Depression

  • Aidenz

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    Feb 23, 2015 4:34 AM GMT
    What's your views on depression. My parents often say that depression comes from a chemical imbalance in the brain. I've understood it as an emotional issue where one doesn't see the point in going on, often finds their actions don't matter and so become lethargic, do less, and feel generally sad and terrible. I've heard it also defined as when a person's energy is no longer able to support the amount of stress that they receive. To me that sounds a lot like dying. Sometimes I've felt like I've been depressed, like I'm not important and what I do doesn't matter. To go into why you'd have to know much more about me. I find that to be a big issue in college life and with a number of my friends. Often times I find myself avoiding issues, making them worse, even though sometimes distractions seem to take the edge off.

    I encourage you to give your opinion. What's a healthy way to deal with depression? Are anti-depressants only good for symptoms while the underlying problem is deeper? And most importantly, why is it such a common occurrence in our society.
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    Feb 23, 2015 6:25 AM GMT
    I read recently that people often misunderstand clinical depression vs sadness.

    It's normal that we feel sad when we get rejected, feel lonely, etc, etc. Clinical depression goes much deeper that it requires medication.

    By that definition, I think I've only been sad about life disappointments but never gotten to the point of "depression."
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    Feb 23, 2015 6:36 AM GMT
    All of the above. The problem with using medications is the possibility of dependency. I think one should avail oneself of other methods of adjusting brain chemistry, such as meditation, sports/exercise, and cheap meaningless sex.
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    Feb 23, 2015 7:04 AM GMT
    Cheap meaningless sex works for me. Drugs where required might only be needed temporarily, not unlike how a muscle relaxer can stop the spasm to break the pain/contraction/pain cycle and give the back some time to heal. Good point on differentiating sadness from depression.

    Causes could be chemical (such as bipolar), environmental (poverty and hunger), situational (mourning, break ups), etc., or mix and match. And then depending on what you are dealing with, along with your resources (intellectual, financial, access), depth of affliction and given whatever effective methods available, etc., is how you deal with it.

    If a severe chemical imbalance then psychopharmacology might be required. But even if it is something like manic-depression aka bipolar, if not severe, then maybe psychotherapy can help a person learn how to control and ride out the swings.

    I'm not sure how accurate it is to say depression is so common in society because more likely it's probably simply pretty common to humanity and I would think it occurs with regular frequency throughout much of the animal kingdom, particularly of the higher functioning species. Though of course stresses of society can exacerbate while tools of society can alleviate.

    Now, when you say your parents say chemical but you say emotional, realize that the brain is neurochemical. The brain is made up of neurons. So emotions in that sense can be described as chemical.

    Depression can be so severe that it does drain energy or prevents a person from accessing their energy (however you care to describe it) possibly because it seems to use a lot of energy, exhaustingly so, leaving no energy for other tasks. And if that interferes with the tasks of daily living, then you've a serious problem, seek professional help.

    As to your comment that this so-called energy "is no longer able to support the amount of stress they receive", realize that even while stress can bring on depression, the depression itself is stressful, it generates stress, so much so, that a person can die of a broken heart. Of being so sad, so stressed out, that the heart gives out. And that's this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takotsubo_cardiomyopathy

    Ego issues from either direction can lead to depression, so, as you say, when lacking confidence in yourself, worried about your importance, sure, that would be depressing. But also someone's overly inflated ego probably leads to some not very pretty mood swings too. Though while lacking self importance probably more likely leads to some depression or at least melancholy, too much self importance surely leads to delusion.

    And looking at it from that aspect, then meditation might be helpful. Learning to understand yourself and what makes you tick. Because the more you know yourself and the more practiced you are at centering yourself then the better your chances to smooth out some of the mood swings of life.

    And there is research now in that direction. And here's that...

    http://www.tibet.emory.edu/
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    [url]http://tibet.emory.edu/documents/cbct-foundation-resources/cbct-introduction-and-overview/CBCT%20Intro%20and%20Overview.pdf[/url]
    During the 2003-2004 academic year at Emory University, increasing signs of mental distress among undergraduates, including several suicides, prompted Emory student Molly Harrington to ask whether there were resources available to help young people deal with stress and depression. Based on her appeal, Geshe Lobsang Negi developed CBCT, a model for a secular compassion meditation practice drawn from the vast, varied Tibetan Buddhist tradition. In 2005 the Emory-Tibet Partnership and the Emory Mind-Body Program forged an innovative study to examine the impact of compassion meditation in treating depression among undergraduates.


    http://www.tibet.emory.edu/cognitively-based-compassion-training/index.html
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    Feb 23, 2015 7:59 AM GMT
    Don't know the causes. Medications work for a lot of people - but one may have to try out several before finding one that works with you - and the right dosage - and results might not be seen for weeks.

    Exercise is supposed to help.
  • TheBaise

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    Feb 23, 2015 2:51 PM GMT
    Had an ex who was / is bi-polar. On & off his meds, because he hated taking them / the meds made him put on weight from sitting around eating too much. The meds caused him to feel calm but lethargic, so he'd go up & down. Euphoric highs where all was well / when on his meds, to crashing lows and violent behavior when not following doctors' orders to stay on the meds.
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    Feb 23, 2015 5:02 PM GMT
    Another man is what you'll see
    Who looks like you and looks like me
    And yet somehow he will not feel the same


    His life caught up in misery
    He doesn't think like you and me
    'Cause he can't see what you and I can see
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    Feb 23, 2015 6:25 PM GMT
    theantijock saidAnother man is what you'll see
    Who looks like you and looks like me
    And yet somehow he will not feel the same

    His life caught up in misery
    He doesn't think like you and me
    'Cause he can't see what you and I can see


    This was one of my favorite songs as a child. And I've dealt with variances of depression all my life. I think it's a combination of things - for me at least.
  • johnnyqhomo7

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    Feb 23, 2015 6:28 PM GMT
    I am disabled because i have clinical depression. Suicide attempts galore. I am thankful to God and Jesus im still alive! icon_smile.gif I think that sadness is normal, but when the sadness is so consistent that it interferes with your everyday life...someething must be done. Im on medication now and I feel a bit better. I can't say I am ready to go out and conquer the world, but i can say i dont want to die as much anymore.
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    Feb 23, 2015 9:00 PM GMT
    manboynyc saidThis was one of my favorite songs as a child. And I've dealt with variances of depression all my life. I think it's a combination of things - for me at least.


    That fits pretty much perfectly with everything else I've read from you. You are a beautiful man.
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    Feb 23, 2015 11:31 PM GMT
    I only discovered in the last couple of years that I struggle with depression. What has worked for me is a combination of both counseling and taking natural supplements that help boost my mood and energy levels. I take inositol and an adrenal support supplement every day. This has worked for me so far. Good luck!
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    Feb 24, 2015 5:36 AM GMT
    It is debatable. I probably to an extent suffer from major depressive disorder in general, as it tends to run in my family. But the cause seems clearer now; I feel miserable and run down lately in particular because I've just become more aware of how shitty the world really is.

    It's Weltschmerz. The world sucks and so do the people in it for the most part. And the worst part is we collectively are doomed to complete self-destruction. So I guess it's partly also major cynicism.
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    Feb 24, 2015 7:36 PM GMT
    Exercise! I am not a person who has suffered with clinical depression - so I wouldn't try to speak to that - but exercise has helped me get through the various bleak and stressful stretches in my life. And I get a boost from whatever exercise is it; cardio, lifting, yoga, tai chi, soccer, tennis, sex, all seem to have a good effect for me.

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    Feb 24, 2015 8:44 PM GMT
    You may be able to relate to my story if you are in college.Here's a little bit of my background and where I'm at.

    I'm currently a Junior at Uni. I'm majoring in mechanical engineering. I work on homework and group projects all day, go to bed around 1am then often wake up around 5am to study. On weekends I work 20 hours so I never really get a chance to take a break. It's hard not to look at my schedule and wonder how I'm going to get through the next day. I have seen lots of friends around me not make it through the tough coursework. I have had friends distance themselves from me because I don't have much time to spend with them. Classes are extremely tough and the average grades on exams are often failing grades. Even with getting grades above the average score I often feel like I'm not good enough or that I'll never be the successful person I always dreamed of being.

    To make things worse there's this whole 'gay' thing looming over me. My parents do not know and neither do many of my close friends. It's easy for people to always say that "oh don't worry about it, they won't care or they'll still love you", but when your close friends are all you have and you depend on your parents to help pay for college it's not so easy. Especially when all my friends and family have made many negative comments about gay people.

    Some days the anxiety literally makes me sick to my stomach. I have seen friends enter college happy people and leave a different person. People from high school that I never thought would ever take their own life committed suicide while in college. I always thought I was happy, but I fear that I am becoming someone that I am not.

    Is this depression? I don't know. The thing that keeps me going are the small things in life. Having another hobby outside of school is really important. Weightlifting is great because you can set goals for yourself and even when things aren't going great in the classroom you can feel like you are achieving something. The biggest thing of all--don't let yourself think about it. Don't let yourself drift off into those dark places. If you're starting to reflect on how bad things are for you then immediately recognize it and change the task you are doing.
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    Feb 24, 2015 9:12 PM GMT
    _ragazzo_ saidExercise! I am not a person who has suffered with clinical depression - so I wouldn't try to speak to that - but exercise has helped me get through the various bleak and stressful stretches in my life. And I get a boost from whatever exercise is it; cardio, lifting, yoga, tai chi, soccer, tennis, sex, all seem to have a good effect for me.



    Exercise definitely helps...but I think even more than the exercise is the routine.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Feb 25, 2015 5:43 PM GMT
    I suffer from Bi-Polar disorder and PTSD

    The latter is due to childhood trauma.

    The former is due to chemical in balances in my brain and the way my brain metabolises various chemicals.

    Being clinically depressed is not the same as being " a bit sad" or being depressed due to a situation. They may appear to be the same, but one is due to the brain being a bit faulty.

    I find exercise really helps. But due to body issues I can occasionally have panic attacks in the gym. which is not good. I keep going back, however
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    Feb 25, 2015 8:51 PM GMT
    It comes and goes. It comes and goes...

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    Feb 26, 2015 10:21 PM GMT
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    Feb 27, 2015 6:27 AM GMT
    You obviously either hate or love me, Alan. I'll settle for the latter.

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