A Touchy Subject...

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    Feb 20, 2015 1:54 AM GMT
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2958422/Circumcised-men-soon-able-REGROW-foreskin-New-technique-help-increasing-number-men-angry-given-procedure.html

    I posted the above link that a friend shared on Facebook earlier, and it spawned a discussion. First was a mother who's doctor informed her that circumcision was the right thing to do. His procedure was botched and he ended up having to have multiple procedures until he was 4 years old to partially repair the damage.

    Next was a friend of mine, who I've always found to be a bit immature but still enjoy and get along with. He commented that he would have his kids cut as soon as they came out as opposed to leaving them natural. I asked him if he could defend his decision, and he replied:

    Friend:I am, my bf is and I prefer them. I like being cut and I want my kid to feel the same as me, just a preference

    Me: An ignorant one, but you're right, it's your preference. Hopefully you can convince your son that "what's best" is trumped by "what's best for Daddy"

    Friend: Lol my parents did it to me , and I'm glad they did

    Me: I'm happy you're happy, that's a lucky roll for your parents. Many men are not, hence why this article was posted. A company wouldn't invest in a product/service that didn't have a major market to cater to.

    SO, my question. To those who support cutting a baby's foreskin off, what has made you feel this way? Is it any of the following?
    -parents did it to you, and your dad had his done, so why not?
    -most other kids are, and I would want my kid to fit in
    -I had a bad experience with a guy with a natural penis, so I don't want that for my kid.
    -it looks nicer to me
    -my bf is and I like his

    Finally, am I wrong in categorizing the above justifications as ignorant?
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    Feb 20, 2015 2:38 AM GMT
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    Feb 20, 2015 2:42 AM GMT
    xrichx, I don't want it to be a storm disaster thread like the other cut/uncut bashing sessions. I want legitimate feedback on guys and why they feel the way they do.
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    Feb 20, 2015 2:47 AM GMT
    jerbear89 saidxrichx, I don't want it to be a storm disaster thread like the other cut/uncut bashing sessions. I want legitimate feedback on guys and why they feel the way they do.

    But you've already set the tone for this thread. Your choice of words makes it clear that you're opposed to circumcision. And no matter what anyone else says, your opinion will remain the same.

    If you search previous threads on this topic, you'll see that it's difficult to have a thoughtful discussion on this. It always results in immature bashing from both sides.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums?searchtext=circumcision

    Now excuse me while I get some popcorn. icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 20, 2015 2:49 AM GMT
    I oppose unnecessary circumcision. If it's done by the "owner" because they simply want to or need to for medical reasons, I support that. It's their body.
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    Feb 20, 2015 2:59 AM GMT
    I'm not circumcised. My first partner was. Together he and I raised our sons together; his was circumcised at birth, mine was not. That led to conversations with the boys about it when they were four and five.

    Temporarily putting all studies and percentages aside, there's no denying that circumcision is very much a cultural practice that's done on the majority of male babies in the US, and in lesser degrees in other nations. It's origins go back to the tribes of the middle east predating Judaism. It is a ritual based in contradictory superstitions. First they tell us it is an abomination to defile or mark our bodies and then tell us to cut off a piece of our sons' sex organs.

    Yes, there are studies and research supporting circumcision but take them in context. During the past 40 years I know for a fact scientific studies have been released stating, all drinking is bad for you health, a glass of wine a day is not bad, occasional liquor and beer are not bad and just weeks ago a new study would have us believe moderate and regular drinkers outlive those who don't drink at all.

    Oh! let's not forget that after over two decades of maligning eggs as a breakfast food new studies say the past studies were complete bullshit. Eat all the eggs you want.

    If they can't get it right about drinking or eggs are you willing to believe them about foreskin? If you look at the history of medical and scientific research overall, you'll see if you don't like the most recent study, just wait a few years for another one you will like.

    And for me, it is more than a matter of skin on a penis. It's a matter of depriving a baby of a choice that he as an adult, might one day resent having not been able to exercise his own free will to determine.

    Gymnast/Youtuber Jamie Stroud, (aka Chip Tanner in porn) has done several intelligent and still funny videos about circumcision

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCBEcr7T5zY

    https://vimeo.com/63696061 just for fun


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    Feb 20, 2015 3:32 AM GMT
    bobbobbob,I agree with you 100%. Well said. It's about one's right to choose.
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    Feb 20, 2015 3:48 AM GMT
    It's not a practice that is recommended here and most now choose not to circumcise. I am cut because when I was born most doctors recommended it for health reasons, so almost all boys were circumcised back in 1961. But they discovered later there really are no valid medical reasons for cutting the foreskin. So it's usually not done now unless the parents want the foreskin cut. God commanded Israelite baby boys to be circumsized as kind of a mark on them that they were his specially chosen people from whom the Savior would be born.
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    Feb 20, 2015 7:56 AM GMT
    It's a choice that shouldn't be made by the parents.

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    Feb 20, 2015 8:17 AM GMT
    I was cut because I was born in a hospital in the 1940s, when it was virtually automatic. I never saw an uncut cock until well into my teens.

    When my own sons were born in military hospitals in the 1980s and 1990s I had to fight to leave them uncut. You were given the forms authorizing circumcision and expected to sign them. When I didn't the doctors were all over me. I stood my ground, and persuaded my wife to back me up.

    But when my oldest son was 5 or 6 he began having infections under his foreskin. It still hadn't fully retracted. He was in a lot of pain.

    I was using a US Navy hospital at the time, and the doctors basically accused me of being a bad father, for leaving my son uncut. They convinced my wife of the need for circumcision. Not only of the older boy, but the younger, as well. My wife was as much their mother as I was their father, and she wanted it done.

    With that kind of pressure, and my son in pain, I had to give in. Interestingly, in the military health system at that time, since I was the active service member on whom this health care depended, I had the final say. Both boys were cut. A difficult decision that went against my own beliefs.
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    Feb 20, 2015 9:05 AM GMT
    Great comments, you guys. I honestly appreciate it. Pazzy, I feel you on the shaming of the uncut penis. I'm trying to convert myself to calling it natural vs. cut, since that's what it is. UNcut infers that its the negative, or opposite of the standard, which is not correct. It's really unfortunate that kids left intact grow up feeling awkward or ashamed, when really neither they or their cut counterparts should. I really hope that in the years to come with sexual openness and education, parents and boys learn to embrace their bodies as they were designed. Everything has a purpose, whether we know it or not.
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    Feb 20, 2015 4:57 PM GMT
    Nature put a foreskin on your penis , nothing really to discuss about it , nature had his reasons .
    Now , i totally understand that some blokes prefer cut or uncut it a choice of preference .
    Parents shouldn't make a decision when a boy is born , let their son decides later on in life .
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    Feb 20, 2015 5:25 PM GMT
    no real way to time a pregnancy to when the mother is emotionally stable and capable to care for the child.

    too much information but
    most younger mothers are not ready to clean the boy's dick. wipe its ass. So when a pediatrician sees junk parent(s) he thinks why complicate the issue. and the doctor goes to the bank by booking another low effort procedure.
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    Feb 20, 2015 5:40 PM GMT
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    Feb 20, 2015 5:47 PM GMT
    I still don't know which one guys prefer.

    Some seem to go crazyyyyyyy over uncut though.
  • monstapex

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    Feb 20, 2015 11:55 PM GMT
    Seems like the only men worried about foreskin are gay men .
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    Feb 21, 2015 5:59 AM GMT
    So far I have to say I'm glad everyone has remained very civil and polite about the topic, so thank you for that. What I'm getting from the responses is
    1) circumcision is deemed less of a challenge, thus it's recommendation by doctors and is sought out by new parents who aren't sure what to do. and
    2) it's ultimately the decision of the owner to do what he wishes with his member. I hope people continue to post, share stories and words of wisdom, etc. I think this is an issue that receives far less attention than it deserves.
  • monstapex

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    Feb 21, 2015 6:12 AM GMT
    pazzy said
    monstapex saidSeems like the only men worried about foreskin are gay men .

    200w.gif as if straight dudes are supposed to worry about dicks besides their own. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Exactly!The only time you should worry about another man's dick is if that bump on it oozing and/or contagious when its going in your ass or mouth.icon_evil.gif
  • bobbobbob

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    Feb 21, 2015 6:12 AM GMT
    It's been nice to see this discussion progress without digressing into a debate over whether cut or uncut is preferable.

    I think we can all agree that guys whose attractions to men are limited by whether they have foreskin or not are not only superficial but narrow minded.

    When I'm attracted to a guy the last thing on my list of priorities is foreskin or the size or what's between his legs.

    And equally superficial are the guys who think others should be impressed with their foreskin or the size of their tool.