Feb 19, 2015 5:54 PM GMT
Hello,
In the recent past, I was wrongly attacked about coming out late. The younger gay man, one who I was not flirting with at all, said I am lying about my "gay experiences" because I say I had absolutely no desire as a teen.
Homosexual Gene
The person then implied on Facebook that I said people were not "born gay." I am completely aware of the expert opinion that a homosexuality seems to be both environmental and genetic[1], but "environmental" can be extremely important. Although your genes allow us to, for example, build muscle and lose weight in a certain way, the genes also control, for example, our proportions (height, looks, fat distribution and storage, etc). Environmental factors (diet, exercise, etc) can have an affect on some human properties, but not others in normal environments (bone length, etc).
Rather, I said I was not gay as a teen, humans are a part of a population, populations have descriptive statistics, and I came out recently even though I "should have come out" in the early to mid 2000s. I also said that an experience with a man in my early 20s caused me to realize I enjoyed 'same-sex" interaction, but I had stronger attraction to women at that time. Like other males, I am a part of an older population that come out late for one reason or another[4;5], but one thing is certain, all men did not say they had same-sex sexual attraction as adolescents-I am one. With that said, I am 100% gay now, I love men, I love tasty semen (eat your fruits and veggies men!), I love being inserted, and I mean I REALLY LOVE being inserted!--just true. I love the male physique, I love the penis, and I am VERY attracted to men! Yes, I am gay and I love being out!
What is wrong is childish stigma.
Quotes
Quote: “It’s liberating and confusing at the same time,” said Kinsella, who came out in his 30s and is an organizer of a local social group for gay, bi, and trans men in that very situation. “You’re an adult, so people kind of expect you to have it together, but you’re thrust into this new community with norms you don’t get yet.”[5]
Quote: “And there’s a little bit of bias against you with people who think you’re damaged goods because you came out so late. You talk to a 28-year-old, someone who’s younger than you, and they might look at you like ‘what’s wrong with you, I came out at 18."[5]
Quote: "The concordance between early stage-sequential models and actual identity development is somewhat questionable. Emerging evidence indicates that some aspects of sexual orientation may be less stable than others (Diamond, 2008; Kinnish, Strassberg, & Turner, 2005), and that there is considerable variability in the timing and sequence in which sexual orientation milestones are experienced (Friedman, Marshall, Stall, Cheong, & Wright, 2008; Savin-Williams, 1998 ). For example, Floyd and Stein (2002) used cluster analysis to examine underlying developmental patterns in adolescents and young adults. They identified five patterns of development—one pattern in which milestones occurred early and participants came out in adolescence; two patterns in which attraction and self-identification occurred early (but with differences in levels of same-sex sexual experience and coming out status); and two patterns characterized by experiencing milestones in adulthood (but differing according to level of GLB community involvement). Floyd and Stein’s findings indicate that there may be considerable heterogeneity in the timing and sequence of milestones, with some evidence of very early developmental trajectories."[4]
Quote: "The presence of these multiple factors may pattern sexual orientation identity development differently for adolescent developers in comparison to adult developers—who experience sexual minority identity development later in life and likely under different circumstances (e.g., following other-sex sexual and romantic relationship experiences)."[4]
Quote: "Members of the early trajectory were younger than participants in the other trajectory groups, and reported experiencing attractions before age 10 and first disclosure prior to turning 18. Members of the middle trajectory tended to experience the milestones two to three years later than the early trajectory, and members of the late trajectory (the smallest group) experienced milestones two to 10 years later than the early trajectory (not coming out until their late 20s). Their results underscore the considerable diversity in timing of sexual orientation milestones. Further, Friedman et al. (2008 ) found that early development was associated with greater rates of victimization, depression, suicidality, and HIV-risk."[4]
Table 3: "Demographic Characteristics of the Latent Profiles of Gay Men, Lesbians, and Bisexuals in the California Quality of Life Surveys I & II" Available from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210896/table/T3/
References:
[1] Crew, Bec. (2014, Nov. 18 ). Largest study yet points to genetic factors in male homosexuality. Retrieved (2014, Nov. 17). sciencealert[online]. Available from: http://www.sciencealert.com/largest-study-yet-identifies-genetic-factor-in-homosexuality
[2] Daily Mail Reporter. (2011, Oct. 21). More than half of women are attracted to other women-and it gets more pronounced as they get older. Retrieved (2014, Sep. 24). dailymail.co.uk[online]. Available from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2051284/More-half-women-bi-curious-attracted-women.html
[3] Golbeck, Jennifer, PhD. (2014, Sep. 10 ). Internet Trolls are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists. Retrieved (2014, Oct. 21). psychology today[online]. Available from: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists
[4] Calzo, Jerel, P.; Antonucci, Toni C.; Mays, Vickie M; Cochran, Susan D. (2012, Nov. 01). Retrospective Recall of Sexual Orientation Identity Development Among Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Adults. Retrieved (2015, Feb. 17). Dev Psychol.[online]. vol. 47(6). pp. 1658-1673. Available from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210896/ ; PMCID: PMC3210896; NIHMSID: NIHMS324175; doi: 10.1037/a0025508
[5] Pizzuti, Matt. (2014, Nov. 19). Late Bloomers--"When Gay, Bi, And Trans Men "Come Out Late" Retrieved from: http://www.pqmonthly.com/late-bloomers-gay-bi-trans-men-come-late/21076
In the recent past, I was wrongly attacked about coming out late. The younger gay man, one who I was not flirting with at all, said I am lying about my "gay experiences" because I say I had absolutely no desire as a teen.
Homosexual Gene
The person then implied on Facebook that I said people were not "born gay." I am completely aware of the expert opinion that a homosexuality seems to be both environmental and genetic[1], but "environmental" can be extremely important. Although your genes allow us to, for example, build muscle and lose weight in a certain way, the genes also control, for example, our proportions (height, looks, fat distribution and storage, etc). Environmental factors (diet, exercise, etc) can have an affect on some human properties, but not others in normal environments (bone length, etc).
Rather, I said I was not gay as a teen, humans are a part of a population, populations have descriptive statistics, and I came out recently even though I "should have come out" in the early to mid 2000s. I also said that an experience with a man in my early 20s caused me to realize I enjoyed 'same-sex" interaction, but I had stronger attraction to women at that time. Like other males, I am a part of an older population that come out late for one reason or another[4;5], but one thing is certain, all men did not say they had same-sex sexual attraction as adolescents-I am one. With that said, I am 100% gay now, I love men, I love tasty semen (eat your fruits and veggies men!), I love being inserted, and I mean I REALLY LOVE being inserted!--just true. I love the male physique, I love the penis, and I am VERY attracted to men! Yes, I am gay and I love being out!
What is wrong is childish stigma.
Quotes
Quote: “It’s liberating and confusing at the same time,” said Kinsella, who came out in his 30s and is an organizer of a local social group for gay, bi, and trans men in that very situation. “You’re an adult, so people kind of expect you to have it together, but you’re thrust into this new community with norms you don’t get yet.”[5]
Quote: “And there’s a little bit of bias against you with people who think you’re damaged goods because you came out so late. You talk to a 28-year-old, someone who’s younger than you, and they might look at you like ‘what’s wrong with you, I came out at 18."[5]
Quote: "The concordance between early stage-sequential models and actual identity development is somewhat questionable. Emerging evidence indicates that some aspects of sexual orientation may be less stable than others (Diamond, 2008; Kinnish, Strassberg, & Turner, 2005), and that there is considerable variability in the timing and sequence in which sexual orientation milestones are experienced (Friedman, Marshall, Stall, Cheong, & Wright, 2008; Savin-Williams, 1998 ). For example, Floyd and Stein (2002) used cluster analysis to examine underlying developmental patterns in adolescents and young adults. They identified five patterns of development—one pattern in which milestones occurred early and participants came out in adolescence; two patterns in which attraction and self-identification occurred early (but with differences in levels of same-sex sexual experience and coming out status); and two patterns characterized by experiencing milestones in adulthood (but differing according to level of GLB community involvement). Floyd and Stein’s findings indicate that there may be considerable heterogeneity in the timing and sequence of milestones, with some evidence of very early developmental trajectories."[4]
Quote: "The presence of these multiple factors may pattern sexual orientation identity development differently for adolescent developers in comparison to adult developers—who experience sexual minority identity development later in life and likely under different circumstances (e.g., following other-sex sexual and romantic relationship experiences)."[4]
Quote: "Members of the early trajectory were younger than participants in the other trajectory groups, and reported experiencing attractions before age 10 and first disclosure prior to turning 18. Members of the middle trajectory tended to experience the milestones two to three years later than the early trajectory, and members of the late trajectory (the smallest group) experienced milestones two to 10 years later than the early trajectory (not coming out until their late 20s). Their results underscore the considerable diversity in timing of sexual orientation milestones. Further, Friedman et al. (2008 ) found that early development was associated with greater rates of victimization, depression, suicidality, and HIV-risk."[4]
Table 3: "Demographic Characteristics of the Latent Profiles of Gay Men, Lesbians, and Bisexuals in the California Quality of Life Surveys I & II" Available from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210896/table/T3/
References:
[1] Crew, Bec. (2014, Nov. 18 ). Largest study yet points to genetic factors in male homosexuality. Retrieved (2014, Nov. 17). sciencealert[online]. Available from: http://www.sciencealert.com/largest-study-yet-identifies-genetic-factor-in-homosexuality
[2] Daily Mail Reporter. (2011, Oct. 21). More than half of women are attracted to other women-and it gets more pronounced as they get older. Retrieved (2014, Sep. 24). dailymail.co.uk[online]. Available from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2051284/More-half-women-bi-curious-attracted-women.html
[3] Golbeck, Jennifer, PhD. (2014, Sep. 10 ). Internet Trolls are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists. Retrieved (2014, Oct. 21). psychology today[online]. Available from: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists
[4] Calzo, Jerel, P.; Antonucci, Toni C.; Mays, Vickie M; Cochran, Susan D. (2012, Nov. 01). Retrospective Recall of Sexual Orientation Identity Development Among Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Adults. Retrieved (2015, Feb. 17). Dev Psychol.[online]. vol. 47(6). pp. 1658-1673. Available from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210896/ ; PMCID: PMC3210896; NIHMSID: NIHMS324175; doi: 10.1037/a0025508
[5] Pizzuti, Matt. (2014, Nov. 19). Late Bloomers--"When Gay, Bi, And Trans Men "Come Out Late" Retrieved from: http://www.pqmonthly.com/late-bloomers-gay-bi-trans-men-come-late/21076