Madonna Calls Ageism 'The Last Great Frontier'

  • metta

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    Feb 25, 2015 10:02 PM GMT
    MADONNA CALLS AGEISM 'THE LAST GREAT FRONTIER'





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    Feb 25, 2015 10:40 PM GMT
    "No one would dare to say a degrading remark about being black or dare to say a degrading remark on Instagram about someone being gay,"

    what planet is she on?? people make degrading comments about both all the time, especially on social media. i guess anti-ageism is her new thing since no one's paying attention to her music, but this is the same chick who has tried her best to look 20 ever since she was 40.
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    Feb 25, 2015 10:58 PM GMT
    It might very well be the last struggle that hasn't yet been taken on in a systematic way, though certainly there are lots of support systems for aging. The discrimination aspect probably comes mostly from employment situations. Probably not so much stuff like housing which gay people or black people might experience more so. But also maybe school, getting into classes, an advisor might try to dissuade an older person to make room for a younger person, stuff like that. Employment's the big one but also general attitude, levels of respect etc.

    The weird thing with this one is that the very people who would likely be fighting it, who most likely do the discriminating are those who one day, if they don't die first, will wind up older themselves.

    It's not as if anyone later transforms from being str8 into a gay person or sheds their white skin to turn black. But everyone turns old. So those who would fight for better treatment now are fighting not just for themselves but also for those who might fight it now but benefit by it later, which makes that an odd battle.
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    Feb 26, 2015 5:34 AM GMT
    Ageism? Yeah probably.......Unless you're a famous Goddess, with money, who cares! icon_razz.gif


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    Feb 26, 2015 6:28 PM GMT
    Well I don't know if she's the one to speak on it as she tries way too hard to be "sexy/provocative" these days imho BUT there is a double standard where men are allowed to go to shit where women are expected to keep their looks forever. As gay men there's a similar pressure on us but women still have it much harder...after all there is no female equivalent to a bear and grey on a woman is still in the category of "not sexy" whereas a man can get away with it (or even increase his cache having it).
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    Feb 26, 2015 10:34 PM GMT
    ^ That's just it. In your humble opinion "she tries way to hard to be sexy/provocative." For what? A woman her age? Who says sexy/provocative is only for twentysomething's? Most twentysomethings don't have the confidence to pull it off and come off as ridiculous.

    Please. Ask any fat, balding, middle aged, recently divorced man how many women are clamoring for his affections. Men aren't getting off the hook like they used to.
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    Feb 27, 2015 5:48 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said^ That's just it. In your humble opinion "she tries way to hard to be sexy/provocative." For what? A woman her age? Who says sexy/provocative is only for twentysomething's? Most twentysomethings don't have the confidence to pull it off and come off as ridiculous.

    Please. Ask any fat, balding, middle aged, recently divorced man how many women are clamoring for his affections. Men aren't getting off the hook like they used to.




    Now....ask many men who are at their peak in modeling and fitness careers. Many men are at the top when 50 hits. Mature, well defined bodies, while many women are finished. Now, look at Cristie Brinkley at 66.....amazing!
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    Feb 27, 2015 5:55 AM GMT
    BlackRussian13 saidWell I don't know if she's the one to speak on it as she tries way too hard to be "sexy/provocative" these days



    ∆ Dumbest comment ever. Do YOU try to look sexy? Then why can't she? Stupid stupid stupid. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • BlackRussian1...

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    Feb 27, 2015 9:57 PM GMT
    Well I stand by my comment. Madonna or anyone 50+ can still be sexy, of course(!) but trying to be sexy in the same way you were when you were in your 20s IS trying to hard and you only have to observe her to see she's not entirely at peace with it. I'm a fan but she could stand to let her image AND music mature/evolve a bit. Yes she looks great in her 50s but for an artist whose been around 30+ years, isn't it a shame we're talking about her looks instead of her art? She should rediscover that incredible artist/woman who made that "Ray of Light" album, a period/album/sound which she has yet imho to top.
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    Feb 27, 2015 11:29 PM GMT
    BlackRussian13 saidWell I stand by my comment. Madonna or anyone 50+ can still be sexy, of course(!) but trying to be sexy in the same way you were when you were in your 20s IS trying to hard and you only have to observe her to see she's not entirely at peace with it. I'm a fan but she could stand to let her image AND music mature/evolve a bit. Yes she looks great in her 50s but for an artist whose been around 30+ years, isn't it a shame we're talking about her looks instead of her art? She should rediscover that incredible artist/woman who made that "Ray of Light" album, a period/album/sound which she has yet imho to top.


    ur absolutely right! she can qualify for an AARP card, so it's time for her to stop dressing and performing like ariana grande.
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    Feb 28, 2015 5:02 PM GMT
    I've always wondered why there aren't more age discrimination suits, particularly in the legal profession, which often goes out of its way to drum up "bold new approaches to defending civil rights" for everyone but older professionals. Despite their being much more experienced and qualified than the fresh-out-of-law-school associates usually hired, most older lawyers get the cold shoulder from most Big Law firms, even though they'd gladly work for half the ridiculously inflated salaries these smart but inexperienced and unwise youngsters do. I'm told it's because the firms want to "inculcate a firm culture," but that sounds like BS to me, especially after going up against some of these older hotshots and finding out just what paper tigers they really are. Thankfully, I'm retired now and beyond all that, but if there ever were a growth industry, age discrimination suits by professionals would be it.
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    Mar 01, 2015 1:16 PM GMT
    What's sexy at 60 is different than what's sexy at 20.
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 05, 2015 7:44 PM GMT
    I'm embarrassed to admit I actually used to care about this woman's POV. It's not that she got too old; it's that I'm too old to take any trite pop singer seriously.
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    Mar 05, 2015 7:58 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    BlackRussian13 saidWell I stand by my comment. Madonna or anyone 50+ can still be sexy, of course(!) but trying to be sexy in the same way you were when you were in your 20s IS trying to hard and you only have to observe her to see she's not entirely at peace with it. I'm a fan but she could stand to let her image AND music mature/evolve a bit. Yes she looks great in her 50s but for an artist whose been around 30+ years, isn't it a shame we're talking about her looks instead of her art? She should rediscover that incredible artist/woman who made that "Ray of Light" album, a period/album/sound which she has yet imho to top.


    I completely agree. Now that she's nearly sixty she pumps out all these airbrushed images that look like a woman nearly a third of her age. It's like she's promoting the granddaughter version of herself. Yet without all the airbrushing you see the real her. It's a gross misrepresentation when you see the contrast.

    Granddaughter version of herself on her latest album for 2015:

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    The real deal without all that airbrushed magic:

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    I agree she would be better off if she just aged gracefully without all that Photoshopping in her images. However, that second pic has been Photoshopped to death also (to accentuate her wrinkles) and I'm surprised no on here has noticed it. The media needs to create controversy in order to stay on top of the ratings and showing a photo of Madonna looking haggard is going to do that much better than a candid shot of her. So the answer is, she doesn't look like either of those pics in real life.
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 05, 2015 11:51 PM GMT
    @MGINSD

    The ADEA does NOT allow for compensatory/punitive damages.

    That is the reason more ADEA actions are not undertaken.
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 06, 2015 1:03 AM GMT
    Madonna basher's CONSTANT, unrelenting, and obsessive need to talk about her (usually negatively) only reinforces what everyone intuits correctly and already knows: she is relevant.

    If a person is TRULY irrelevant, they receive little to no attention or time, such as Liza Manelli. I love her to death, but she hasn't been relevant in over a decade. It's sad, but true. That is an irrelevant women.

    Madonna is one of the most relevant figures in music, if not in general, as of 2015. Very few people surpass her GLOBAL relevance, such as the late Michael Jackson, Elvis and the Beatles.

    So keep hating. It just makes the hater seem bitter, and insignificant in comparison to Madge, which is the truth.

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    Mar 06, 2015 1:34 AM GMT
    Svnw688 saidMadonna basher's CONSTANT, unrelenting, and obsessive need to talk about her (usually negatively) only reinforces what everyone intuits correctly and already knows: she is relevant.

    If a person is TRULY irrelevant, they receive little to no attention or time, such as Liza Manelli. I love her to death, but she hasn't been relevant in over a decade. It's sad, but true. That is an irrelevant women.

    Madonna is one of the most relevant figures in music, if not in general, as of 2015. Very few people surpass her GLOBAL relevance, such as the late Michael Jackson, Elvis and the Beatles.

    So keep hating. It just makes the hater seem bitter, and insignificant in comparison to Madge, which is the truth.

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    Mar 06, 2015 4:29 AM GMT
    In think at this point "Madonna" is a well oiled machine involving many different people with only one thing in mind....money. I doubt these people give a rat's ass if this is sending the wrong message to young girls. Where does Madonna (the person) stand on all this? We may never know.
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 06, 2015 7:21 AM GMT
    @MuchMoreThanMuscle

    This is a short thread--so far at least--and yes, I thought you were a Madonna basher to a certain extent. I don't think we need to litigate it suffice it to say that, insofar that I mischaracterized you, I apologize.

    However, insofar that the mischaracterization triggered a known phenomenon--i.e, Madonna bashing--the phenomenon exists and is well documented in print media. I'm not a Madonna apologist, she's a sinner just like you and I, but I will say that she's stuck her neck and career (i.e., money) on advancing gay rights (as has Lady Gaga and others), and I don't take that lightly. It's one thing to make a calculated business move, it's another thing to cry on stage after a pitch-perfect tribute to gay suicides plays behind you. We can get into the ins and outs of how much does, she in fact, care about the gay community, but I don't think that's necessary. Madonna is an ally and a friend, what more should we ask now? Her devotion in blood?

    Madonna=loves the gays=feminist=accepts LGBTs as her equals

    I want nothing more from my music divas and icons.
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    Mar 06, 2015 10:42 AM GMT
    http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/popcrush.com/files/2013/01/madonna.jpg

    It all depends on the shot. The paparazzi are not forgiving!
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    Mar 08, 2015 4:33 AM GMT
    indigodog saidI thought she was dead.


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    Mar 09, 2015 2:14 PM GMT
    @MuchMoreThanMuscle

    I readily accept that Madonna bends over backwards to turn the clock back and to present a youthful appearance--from surgery, to makeup to photoshopping. That's admitted.

    Accordingly, I suppose you could call her a hypocrite.

    Or you could try to discern what she's saying. Madonna is NOT saying that there aren't racist and sexist people. What Madonna is saying is that IN POLITE CIRCLES it is unacceptable to be openly racist or sexist. However, IN POLITE CIRCLES it is acceptable to be ageist. Whether it's a circle of talking heads saying "he's so old he needs a walker" or a journalist writing "her face had grown wrinkled with age, and she wouldn't be winning any beauty contests like in her younger years."

    Despite the quotes, both those were just random/fictionalized examples. However, I think it's fairly representative of the kind of AGEISM that Madonna is describing and is openly acceptable in POLITE CIRCLES. Sure, advanced academics from upon it, but our society allows ageism with hardly any backlash. It's almost encouraged.

    That is Madonna's point. Not to conflate the problems of racism or sexism with ageism, as if to say ageism is as big a problem. Or the absurd notion that there are not racist or sexists. Just do a Twitter search. She's saying that ageism needs to be called out LIKE racism and sexism is currently (though wasn't always).