CPAC 2015 - rejects Log Cabin as event sponsor

  • metta

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    Feb 20, 2015 3:23 AM GMT
    CPAC rejects Log Cabin as event sponsor

    "Organizers of the upcoming Conservative Political Action Conference are continuing an anti-gay tradition of refusing to allow an LGBT group to serve as a sponsor of the event, according to the Log Cabin Republicans."

    http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/02/19/cpac-rejects-log-cabin-event-sponsor/
  • Svnw688

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    Feb 20, 2015 5:24 AM GMT
    Oh this is so rich it HAS to be fattening.

    Thoughts from Republican/conservative RJers?
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    Feb 20, 2015 5:51 AM GMT
    Log Cabin Republicans are being kicked in the teeth by Conservatives, but are still groveling on their knees to CPAC, begging for acceptance. I wonder if they'll ever get the message that they aren't wanted. It couldn't be any clearer.

    Conservatives hate gays. Even gays who call themselves Republicans and Conservatives.

    Hey, dummies, they won't let you join their club. Why do you keep humiliating yourselves by trying? And continuing to pledge your allegiance to people, principles and a party that are fundamentally & irrevocably opposed to you?
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    Feb 20, 2015 6:00 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidLog Cabin Republicans are being kicked in the teeth by Conservatives, but are still groveling on their knees to CPAC, begging for acceptance. I wonder if they'll ever get the message that they aren't wanted. It couldn't be any clearer.


    Amen. Let me put the spin on it, for the Log Cabin-ites:

    (fixes stick up his arse)

    "Yes I'm being rejected, but I'm waging a battle. You liberals are with the Dem party because they easily accept you. At least I'm pushing for change. I'm working 'from the inside' and once inside, I will infiltrate the upper echelons of the organization and change for the better. I'll also be a living example of a self-respecting gay man and the other members, so impressed by how 'normal' I am, will slowly change, a sea-tide shift will occur, and from the inside I will effect change. Far sooner than protestations from the outside could ever hope to change the organization."

    Real world translation:

    I don't respect myself as a person and I'd prefer to compartmentalize the "gay" part of myself because I'm more than my sexuality. The powerful and well-connected CPAC network will clearly give up their power and listen to some belly-crawling fa**ot. All men/women in power listen to belly-crawlers who haven't the dignity to respect themselves.

    In short, they're masochists. There's nothing wrong with that. Some of us were abused as children and crave rejection (not me). Some of us are unlucky in love and crave indifference (not me). Some of us would rather fight for change from the inside rather than throw pithy barbs from the outside (I do this everyday in the Catholic church, but I readily admit my church is WRONG on this issue (and others) and I don't pretend like I'm superior to those who refuse the Catholic Church).

    Apparently, masochists not only fail to see the inanity of their struggle, but also are too weak to admit their side is "wrong." I'm done with willful stupidity. The Log Cabin Republicans deserve everything they're receiving. I hope CPAC didn't use lube.

    As a person who is on the "deal" side of powerful situations and so-called movers and shakers, I find it hilarious to think that CPAC--even IF they recognized the Log Cabin Republicans--would accept them as anything more than a check and cheap laugh at the cocktail party. Formal acceptance has NEVER equated to equity treatment, said EVERY person with power, ever. Have fun losing. Freaking losers, the lot of them.
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    Feb 20, 2015 7:19 AM GMT
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    Feb 20, 2015 7:26 AM GMT
    Svnw688 saidOh this is so rich it HAS to be fattening.

    Thoughts from Republican/conservative RJers?


    Until I had the duties of taking care of two parents with Alzheimer's from 2010 until last year, I used to go every year. And in situations such as these, I'm very very out just for the hilarity of it. I've can't say that I've ever had an incident. I go on my own and don't really hang out with Log Cabin .... sometimes a bit with NRA folks, but mostly on my own.

    I also won't be going this year because new house moving date is March 15th and I've got a big bunch to do. Next year, 2016, being an election year, I'm sure I'll go.
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    Feb 20, 2015 9:11 AM GMT
    .and this is news how?

    It's disappointing to see no one talking about what LCRs have done since they began almost 40 years ago.

    Log Cabin Republicans owe their start to Anita Bryant's campaign against gays in 1977. After she began her battle against in Miami she campaigned in other states to support banning gays from jobs in teaching. When she began working to support a referendum in California to do the same thing, gays in California borrowed and bought many of gay activists who's organized in South Florida and were destroying Bryant and all her supporters the old fashioned vindictive queer way. Through a network of informers throughout Florida and to a lesser degree in other areas, we compiled an extensive list of closeted politicians, businessmen and ministers that we leveraged. In 1977 and 78 I think we leaked information on at least two dozen prominent Bryant supporters that led to their divorces.

    It was a war and we fought dirty. We won.

    The people who left Florida to help in California were bought off and never returned after they organized to beat Bryant's campaign to ban gay teachers. The most amazing coup de grace LCRs pulled off was getting huge donations from Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, and other big Republicans to help defeat the initiative.

    Once the California initiative and Anita Bryant were defeated many of the leaders in LCR were coopted into either the Republican or Democratic party organizations with many being appointed to jobs in DC or state capitals. In those positions they gained power and money that made it in their best interests to keep their sex lives from becoming political issues. That's been the biggest problem I noticed in the LCR until I lost interest in it during the late 80s.
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    bobbobbob said.and this is news how?

    It's disappointing to see no one talking about what LCRs have done since they began almost 40 years ago.

    Log Cabin Republicans owe their start to Anita Bryant's campaign against gays in 1977. After she began her battle against in Miami she campaigned in other states to support banning gays from jobs in teaching. When she began working to support a referendum in California to do the same thing, gays in California borrowed and bought many of gay activists who's organized in South Florida and were destroying Bryant and all her supporters the old fashioned vindictive queer way. Through a network of informers throughout Florida and to a lesser degree in other areas, we compiled an extensive list of closeted politicians, businessmen and ministers that we leveraged. In 1977 and 78 I think we leaked information on at least two dozen prominent Bryant supporters that led to their divorces.

    It was a war and we fought dirty. We won.

    The people who left Florida to help in California were bought off and never returned after they organized to beat Bryant's campaign to ban gay teachers. The most amazing coup de grace LCRs pulled off was getting huge donations from Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, and other big Republicans to help defeat the initiative.

    Once the California initiative and Anita Bryant were defeated many of the leaders in LCR were coopted into either the Republican or Democratic party organizations with many being appointed to jobs in DC or state capitals. In those positions they gained power and money that made it in their best interests to keep their sex lives from becoming political issues. That's been the biggest problem I noticed in the LCR until I lost interest in it during the late 80s.


    I do remember now that you mention all of this. I was a county chair in the reelection effort of Gerry Ford in 76.

    After moving to SoCal in 1980 I was semi active in LCR in West LA up until around 2008 when my parents started really having problems and I was flying back and forth from 2008 to 2010 and then moving back here in 2010.
  • Svnw688

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    Feb 20, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
    The LCRs are f-ing insane.

    The LCRs supported Romney in 2012, despite Romney's advocating a Man/Woman Marriage Amendment, call to reinstate DADT in the military, and opposition to ENDA (Employment Non-Discrimination Act).

    You all are ignorant for supporting the LCRs. The group is filled with self-hating closet cases, loons and fools.
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    Feb 21, 2015 2:39 PM GMT
    I wonder if the Republican Party ever backed gay rights wholeheartedly, would way more gays be conservative? Social issues are very important to me. But taxes and big government drive me crazy as well. I find myself square in the middle torn at times.

    Regarding CPAC, I do believe that you do need some people on the inside to get groups to change. My reaction to this article isn't to laugh at Log Cabin guys at all. I feel mostly sad and disappointed because with as much progress gays have made, we still have so much more work to do. And we'll need some Republicans to empathize and propose solutions, too. If the LCR can accomplish that (and tax reform), I have no problem with that.
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    Feb 21, 2015 5:13 PM GMT
    Here's LCR's statement on the issue. Scroll down to view it on left:

    http://www.logcabin.org/

    And Svn, you got it right the first time:

    "Yes I'm being rejected, but I'm waging a battle. You liberals are with the Dem party because they easily accept you. At least I'm pushing for change. I'm working 'from the inside' and once inside, I will infiltrate the upper echelons of the organization and change for the better. I'll also be a living example of a self-respecting gay man and the other members, so impressed by how 'normal' I am, will slowly change, a sea-tide shift will occur, and from the inside I will effect change. Far sooner than protestations from the outside could ever hope to change the organization."

    Stick w/ law and leave pop psychology to daytime TV.

    Thanks for telling some of LCR's history, Bobbo.
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    Feb 21, 2015 5:22 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidHere's LCR's statement on the issue. Scroll down to view it on left:

    http://www.logcabin.org/

    And Svn, you got it right the first time:

    "Yes I'm being rejected, but I'm waging a battle. You liberals are with the Dem party because they easily accept you. At least I'm pushing for change. I'm working 'from the inside' and once inside, I will infiltrate the upper echelons of the organization and change for the better. I'll also be a living example of a self-respecting gay man and the other members, so impressed by how 'normal' I am, will slowly change, a sea-tide shift will occur, and from the inside I will effect change. Far sooner than protestations from the outside could ever hope to change the organization."

    Stick w/ law and leave pop psychology to daytime TV.

    Thanks for telling some of LCR's history, Bobbo.


    Two points: The LCR back then does not = the LCR today. This is true of many a political party as well.

    Second, the quote, " "Yes I'm being rejected, but I'm waging a battle. You liberals are with the Dem party because they easily accept you. At least I'm pushing for change. I'm working 'from the inside' and once inside, I will infiltrate the upper echelons of the organization and change for the better. I'll also be a living example of a self-respecting gay man and the other members, so impressed by how 'normal' I am, will slowly change, a sea-tide shift will occur, and from the inside I will effect change. Far sooner than protestations from the outside could ever hope to change the organization."

    The secret plan explained in this quote is not so secret, and it's rather obvious that the Republican powers-that-be against gay equality are onto this tactic, as evidenced by the behaviour of CPAC towards LCR..
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    Feb 21, 2015 5:30 PM GMT
    In what ways is LCR today different from LCR then?
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    MGINSD saidHere's LCR's statement on the issue. Scroll down to view it on left:

    http://www.logcabin.org/

    And Svn, you got it right the first time:

    "Yes I'm being rejected, but I'm waging a battle. You liberals are with the Dem party because they easily accept you. At least I'm pushing for change. I'm working 'from the inside' and once inside, I will infiltrate the upper echelons of the organization and change for the better. I'll also be a living example of a self-respecting gay man and the other members, so impressed by how 'normal' I am, will slowly change, a sea-tide shift will occur, and from the inside I will effect change. Far sooner than protestations from the outside could ever hope to change the organization."

    Stick w/ law and leave pop psychology to daytime TV.

    Thanks for telling some of LCR's history, Bobbo.


    Precisely ++++

    "You liberals are with the Dem party because they easily accept you."

    I guess they need to meet some democrats I know who are USW and UAW. They wouldn't feel so welcome.

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    woodfordr saidI wonder if the Republican Party ever backed gay rights wholeheartedly, would way more gays be conservative? Social issues are very important to me. But taxes and big government drive me crazy as well. I find myself square in the middle torn at times.

    Regarding CPAC, I do believe that you do need some people on the inside to get groups to change. My reaction to this article isn't to laugh at Log Cabin guys at all. I feel mostly sad and disappointed because with as much progress gays have made, we still have so much more work to do. And we'll need some Republicans to empathize and propose solutions, too. If the LCR can accomplish that (and tax reform), I have no problem with that.


    Perfect.
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    Feb 21, 2015 11:13 PM GMT
    Fifteen years ago... I went to a few LCR meetings....and as an African American Republican... I did not feel welcome. However.. I believed in smaller government.. tax reform... and small business growth as a business owner myself. The GOP of 15 years ago... and the GOP now is not the same thing. As why I voted DEM in the past 3 national cycles.... You cannot make a change from within if you don't have the opportunity to get in.... When I decided to no longer support LCR is when they supported Romney.. who wants to treat Gay People like second citizens.
    I take CPAC stance on Gay Rights PERSONAL... As they want to take away my rights of freedom and happiness.
    As far as I am concerned LCR are as much of bigots as CPAC as they want to align themselves with them. We should not be trying to change the minds and hearts or "CPAC Bigots".... but defeat them... destroy them... Out the Gay Closeted ones...and beat them in to non-existent... so that the word conservative no longer means "Racist, Sexist, Bigots and Homophobic"... which is what Conservatives means now.
  • metta

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    Feb 22, 2015 12:27 AM GMT
    The Log Cabin Republicans did do a good job in helping to end DADT

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans_v._United_States
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    Feb 22, 2015 1:05 AM GMT
    Svnw688 saidThe LCRs are f-ing insane.

    The LCRs supported Romney in 2012, despite Romney's advocating a Man/Woman Marriage Amendment, call to reinstate DADT in the military, and opposition to ENDA (Employment Non-Discrimination Act).

    You all are ignorant for supporting the LCRs. The group is filled with self-hating closet cases, loons and fools.


    I hate to bust your bubble Svnw but no matter how you cut it being gay only comprises a fraction of your life and mine. There are other political and economic considerations that will have more long lasting effect on your well being than which politician says he supports gay issues.

    Politicians, both liberal and conservative depend on polarizing voters by appealing to their emotional attachment to singular issues. Voting for a candidate just because he promises to support gay marriage is exactly what he wants you to do by saying he's for it. Hence Obama has vacillated in his support five times since he ran for the Illinois state senate.

    And the stands politicians take are determined less by their personal convictions than by what is most popular with their most likely supporters - i.e. the public. It has been that way since recorded elections started over 2500 years ago and it will not change. They have always and will always say whatever they need to say in order to win the majority of votes.

    Here's words about winning elections that are 2100 years ld and just as applicable today as when they were written.

    "Be overly generous with your promises as men prefer empty promises to flat refusals. Contrive any controversy against your opponent for crimes, corruption or immorality and exploit them to the end. When you yourself are accused of the same, treat the accusations with mockery and patronizing condescension. Promise anything, unless some clear obligation prevented by laws, but remember to only fulfill those promises that benefit yourself and your greater ambitions."

    I've yet to meet anyone successful in politics who cannot quote from this letter Cicero received from his brother. It's quite well read and practiced around the world.
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=election+advice+to+cicero&form=APMCS1

    In 1998 the chairman of Disney, Mike Eisner was threatened with a christian boycott for hosting "gay days" at Disneyworld and offering spousal benefits to same sex partners. in a discussion about it over drinks with Steven Dunlap, founder of the now defunct Gay & Lesbian Bank and famous gay nightclub and event organizer, Johnny Chisholm and others the subject of gay marriage in the US came up. All of us older gents agreed that it was inevitable regardless of state or national politicians. We said this because we had lived long enough to see the steady progress towards gay equality from the early 1970s. From our perspective over decades we could see the straight line of events leading to gay marriage becoming legal and accepted. We projected it would be complete by 2020 or 2030. It appears we were conservative with our prediction.

    However, the younger men in the conversation laughed at us and said we were full of shit. Now after 17 years those same young men are still eating humble pie every time I have a chance to serve it to them.

    Another thing that has gone unnoticed was something Bill O'Reilly of Fox News said on air over a year ago. He was lambasted by fundamentalists for saying they did not have a compelling argument against acceptance of gay marriage in the US and their efforts were in vain. According to people who regularly watch that channel, Fox News has begun steadily weaning itself off nightly reports on gay news stories. O'Reilly recently chided Ben Carson and other potential GOP presidential candidates for their antiquated positions on gay marriage. Chris Wallace of Fox openly ridiculed Alabama's judge Roy Moore during an interview and predicted he would be ousted from the state supreme court a second time for disregarding higher court decisions.

    My biggest considerations for not supporting Obama were economic and putting the interests of the nation as a whole before my own interests in gay equality. When Obama took office the national debt was at $30,000 for every man woman and child in the US. In six years under Obama that has almost doubled even before considering the costs of ACA that were intentionally concealed from the public from the beginning.

    While "Whitehouse estimates" of unemployment are at 5%, extensive Gallup studies have placed it at an astounding but believable 10%. With the US having the highest corporate taxes in the world which have taken jobs and wealth to more favorable nations, Obama will soon be proposing increases in corporate rates and even unenforcable penalties for those who leave the US in order to remain competitive.

    I also had kept up with the entire concept of Cap and Trade that he initially intended to impose in the US and knew it was the single biggest scam and rape of industry and the middle class to benefit the Wall Street mega rich ever attempted.

    For you to denigrate and dismiss people as ignorant for disagreeing with your single issue approach to supporting a candidate and party is more a statement about your own shallow comprehension of matters greater than your own interests.




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    Feb 22, 2015 1:47 AM GMT
    metta8 saidThe Log Cabin Republicans did do a good job in helping to end DADT

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans_v._United_States


    That was our chapter in LA
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    Feb 22, 2015 3:05 AM GMT
    MGINSD saidHere's LCR's statement on the issue. Scroll down to view it on left:

    http://www.logcabin.org/


    Thanks for telling some of LCR's history, Bobbo.


    My pleasure MGinSD.

    Come to Pensacola and buy me a few drinks and I'll tell you things the statutes of limitations haven't expired on. LOL. Gay political activity in the 1970s was better organized and effective on a national level than anything since then. No internet was even dream about back then. We could coordinate from South Florida to the west coast and all points in between in one evening using nothing but the "little black books" every self respecting queer kept of phone numbers of every gay contact they made. I've kept newspapers and magazines from the "Orange Juice War" days along with records from our meetings and some videotaped memoires of some of the other people who were instrumental in defeating Anita Bryant and the anti-gay legislation that popped up after she began her crusade.

    We didn't fight homophobes fairly or face to face. We destroyed marriages, reputations, families, businesses, fortunes and careers and we did it with out losing a minute's sleep about it. That was the only way we could make an asset of the fact that most openly gay men and women were still closeted in jobs, churches, families etc. It was a ready made nationwide spy network waiting to be put into action. Several professional athletes and notable celebrities were named and became willing financial supporters.

    The jackpot of that period was getting several confirmed reports about gays working for and with Jerry Falwell. Once they were contacted and felt pressured they became great informants to protect their own asses. They gave names of people in all levels of government, ministers across the USA and even their high priced confidential escorts who in turn gave more names and were more than helpful in creating havoc for straights and gays hiding as straights.

    In Time Magazine 1978 there was an article in which an FBI spokesman theorized gay lines of communication were working with spy rings from the USSR and were the greatest threat in the history of the US. We laughed about it. His name was on our suspect lists from men he'd had sex with in the military, law school and in DC. Shortly thereafter his wife, the New York Times and the FBI got pictures of him naked in a pool with a man... with a return address as the deceased former head of the FBI, J Edgar Hoover.

    .....and that's just some of the "tame" things I knew about at the time.
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    Art_Deco saidLog Cabin Republicans are being kicked in the teeth by Conservatives, but are still groveling on their knees to CPAC, begging for acceptance. I wonder if they'll ever get the message that they aren't wanted. It couldn't be any clearer.

    Conservatives hate gays. Even gays who call themselves Republicans and Conservatives.

    Hey, dummies, they won't let you join their club. Why do you keep humiliating yourselves by trying? And continuing to pledge your allegiance to people, principles and a party that are fundamentally & irrevocably opposed to you?



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    bobbobbob said
    Gay political activity in the 1970s was better organized and effective on a national level than anything since then...

    WOW! I had no idea. I was in the Army at that time, convinced I was straight and barely interested in what was happening in the "civilian" world, whether gay or straight. And also stationed in Germany during some of this, not getting a lot of US domestic news. I used to joke that I viewed my military life as a lot like being a cloistered monk. So this is all unknown to me.

    My husband does tell me some of his own experiences in the "Orange Juice War" right here in Florida where he's lived since 1969. And how Anita Bryant was sabotaged and ruined. But I never heard anything like your own exploits. I hope you've recorded all this for historians, it's the kind of living history we shouldn't lose.
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    bobbobbob said
    Gay political activity in the 1970s was better organized and effective on a national level than anything since then...

    WOW! I had no idea. I was in the Army at that time, convinced I was straight and barely interested in what was happening in the "civilian" world, whether gay or straight. And also stationed in Germany during some of this, not getting a lot of US domestic news. I used to joke that I viewed my military life as a lot like being a cloistered monk. So this is all unknown to me.

    My husband does tell me some of his own experiences in the "Orange Juice War" right here in Florida where he's lived since 1969. And how Anita Bryant was sabotaged and ruined. But I never heard anything like your own exploits. I hope you've recorded all this for historians, it's the kind of living history we shouldn't lose.


    Ok, now you understand a little better what I've been talking about, that a big bunch of shit went down in that decade? And this is long before the days of Act Up and Queer Nation, which many folks see as the start of the movement.

    At the beginning of the decade of the 70s I can't say that I had much in the way of influence given that I was only 16, but I was involved as much as I could be.

    I think I still have my little 'black book' full of phone numbers ... not so much written IN the book. but stuffed in there on bar napkins.
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    Ok, now you understand a little better what I've been talking about, that a big bunch of shit went down in that decade? And this is long before the days of Act Up and Queer Nation, which many folks see as the start of the movement.

    At the beginning of the decade of the 70s I can't say that I had much in the way of influence given that I was only 16, but I was involved as much as I could be.

    I think I still have my little 'black book' full of phone numbers ... not so much written IN the book. but stuffed in there on bar napkins.

    I wasn't aware you've been talking about anything of interest here from your personal experiences. And I have studied that era since coming out, and don't recall seeing you mentioned.

    What is new to me is the networking that gays were using to coordinate their actions, pre-Internet. I know most of the important events & dates, but the background operational aspects are a revelation to me. Credit my military experience that I find it so fascinating.

    And if what you say about yourself is true, why do you deny that you're gay? Which you've done repeatedly here. Instead you've invented some kind of quasi-sexuality with which I think most of us are not familiar.

    But I am truly astonished by the things that bobbobbob did during that period. Now there's a pioneer. The sorts of things that need to be written down and remembered, studied even in our community. He & I are the same age, and while I was off playing soldier he was doing things I really envy.
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    Feb 22, 2015 8:04 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    bobbobbob said
    Gay political activity in the 1970s was better organized and effective on a national level than anything since then...

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    Art Deco said,

    WOW! I had no idea. I was in the Army at that time, convinced I was straight and barely interested in what was happening in the "civilian" world, whether gay or straight. And also stationed in Germany during some of this, not getting a lot of US domestic news. I used to joke that I viewed my military life as a lot like being a cloistered monk. So this is all unknown to me.

    My husband does tell me some of his own experiences in the "Orange Juice War" right here in Florida where he's lived since 1969. And how Anita Bryant was sabotaged and ruined. But I never heard anything like your own exploits. I hope you've recorded all this for historians, it's the kind of living history we shouldn't lose.


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    Freedomisntfree said

    The Log Cabin Republicans did do a good job in helping to end DADT

    and...

    Ok, now you understand a little better what I've been talking about, that a big bunch of shit went down in that decade? And this is long before the days of Act Up and Queer Nation, which many folks see as the start of the movement.

    At the beginning of the decade of the 70s I can't say that I had much in the way of influence given that I was only 16, but I was involved as much as I could be.

    I think I still have my little 'black book' full of phone numbers ... not so much written IN the book. but stuffed in there on bar napkins.

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    @ Art Deco.
    The crazy part for all of us on the front, lines of the Orange Juice War was that at the time all we were concerned about was "the fight" and had no friggin idea what we were doing was going to be history.

    Hell yeah Anita Bryant was sabotaged and ruined in 1977. 1968. 1969. 1970, 71, 72, 73, 74, ... in fact there hasn't been much that's gone right for her in 38 years and she ought to be used to it by now. She was caught cheating on her husband the same time he was caught cheating on her. Her amusement park in Tennessee went belly up the 2nd year. Bankrupt twice, IRS chewed her up. She couldn't draw a crowd in Branson Missouri She still can't get anyone to produce her autobiographical movie.

    Her husband Bob Green was the biggest name in top 40s radio in South Florida, a concert promoter and her manager. In 1980 the only job he could get was midnight to five on a C&W station that morphed into talk radio a decade later. He died blaming gays for everything that went wrong with his life, bankruptcies, evictions, auto repos, you name it.

    That might seem awful but take into consideration no fewer than 2 dozen prominent gay men who were first outed and then lost jobs and careers due to Anita Bryant's warriors committed suicide. Easily over 200 lost their jobs and survived. They remorselessly fucked with the lives of gay people and got fucked back. Oh well.

    As far as recording it and keeping records, YES. I've kept newspapers and magazines from then and much more. There's a moral dilemma in moving forward with releasing the material. Some of the strongest supporters we had during the orange juice war were well known men who are as deep into their closets today as they were in 1977. There's four left and the youngest one is 71. No one is going to make him or the other three face the humiliation of feeling their public images are ruined by being outed.

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    @ Freedomisntfree

    About DADT. You do realize that after LCR had fought through the courts to get DADT repealed AND WON all but the final last ditch appeal, Obama jumped in and made it an exec order to steal the thunder. Mitch McConnell threw that bone to Obama in some of their negotiations.

    Oh yeah I understand real well about the shit back in that era! Act Up and Queer Nation have never been anything but circle jerks of politically correct talking point choirs. Protests? Petitions? Boycotts? LOL. That's so "pussy." The best way to describe our strategy came out of the mouth of an older guy named Lester at a meeting where a flowers and peace sign dike asked him what we were trying to win by fighting back.

    Lester said, "There's nothing we can win, dear. We're only going to make sure they lose everything."

    and we did a good job of it if I can say so.

    I have at least 10 "little black books" of my own and a whole box of them that belonged to friends who died of AIDS and other causes. When they died we called numbers in them to let people know. Most of the people in all our phone numbers died between 1984 to 1994.

    Whatever you do, don't throw you old little black book away. One day there may be a museum display for them and you can donate it. Just the idea of knowing there's someone alive out there besides me with one from the old days gives me chills. Thanks.