If SCOTUS Gives Marriage Equality Throughout the USA this June, How Should We Celebrate?

  • metta

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    Feb 25, 2015 10:54 PM GMT
    If SCOTUS Give Marriage Equality Throughout the USA, How Should We Celebrate?


    It is something that has taken so much time....so much money...so much educating....for such a long time. I feel like we should do something really big to celebrate.

    Being that SCOTUS plans on a June answer.....I'm thinking that we should have the biggest Pride Celebration around the Nation all at the same time.

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    Feb 25, 2015 11:03 PM GMT
    If I don't receive phone calls from hetero friends and family, congratulating me on finally being endowed my human rights, my celebration might end in fireworks, aimed at their houses.

    Not one of them called when we got it in Florida and I'm still pissed. How could they possibly let that pass without acknowledgement?
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    Feb 25, 2015 11:27 PM GMT
    I'm curious what the reaction will be if there is no sweeping victory.
  • metta

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    Feb 26, 2015 1:47 AM GMT
    sf_swimmer saidI'm curious what the reaction will be if there is no sweeping victory.


    A step forward: thankful/disapointment but need to continue working on it.

    No change or a step back: anger and frustration...and non-violent protests in the streets, as what happened when Prop 8 passed in California.


    The LGBT community has faced many disappointments with the government in the past.
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    Feb 26, 2015 3:39 AM GMT
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    theantijock saidIf I don't receive phone calls from hetero friends and family, congratulating me on finally being endowed my human rights, my celebration might end in fireworks, aimed at their houses.

    Not one of them called when we got it in Florida and I'm still pissed. How could they possibly let that pass without acknowledgement?


    Who is this "Hidden/Deleted Member" that posted this?


    Your arch nemesis?
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    Feb 26, 2015 7:07 PM GMT
    I won't be celebrating, I'll be in the gym by myself, as usual(:
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    Feb 26, 2015 11:35 PM GMT
    I'm going to find a rich old coot in the ICU and marry him post haste.
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    Feb 27, 2015 12:17 AM GMT
    By getting a durable pre-nup.
  • KissTheSky

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    Feb 27, 2015 3:18 AM GMT
    We should celebrate by voting out of office every vile Republican bigoted politician who has fought marriage equality every step of the way.

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    Feb 27, 2015 4:23 AM GMT
    Marriage is a fine institution, but who wants to live in an institution?
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    Feb 27, 2015 1:51 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidWe should celebrate by voting out of office every vile Republican bigoted politician who has fought marriage equality every step of the way.




    This, in particular.
  • venusrider

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    Feb 28, 2015 4:46 PM GMT
    SCOTUS is not capable of giving anything. It merely offers opinions. I have an opinion, just like everyone else.
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    Feb 28, 2015 5:48 PM GMT
    venusrider saidSCOTUS is not capable of giving anything. It merely offers opinions. I have an opinion, just like everyone else.


    So your use of the word "opinion" parallels how a fundamentalist misunderstands the scientific word "theory" as in the "theory of evolution" or the "theory of gravitation" etc.

    So you would argue that in theory (haha), or rather in how you might understand theory, everyone has an opinion like everyone has an asshole and so by that you feel privileged in thinking a SCOTUS opinion is just another asshole.

    Here's your constipated problem sitting on that, um, opinion: not every asshole is binding.

    Just as scientific theory has a different meaning than how a layman might use the word theory, here's what opinion means to law:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wiki/lexcraft/layer_two_overview_cases_orders_opinions_decisions_and_writings
    Terminology

    The words "decision", "order", "opinion", and "judgment", and even "case" tend to be used both loosely and interchangeably to mean either the act that delivers a court's ruling in a particular case, or the text of the ruling itself...

    ...An opinion is a general term describing the written views of a judge or judges with respect to a particular order. Not all orders--including important orders, and including in both the district courts and the courts of appeals--have opinions. A single order by a court might produce a zero or more majority opinions, zero or more concurring opinions, zero or more dissenting opinions, and zero or more opinions that concur in part and dissent in part. It is also possible that a decision produces other documents that are not opinions -- for example, a syllabus, appendix, or summary describing all the other documents related to the decision.


    SCOTUS isn't capable of giving anything, huh? Merely their interpretation, laid down in orders of law as to the applicability of the Constitution of the United States of America.

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/about/briefoverview.aspx
    Constitutional Origin. Article III, §1, of the Constitution provides that "[t]he judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish." The Supreme Court of the United States was created in accordance with this provision and by authority of the Judiciary Act of September 24, 1789 (1 Stat. 73). It was organized on February 2, 1790.


    And where do these powers apply?

    Jurisdiction. According to the Constitution (Art. III, §2): "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;-to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;-to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;-to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;-to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;-between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

    "In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make."

    Appellate jurisdiction has been conferred upon the Supreme Court by various statutes, under the authority given Congress by the Constitution. The basic statute effective at this time in conferring and controlling jurisdiction of the Supreme Court may be found in 28 U. S. C. §1251 et seq., and various special statutes


    That you have a problem with that is just your opinion. Their opinion upon, say, your right to express your opinion, is never just their opinion.

    Their opinion gives you what rights you enjoy to opine your opinion.

    Just as, and not merely in theory, their opinion can endow us our human rights nationwide. That's their job. And if they fuck that up this time around, I would not be surprised to see martyr blood spill upon their steps.

    Celebrate that.
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    Feb 28, 2015 7:45 PM GMT
    The best way to celebrate is to get married. haha, But that's not so easy for a lot of gays to do, even if we now have the right to do so. My bf and I really don't get into this marriage thing and we think it's just a way for government to get more money from licenses. It's your commitment from the heart that matters and not some piece of paper. Str8's are actually getting away from the whole marriage thing entirely because it's not all what it's cracked up to be.
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    Feb 28, 2015 8:12 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    theantijock saidIf I don't receive phone calls from hetero friends and family, congratulating me on finally being endowed my human rights, my celebration might end in fireworks, aimed at their houses.

    Not one of them called when we got it in Florida and I'm still pissed. How could they possibly let that pass without acknowledgement?


    Who is this "Hidden/Deleted Member" that posted this?


    lol, can't you read the quote in your post? His avatar name is right there at the beginning, lol.
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    Feb 28, 2015 8:15 PM GMT
    michael61 saidThe best way to celebrate is to get married. haha, But that's not so easy for a lot of gays to do, even if we now have the right to do so. My bf and I really don't get into this marriage thing and we think it's just a way for government to get more money from licenses. It's your commitment from the heart that matters and not some piece of paper. Str8's are actually getting away from the whole marriage thing entirely because it's not all what it's cracked up to be.


    That piece of paper will give you and your BF legal rights regarding each other that are rather important. Like visitation rights in hospital. Inheritance rights, and lot of other things. Look it up.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Feb 28, 2015 10:27 PM GMT
    Remember those in the past who were not able to have such an opportunity in life.
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    Mar 01, 2015 2:08 AM GMT
    How about visiting your local family-law court and seeing what the back end of the marriage looks like?
  • kuroshiro

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    Mar 01, 2015 3:55 AM GMT
    There shouldn't be anything. There should be no parade, no celebration, no screaming from the mountain tops "eff you". Nothing. At. All.

    Yes, it's a struggle, but it is one that should be taken in stride. There shouldn't be any other ammo for the other side to constantly use against us. There should be nothing to reinforce the negative stereotypes that people have... a situation shouldn't be made worse.

    Besides, there is no way to celebrate. Unless of course you commemorate the day the decision was handed down...
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    Mar 01, 2015 12:54 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    KissTheSky saidWe should celebrate by voting out of office every vile Republican bigoted politician who has fought marriage equality every step of the way.



    what about the democrats that have done the same thing though? you act as if all of them are on our side because there's been some known democrats that stood up for gay people getting their basic civil rights.


    While it may be a little simplistic, it is fair to say the bulk of the Republican Party is anti-gay and the bulk of the Democratic Party is pro-gay. If you want evidence, just take a look at the Congressional votes on gay rights legislation of recent years (e.g. The DADT Repeal Act (below)).

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    Mar 01, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
    kuroshiro saidThere shouldn't be anything. There should be no parade, no celebration, no screaming from the mountain tops "eff you". Nothing. At. All.

    Yes, it's a struggle, but it is one that should be taken in stride. There shouldn't be any other ammo for the other side to constantly use against us. There should be nothing to reinforce the negative stereotypes that people have... a situation shouldn't be made worse.

    Besides, there is no way to celebrate. Unless of course you commemorate the day the decision was handed down...


    I'm inclined to agree. Up here there was nothing, just another day, but filled with gratitude and thankfulness for all the straight people that made it happen. Couldn't have done it without them.
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    Mar 01, 2015 4:13 PM GMT
    Pull out my old divorce decree and wax nostalgic. Lol
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    Mar 01, 2015 5:12 PM GMT
    If it really comes down in June.. NYC pride.

    It was crazy when it passed in the state... I can't imagine what a federal level change to equality would do..
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    Mar 01, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
    Who cares at this point? In the vast majority of states you can get legally married and no matter what the supremes do in June, those marriages will stand.

    Bottom line is this is a dead horse, no reason to celebrate or beat it.
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    Mar 01, 2015 6:54 PM GMT
    "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

    So first we hold an internal vigil

    Burning-candle-flame-1359291358_76.jpg

    And then we spend the rest of our lives--or at least in a good conversation--publicly shaming the bastard straight people who knew damned well that we lived our lives without the human rights they enjoyed, held there by their thoughts and actions, against our will, as second class citizens, that even as we wrested our rights from their greedy little abusive hands, that even our own friends and family didn't bother to call to congratulate us on our win, on finally gaining our rights and our dignity.

    So we do the I told you so dance



    Celebrate. Be vigilant. Rights that took a generation or three to gain can be taken away in a day.

    So never forget. Never let them forget. Take your rights neither for granted nor in silence. Celebrate victory and be loud about it. Be out and proud about it.