Tim Cook challenges Obama on gay rights

  • metta

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    Feb 16, 2015 7:43 AM GMT
    Tim Cook challenges Obama on gay rights

    Apple CEO says the president's new cyberprivacy rules put gay people at risk

    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/tim-cook-challenges-obama-gay-rights160215
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    Feb 16, 2015 2:28 PM GMT
    I think this is a fair argument for an average person to make and should unite many republicans, democrats, Independents, gays and straights, men, women and parents. BUT, Tim Cook is no average guy and I see him as being just as much on the hook as well. When companies collect, track, and sell our information (big data), make it available to 3rd parties, use it to market additional products, run social experiments on us, deprioritize certain options when we browse while prioritizing other choices because of our browsing and spending habits, they ALSO put our privacy at risk as well impact our ability to make everyday decisions. Marketing today is very much about collecting and tracking everything we do electronically, running algorithms to PREDICT our behavior and then using it.

    The Tim Cooks, Zuckerbergs and other tech guys of the world are all just as accountable. Sure, I think they care some about government overreach into our lives, but I think they care even more about the government regulating a corporations use of our personal data, and other companies getting ahold of their "competitive human intel." By collecting and tracking our personal data, these companies have already violated our privacy. If they didn't collect the data on us, what would the government have to monitor in the first place?
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    Feb 16, 2015 2:40 PM GMT
    Apple has a good tract record on privacy issues. In fact, they caught some Federal ire when they started encrypting personal information they hold, in such a way that even the NSA presumably can't break it.
  • jeepguySD

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    Feb 16, 2015 2:58 PM GMT
    While I agree with Mr. Cook, and I deeply respect one's right to privacy, it should be pointed out that in a free and open society like ours, there is a constant conflict between an individual's right to privacy and the needs of public safety. Sadly, there are many (terrorists, other extremists, and criminals including cyber criminals) who use privacy as an aid to perpetrate their crimes and evade justice.

    I think Mr. Cook's comments really point out the notion that what we need is a world in which people are not persecuted for their sexuality, religion (or atheism), political beliefs, etc (provided that individuals are not trying to infringe on the rights of others).
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    Feb 16, 2015 5:25 PM GMT
    woodfordr saidI think this is a fair argument for an average person to make and should unite many republicans, democrats, Independents, gays and straights, men, women and parents. BUT, Tim Cook is no average guy and I see him as being just as much on the hook as well. When companies collect, track, and sell our information (big data), make it available to 3rd parties, use it to market additional products, run social experiments on us, deprioritize certain options when we browse while prioritizing other choices because of our browsing and spending habits, they ALSO put our privacy at risk as well impact our ability to make everyday decisions. Marketing today is very much about collecting and tracking everything we do electronically, running algorithms to PREDICT our behavior and then using it.

    The Tim Cooks, Zuckerbergs and other tech guys of the world are all just as accountable. Sure, I think they care some about government overreach into our lives, but I think they care even more about the government regulating a corporations use of our personal data, and other companies getting ahold of their "competitive human intel." By collecting and tracking our personal data, these companies have already violated our privacy. If they didn't collect the data on us, what would the government have to monitor in the first place?


    Good points all. I'm no friend of Obama's, but criticism like Cook's seems more than a bit hypocritical. I still bristle when I think of google's kowtowing to the Chinese. For some, it's just "all about jack!"
  • shutoman

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    Feb 16, 2015 11:10 PM GMT
    woodfordr has nailed this.
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    Feb 17, 2015 8:15 AM GMT
    woodfordr said

    The Tim Cooks, Zuckerbergs and other tech guys of the world are all just as accountable. Sure, I think they care some about government overreach into our lives, but I think they care even more about the government regulating a corporations use of our personal data, and other companies getting ahold of their "competitive human intel." By collecting and tracking our personal data, these companies have already violated our privacy. If they didn't collect the data on us, what would the government have to monitor in the first place?


    Apple has been very clear on many occasions that they don't collect or share user data, and they don't track your email or Web habits. Google and Facebook (among others) get their money by making YOU into the product (you're not their customer, you're their raw material to be sold to advertisers, who are their real customers). Apple is a hardware company: you are not their product, you are their customer. Cook repeats this over and over. Sure, he could be lying his ass off, but he'd be stupid to do that because if he were ever caught in a lie it was absolutely destroy Apple's credibility for the next 20 years or more.