Freud's Stance On Homosexuality

  • AMoonHawk

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    Feb 19, 2015 2:34 AM GMT
    http://instinctmagazine.com/post/forgotten-letter-reveals-freuds-stance-homosexuality

    "I gather from your letter that your son is a homosexual ... it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation; it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function ... It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime – and a cruelty too. ... What analysis can do for your son runs on a different line. If he is unhappy, neurotic, torn by conflicts, inhibited in his social life, analysis may bring him harmony, peace of mind, full efficiency ..."
  • NeuralShock

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    Feb 19, 2015 3:22 AM GMT
    Interesting, never heard this end of things.

    However even that being said, his theories were extremely shakey for a long list of reasons and he was abhorrently sexist to the point where if his theories were proposed today he'd be ostracized from the scientific community.

    That paragraph ^^ being said, I feel like the credibility and goodness of that quote was diminished icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 19, 2015 3:32 AM GMT
    I read the entire letter (I'm a speed reader). It seems Freud was saying on the one hand it isn't wrong to be homosexual.

    On the other hand he's saying if you catch it early enough it can be redirected to heterosexuality. But the older the person, the less likely that is.

    I suppose an "enlightened" view some 100 or more years ago. And better than others were preaching. But still not right.
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    Feb 19, 2015 3:57 AM GMT
    Definitely ahead of his time *sniff* if you know what I'm sayin' *snort*.
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    Feb 19, 2015 6:40 AM GMT
    bon_pan saidDefinitely ahead of his time *sniff* if you know what I'm sayin' *snort*.


    LOL

    For the time period it was much more forward thinking then probably most at that time. I doubt he had studied it much and was probably theorizing.
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    Feb 19, 2015 6:45 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI read the entire letter (I'm a speed reader). It seems Freud was saying on the one hand it isn't wrong to be homosexual.

    On the other hand he's saying if you catch it early enough it can be redirected to heterosexuality. But the older the person, the less likely that is.

    I suppose an "enlightened" view some 100 or more years ago. And better than others were preaching. But still not right.

    He seemed to be saying that he thought there was some sort of halt in the sexual development which proves my theory .... we are all born homosexuals, and at some point something leads people to the desire to be the other sex, perhaps curiosity, or envy, but those feeling eventually lead them to becoming 'straight' and desiring the opposite sex. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Feb 19, 2015 7:11 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    Art_Deco saidI read the entire letter (I'm a speed reader). It seems Freud was saying on the one hand it isn't wrong to be homosexual.

    On the other hand he's saying if you catch it early enough it can be redirected to heterosexuality. But the older the person, the less likely that is.

    I suppose an "enlightened" view some 100 or more years ago. And better than others were preaching. But still not right.

    He seemed to be saying that he thought there was some sort of halt in the sexual development which proves my theory .... we are all born homosexuals, and at some point something leads people to the desire to be the other sex, perhaps curiosity, or envy, but those feeling eventually lead them to becoming 'straight' and desiring the opposite sex. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    Interesting point, which if correct would explain the propensity for same sex experimentation before they went on to hetero relationships.

    Back before there was any taboo on 'gay' because none of us knew what it was, every boy I knew would fuck around with other boys. Nothing serious like ass plowing and kissin, but mutual J/O ... they all did it.

    I knew I was a two bit whore and things, but I couldn't have been the cause of THAT much action.
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    Feb 20, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
    NeuralShock saidInteresting, never heard this end of things.

    However even that being said, his theories were extremely shakey for a long list of reasons and he was abhorrently sexist to the point where if his theories were proposed today he'd be ostracized from the scientific community.

    That paragraph ^^ being said, I feel like the credibility and goodness of that quote was diminished icon_lol.gif


    Freud's theories were never as shakey as academic psychologists have portrayed them to be. He was a great scientist and visionary. His reputation has suffered because most people don't actually understand psychoanalysis. But his standing has begun to improve, and it will only continue to do so in the future. A great thinker and a great man.
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