Getting HIV on PURPOSE???

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    Feb 23, 2015 11:48 AM GMT
    Okay, as I was getting ready for my morning run a friend sent me the following…



    So let me get this straight….

    1) You mean to tell me that there are actually people dumb enough to want to contract HIV for a "free ride"?

    2) And that HIV+ men are out here passing it out like Macy's free perfume samples to the willing?!

    WHAT!!!!!
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    Has anyone else heard of this? I'm trying to figure out how common this is because I'm absolutely terrified of catching HIV and can't wrap my mind around people wanting the virus.
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    Feb 23, 2015 12:38 PM GMT
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bug-chasing-men-deliberately-trying-2033433
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    Feb 23, 2015 1:11 PM GMT
    "Has anyone else heard of this? I'm trying to figure out how common this is because I'm absolutely terrified of catching HIV and can't wrap my mind around people wanting the virus."

    You're terrified, yet can't wrap your mind around it????

    If you're POS then you no long have to be terrified do you???

    Personally I'm "absolutely terrified" you are just now hearing about this.
    What else have you not heard of?

    BTW it's not as common as it was a few years ago, when there were actually "Bug parties". I think that is due to PrEP.
  • Svnw688

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    Feb 23, 2015 3:21 PM GMT
    The phenomenon is known as "bug chasing" and it has existed, at least, since 1999, when I heard about it.

    How have you not heard of this self-destructive concept?
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    Feb 23, 2015 4:21 PM GMT
    I can see the appeal from the perspective of a distressed logic.
    Imagine being able to reduce your myriad anxieties in life down to one.

    Fortunately a rare few conclude that their chaotic lives would be better by adding HIV.
  • NeuralShock

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    Feb 23, 2015 4:23 PM GMT
    Anyone that says they want to contract HIV should be treated in the exact same manner as someone issuing a direct suicide threat.

    They should promptly be arrested and forced to receive the medical care they clearly need in a facility.

    This is absolutely vile, I've heard of some VERY messed up things but this is amazingly high on that list.
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    Feb 23, 2015 5:43 PM GMT
    It is clearly just another method of self-harming, which is always an indication of mental problems. While, of course, it is a disturbing phenomenon, I'm guessing it is a rarity, albeit a 'newsworthy' one.
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    Feb 23, 2015 5:50 PM GMT
    I've not given this much thought but it strikes me as possibly how some guys might "resolve" their dilemma of wanting sex but being worn out by worry.

    So on a bugchaser's side it's never acceptable but possibly an understandable neurosis while on the gifter side it can only be seen as sociopathic.
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    Feb 23, 2015 7:25 PM GMT
    However ludicrous the idea is of purposely getting HIV so that you will be taken care of financially, it does not appear too easy to get disability for it, much like trying to get unemployment benefits, there is certain criteria and variation in illness prognosis one has to meet. Since the advance of new treatments, Hiv has become a treatable medical condition, not necessarily a death sentence anymore. (unless people are not getting tested at all and wait until they get sick like in the first few years of the epidemic)
    Employment guidelines have changed to accommodate the illness.

    While our gay community continues to be ostracized, especially young people, current suicide rates among us, family abandonment, forced into porn and high unemployment everywhere, it does not surprise me that young gay men want to be infected, there seems to be a feeling of 'hopelessness' with the last few generations. (I am not going political here, but politics does play a role in what's happening to our people). What they might not realize, its now a manageable condition, if caught early. Maybe back when you knew you were going to die of it, I've known a few who have past away, but now, it doesn't make any sense. Its now illegal to pass the virus on if one knows about it. Nowadays, wanting to get infected is no longer 'suicide', but a 'cry for help' during, after the great recession



    How to Get Disability for HIV/AIDS
    http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/resources/social-security-disability/how-get-disability-hiv-aids.htm

    http://www.ada.gov/aids/ada_q&a_aids.htm


    Young gay man just won an Oscar! You bet, this years Oscars was all politics

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    Feb 23, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
    I think back in the old days (before the first playstation xD ) people used to think it was something that was just a matter of time and relationships or chance to find someone to have one were rare so they would do it in order to be "free" and never have to worry about HIV again so they could have all the sex they could have...was all there was (for the most part) in terms of conection or so I understand, also bad sex information

    regardless it´s a mental issue (big one), selfharm, if anyone does this "bug chace" they clearly have some BIG mental problem and need help, even with todays medication for people with HIV it´s still no joke, the meds have a LOT of neg side effects and you may not respond well to the treatment, also your health will never be as strong and the same again
  • Svnw688

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    Feb 23, 2015 7:34 PM GMT
    Financial assistance and disability?

    From who and how much?

    My understanding is that in NYC it qualifies you for government housing and essentially pays a substantial portion of the cost. I've also heard of organizations to help subsidize or pay for the patient's medicine costs. Food stamps are offered regardless of HIV status and based on income, so that's irrelevant here.

    Do people actually get checks in the mail for being HIV positive? If so, please indicate the jurisdiction/locale, because I'm fairly confident there's no such payment from the federal government.

    EDIT: Apparently people can con the feds too via the social security disability benefits program. Hmm, I didn't know they'd have such light standards in their "bluebook." The losing 10% of your body weight and having an extended fever would be child's play to falsify with the "right" doctor.
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    Feb 23, 2015 8:56 PM GMT
    OK, well, now I've actually watched a few moments of that vid.

    “…and why are people doing that…and he said: oh because it’s a free ride. You’ll get…help from the government…help from nonprofit organizations and you don’t have to worry about getting HIV again…”


    Yikes. Okay, I've seen enough.

    I was taught that when you want something, you do your chores around the house so that you get your allowance and when that wasn't enough you go around the neighborhood and see if you can get paid for doing chores for others.

    And then you separate your chores money into envelops labeled with things you want. So you might have a new bicycle envelop and maybe you fund that with chores money from taking out the garbage. Or one for a new walkie-talkie set--the GI Joe version, very cool at the time, which you funded by raking leaves or shoveling snow.

    I don't ever recall having an envelop labeled dinner out by disease.

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    Feb 23, 2015 9:09 PM GMT
    ELNathB said

    Young gay man just won an Oscar! You bet, this years Oscars was all politics



    As long as we are off-topic, his was a great speech. But it's really too bad he got an Oscar for that script. The screenplay was the worst thing about the film, which would have been much, much better with a decent screenplay.
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    Feb 23, 2015 9:11 PM GMT
    Bug Chasers and Gift Givers (where is David???) while it exists like other strange things, is very rare.

    HIV payments? Ha HA!!!!

    You have to sick, more like AIDS. Not a road to tread lightly on. I'd love to get payments but that will never happen, I've got 1183 T cells, no V load, and "normal" blood work.

    In the 90s you could commonly get disability with an AIDS diagnosis with (key word) debilitating effects.
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    Feb 23, 2015 9:41 PM GMT
    ELNathB said




    Young gay man just won an Oscar! You bet, this years Oscars was all politics




    'THE IMITATION GAME' SCREENWRITER GRAHAM MOORE: 'I'M NOT GAY'

    "he told BuzzFeed News, “I’m not gay"

    http://www.towleroad.com/2015/02/the-imitation-game-screenwriter-graham-moore-im-not-gay-video.html
  • Svnw688

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    Feb 23, 2015 10:20 PM GMT
    @Hidden Member

    That's almost EXACTLY how I motivated myself and tracked my progress as a kid. Only instead of envelopes, I had a Photo Album, with about 9 slots per page. It held about $100 dollars. Seeing the album "fill up" with green was very motivating as a child.
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    Feb 24, 2015 12:29 AM GMT
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    That's almost EXACTLY how I motivated myself and tracked my progress as a kid. Only instead of envelopes, I had a Photo Album, with about 9 slots per page. It held about $100 dollars. Seeing the album "fill up" with green was very motivating as a child.


    Oh yea? Well, my mommy taught me. I was never money motivated, if anything, maybe the opposite having seen the damage it did to my dad. For me it's always been more of a security thing than a purchasing thing.

    But I did learn my lesson and so throughout all my years the only debt I've ever had was some mortgages and I think I had one car loan early on, I don't even recall on which car. But certainly I never bought anything as extravagant as even a convertible without first having the cash set aside for it, in an envelope.

    And I still remember when I was a little kid, mom taking me to the bank to open my very first savings account. Many decades later, when mom died, while looking through her paperwork, I found mom's very first bank book from when she was a little kid.

    So I don't even relate to spending money you don't have, never mind earning money with no effort. But what would be especially fucked up would be someone thinking that it would be easier to "earn" a living by dying as if the toll of the disease would take no effort.

    That shit, if it occurs is criminal minded. I never related to any of that. Pulling a heist is not more stressful than driving a bus? Conning older people out of their savings doesn't take more work than a 9 to five job? Conniving doesn't take more time than day planning? It's too weird for me. That's somebody else's world. I still don't believe I'm even on the right planet. Should have made that left at Mars.
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    Feb 24, 2015 4:11 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    ELNathB said




    Young gay man just won an Oscar! You bet, this years Oscars was all politics




    'THE IMITATION GAME' SCREENWRITER GRAHAM MOORE: 'I'M NOT GAY'

    "he told BuzzFeed News, “I’m not gay"

    http://www.towleroad.com/2015/02/the-imitation-game-screenwriter-graham-moore-im-not-gay-video.html



    my gaydar thoughts exactly icon_eek.gif


    Oh my gosh, I've never seen a straight man THAT convincingly gay. Even in musical theater! His hand gestures, the wrists, the vocal notes, it all adds up to not heterosexual. Is it possible that a guy could write "The Imitation Game" and still be in the closet?

    Posted by: will | Feb 23, 2015 12:30:03 PM