of birth control. He might very well be Muslim for all you know. What's his excuse then?
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    Feb 19, 2015 2:29 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidTell that to all the poor atheists God has sent to hell.icon_sad.gif


    And how do you know god has sent anyone to Hell?
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    Feb 19, 2015 12:28 PM GMT
    Faith is the surrender of the mind; it’s the surrender of reason, it’s the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other mammals. It’s our need to believe, and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated.

    ---Christopher Hitchens, author of
    "God is Not Great: How religion poisons everything"
  • peterstrong

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    Feb 19, 2015 4:14 PM GMT

    entirely agreed CLMike46

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/09/bishop-to-be-charged-with-vehicular-manslaughter-dui-in-hit-and-run-that-killed/

  • HottJoe

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    Feb 19, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
    TerraFirma said
    HottJoe saidTell that to all the poor atheists God has sent to hell.icon_sad.gif

    Why would atheists care about something they don't believe exists??
    It's cruel to damn someone to hell for not believing in God, especially if they are a good person who just happens to believe differently. Therefore, if God sends people to hell for not believing him, then God is cruel -- and not just cruel, but sadistic in an ISIS sort of way, considering the implications of violence and torture.icon_cry.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 19, 2015 6:10 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    HottJoe saidTell that to all the poor atheists God has sent to hell.icon_sad.gif


    And how do you know god has sent anyone to Hell?

    No one knows if anyone has gone to heaven either. Isn't that why it's called "faith"? I just think if God is real then doling out sadistic punishments to nonbelievers would be Freddy Krueger territory.
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    Feb 19, 2015 6:21 PM GMT
    A people's idea of god is just a reflection of their culture. The god of the Old Testament and Koran is a god of vengeance as the tribes of the Middle East are vengeful. That's why there will NEVER be peace in the ME. They hold grudges and seek vengeance down through the generations. There's never really any recompense for the littlest slight.

    The Christian god is basically a god of order and justice as Christianity was a product of Roman society. If you want things to work in your favor you must follow the rules. If you don't follow the rules the you are subject to god's justice.
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    Feb 19, 2015 9:25 PM GMT
    I think this thread begs the question. Partly that it implies conflating People Who Are Religious with Religion.

    Not all religious people are bad. Actually, very few are. Lots of supporters of gay marriage, right?

    But in the post above quoting Christopher Hitchens, the point is that it requires the adherent to shut off a significant part of their reasoning mind. To allow for cognitive dissonance. To leave an area unexamined, unassailed.

    Most adherents will insist they DO question their religion. In fact, many DO reject it if they test it. However, most don't; they reach the conclusion that they were hoping to reach, that faith in the unseen (unobservable, untestable) is OK/preferred to agnosticism. Or can't be dismissed because of their personal anecdote(s).

    This maybe isn't BAD (because there's enough people on the planet who haven't surrendered to faith to carry the burden of reason to the next generation of thinkers). But it isn't GOOD.
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    Mar 07, 2015 10:51 PM GMT
    Nor is all atheism bad.
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 10, 2015 8:44 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidA people's idea of god is just a reflection of their culture. The god of the Old Testament and Koran is a god of vengeance as the tribes of the Middle East are vengeful. That's why there will NEVER be peace in the ME. They hold grudges and seek vengeance down through the generations. There's never really any recompense for the littlest slight.

    The Christian god is basically a god of order and justice as Christianity was a product of Roman society. If you want things to work in your favor you must follow the rules. If you don't follow the rules the you are subject to god's justice.

    When you put it that way, I'm glad not religulous.
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 10, 2015 8:45 PM GMT
    _ragazzo_ saidNor is all atheism bad.

    Atheists are the most closeted of any group of people though.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 11, 2015 1:28 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    _ragazzo_ saidNor is all atheism bad.

    Atheists are the most closeted of any group of people though.
    I wish that we could lock your silly ass in a broom closet and throw the key away. There problem finally solved.
  • Lincsbear

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    Mar 16, 2015 11:06 PM GMT
    Even though I regard myself as an atheist, I can see the paradoxical situation of much good coming from a grand, comforting, but ultimately delusional idea as religious faith.
    I was raised by religiously pious parents and witnessed so much good from them; and wider, from their churches and society generally.
    But I am also aware of all the wrong religion has caused people, too.
    It`s saddening to see this trend of ridiculing/demonizing of those of faith here. They`re portrayed as anything from eccentric and old fashioned, to dangerous, violent fanatics. But all are increasingly seen as a problem; as strange people who aren`t like us sensible ones. It accelerated in the wake of 9/11, but seems to be spreading to Christians and Jews, especially of traditional beliefs; and almost anyone of devout faith.