This is what trans people are forced to go through in 34 European countries

• metta
  
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  Feb 24, 2015 6:53 AM GMT

  This is what trans people are forced to go through in 34 European countries
  
  
  
  http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/02/23/watch-this-is-what-trans-people-are-forced-to-go-through-in-34-european-countries/
  
  
  
  
  http://www.tgeu.org/nightmare
  
  
  
  3 of the worst requirements are:
  
  Being forced to undergo sterilisation and other medical interventions
  
  Being forced to get a divorce (if married)
  
  Having to receive a diagnosis of mental illness, despite not being mentally ill, or a “psychological opinion”

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• Svnw688
  
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  Feb 26, 2015 1:27 AM GMT

  Disgusting.
  
  Thanks for the information guys.

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  Feb 26, 2015 2:23 AM GMT

  MuchMoreThanMuscle saidThe thirty-four countries are:
  
  Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom.
  
  So basically all of western Europe.

  
  Sorry, but it's almost all of Europe, not just western. I find it hard to believe that countries like Netherlands, sweden, Germany are part of this list.

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• Svnw688
  
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  Feb 26, 2015 2:25 AM GMT

  Query: Were any of these laws passed specifically and with animus to TARGET trans persons? Or are they simply general laws that are having the inadvertent result of ensnaring trans persons?
  
  While the latter wouldn't absolve these countries of these laws, it would help ameliorate some of the disdain I'm feeling towards such hurdles and laws without any more information.
  
  Are these properly "anti trans" laws, or are they general laws with unintended consequences that nobody cares enough about?

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• WrestlerBoy
  
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  Feb 26, 2015 4:40 AM GMT

  http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Transhealth/Pages/Transoverview.aspx
  
  I'm linking the UK's National Health Service's website (I've just read the detailed guide embedded in the link as a .pdf), as I have an 18-year-old British cousin who is going through this now.
  
  As opening, welcoming, and "understanding" as this entire document "seems" to be, NB:
  
  "Gender dysphoria
  Gender dysphoria is the medical term used to describe the condition of feeling uncomfortable about your gender. Gender identity disorder is the medical term used to describe transsexualism – that is, the desire to live in the opposite gender to that assigned at birth."
  
  "Disorder....." Here we go again; the fucking medical professional as the unelected legislators of humanity and "normalcy".
  
  So at least we can show great solidarity as (we will all remember) the catholic church, for one, calls homosexuals..."intrinsically DISORDERED."
  
  
  
  

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• WrestlerBoy
  
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  Feb 26, 2015 4:47 AM GMT

  Svnw688 saidQuery: Were any of these laws passed specifically and with animus to TARGET trans persons? Or are they simply general laws that are having the inadvertent result of ensnaring trans persons?
  
  While the latter wouldn't absolve these countries of these laws, it would help ameliorate some of the disdain I'm feeling towards such hurdles and laws without any more information.
  
  Are these properly "anti trans" laws, or are they general laws with unintended consequences that nobody cares enough about?

  
  
  SVN, the following is from the UK's Dept of Justice/HM Courts and Tribunals, and is all I have had time to research so far. So at least on this one point, so there is clearly animus, as we would understand it, here.
  
  "If you knowingly or unknowingly obtain a Gender Recognition Certificate whilst still married or in a civil partnership, this will invalidate it and any rights or benefits you would expect to receive in your acquired gender."
  

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  Feb 26, 2015 2:28 PM GMT

  MuchMoreThanMuscle saidThe thirty-four countries are:
  
  Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom.
  
  So basically all of western Europe.

  
  
  Belgium? France? Greece? Italy? Netherlands? Switzerland?
  Spain? This list can't be correct. Can it?

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