Only 35 Percent Of Americans Still Think Bill O'Reilly Is Trustworthy

  • metta

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    Feb 28, 2015 6:57 AM GMT
    Only 35 Percent Of Americans Still Think Bill O'Reilly Is Trustworthy

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/27/bill-oreilly-trustworthy-poll-fox-news-lie_n_6770314.html
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    Feb 28, 2015 7:13 AM GMT
    I didn't realize the percentage was that high. Amazing!
  • creature

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    Feb 28, 2015 3:27 PM GMT
    Aww, the blowhard is not trustworthy? I'm shocked.
  • musclmed

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    Feb 28, 2015 4:49 PM GMT
    Huffpost/Yougov poll .... seriously?
  • Hypertrophile

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    Feb 28, 2015 7:45 PM GMT
    35% is more than enough. No single show in cable news gets more than about 3 or 4 million viewers.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Feb 28, 2015 11:40 PM GMT
    43rueperronet saidTrustworthy of what exactly?
    His opinion?
    Bill O'reilly has a talk show on TV.
    I've never thought of him as part of the news.


    You're right, he comments on the news, giving his opinion in an attempt to influence the opinions of his viewers, and just as often affirm their preconceived notions. While opinions are like assholes and worth about as much, it's important to point out when the opinion of someone in such a position is based on false information. The more frequently they use false information in their arguments, the more you realize they are following an agenda and it isn't to be a fine journalist.
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    Mar 01, 2015 12:06 AM GMT
    musclmed saidHuffpost/Yougov poll .... seriously?


    Bill O'Reilly....seriously?
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    Mar 01, 2015 12:29 AM GMT
    He is the 'news' equivalent of Kim Kardashian. Banal, insipid and annoying. I ignore him in the hopes he will go away.
  • bobbobbob

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    Mar 01, 2015 6:03 PM GMT
    I seldom watch The Factor but I do know this Huffington Post piece is pure half spun bullshit.

    They are trying to make it sound like viewers' trust of O'Reilly has plummeted. It hasn't. They also try to link it to O'Reilly coming "under intense scrutiny (bullshit) in recent days after a report in Mother Jones revealed several inaccuracies in his war reporting experiences during the 1982 Falklands War. Since then, several other accusations have been made against the host, claiming that he embellished or lied while covering other wars and conflicts."

    David Corn who wrote the piece for Mother Jones tried to make it appear O'Reilly had said he'd reported on the Falkland Islands war from the Falkland Islands. O'Reilly never said that and not only gave proof of that but was backed up by journalists who were with him during the riots and violence in Buenos Aires. O'Reilly did report as an eyewitness on the streets of Buenos Aires during the riots and the military response to protestors. On air OReilly produced telegrams and letters from CBS in NYC thanking and praising him for reporting on the bloody riots.

    Where were the other US news reporters during this riot? Even they, including Bill Moyers admit they were in their hotel rooms.

    Here's the list of 10 most trusted journalists from Jan 16, 2015.

    1. Robin Roberts formerly of ESPN now with GMA (not prime time)

    2. Bill O'Reilly has hosted "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News since 1996, and his program is the highest-rated show on the three major 24-hour cable news channels. A poll by Zogby International named O'Reilly the second most-trusted news personality, after Rush Limbaugh. that shocked the crap out of me!

    3. Diane Sawyer served as a co-anchor with Robin Roberts on "GMA" before leaving in December 2009 to anchor "ABC World News," and she also ranked high in the Reader's Digest survey. Sawyer previously served as co-anchor of "CBS Morning News" and as a correspondent on CBS' "60 Minutes." She left "GMA" in August but remains with ABC News.

    4. (formerly) Brian Williams has been anchor and managing editor of "NBC Nightly News" since December 2004.

    5. RETIRED Barbara Walters has hosted "Today" and "20/20" and was co-anchor of "ABC Evening News."

    6. Matt Lauer

    7. Jon Stewart

    8. Bob Schieffer (who spoke up for O'Reilly in the allegations made by Mother Jones.

    9. Anderson Cooper (he deserves to be higher, not for being gay but because he doesn't play favorites.

    10. Scott Pelley

    http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/10-most-trusted-personalities-tv/2015/01/16/id/619016/
  • tazzari

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    Mar 01, 2015 7:00 PM GMT
    Probably the same demented 35-40% who believe in alien abduction.

    Which is why the GOP does its best to undermine education and science.
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    Mar 01, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
    tazzari saidProbably the same demented 35-40% who believe in alien abduction.

    Which is why the GOP does its best to undermine education and science.

    +1

    Ignorant and undereducated voters are the most easily manipulated.

    Of course new school graduates won't be providing a very effective & productive workforce as a result of poor education, and lacking the tools they need. Which is not very important to Republicans, since they're busy outsourcing our skilled labor overseas. So corporations still make their profits. Naturally short sighted, but who ever said Republicans had a real vision for this country, other than short-term profits?

    In the Republican model the "elite" from their own class will still attend US colleges, and become the sole leaders. While the working class will be denied college loans and other ways to advance themselves, and hence not intrude upon the oligarchy's monopoly on power.

    It's a very British model from the late 18th and 19th centuries. The US does seem to be regressing. The growing income & wealth gap between the 1% and the lower income, and the shrinking of the US middle class, being obvious demonstrations of this Republican success.
  • tazzari

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    Mar 01, 2015 9:08 PM GMT
    It's a very British model from the late 18th and 19th centuries.

    Point taken, but we must give some credit to those who brought in the Great Reform Bill, and the number of very wealthy and/or titled people who championed reform on all fronts.
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    tazzari saidIt's a very British model from the late 18th and 19th centuries.

    Point taken, but we must give some credit to those who brought in the Great Reform Bill, and the number of very wealthy and/or titled people who championed reform on all fronts.


    Hear, hear!
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    tazzari saidProbably the same demented 35-40% who believe in alien abduction.

    Which is why the GOP does its best to undermine education and science.

    +1

    Ignorant and undereducated voters are the most easily manipulated. ...


    Yes, as evidenced by those who twice voted for Obama, as well as by those who can't tell the difference between an opinion show and a news broadcast. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    tazzari saidIt's a very British model from the late 18th and 19th centuries.

    Point taken, but we must give some credit to those who brought in the Great Reform Bill, and the number of very wealthy and/or titled people who championed reform on all fronts.


    Hear, hear!


    I hope you'll give second thought to posting things generalizing about 'the gay left' of which Tazzari is one of.
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    Mar 01, 2015 9:17 PM GMT
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    Yes, as evidenced by those who twice voted for Obama, as well as by those who can't tell the difference between an opinion show and a news broadcast. icon_rolleyes.gif

    So you're saying Fox News doesn't pretend to be a real news outlet, that's "Fair & Balanced"? And that millions of Americans don't think they're getting real, legitimate news from that source?

    Is that what you're saying?
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    MGINSD said
    Yes, as evidenced by those who twice voted for Obama, as well as by those who can't tell the difference between an opinion show and a news broadcast. icon_rolleyes.gif

    So you're saying Fox News doesn't pretend to be a real news outlet, that's "Fair & Balanced"? And that millions of Americans don't think they're getting real, legitimate news from that source?

    Is that what you're saying?


    No, that's another one of your tortured and contrived misreadings of another's post. I've found FNC's news reporting, as opposed to its various opinion shows, not just F&B but unafraid to report what the MSM ignores or worse, actively conceals. As to what "millions of Americans" think, I can tell you only what I do, which is generally opposite, in process and substance, of what you do. Please don't play dumb, and stop putting words into other peoples' mouths; all it does is just wastes everyone's time, if not "upsets the site."
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    Mar 01, 2015 9:30 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    MGINSD said
    tazzari saidIt's a very British model from the late 18th and 19th centuries.

    Point taken, but we must give some credit to those who brought in the Great Reform Bill, and the number of very wealthy and/or titled people who championed reform on all fronts.


    Hear, hear!


    I hope you'll give second thought to posting things generalizing about 'the gay left' of which Tazzari is one of.


    Not as long as they're based on my personal experiences w/ that group, no thanks. Let tazzari and others speak for themselves.
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    Mar 01, 2015 9:57 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    meninlove said
    MGINSD said
    tazzari saidIt's a very British model from the late 18th and 19th centuries.

    Point taken, but we must give some credit to those who brought in the Great Reform Bill, and the number of very wealthy and/or titled people who championed reform on all fronts.


    Hear, hear!


    I hope you'll give second thought to posting things generalizing about 'the gay left' of which Tazzari is one of.


    Not as long as they're based on my personal experiences w/ that group, no thanks. Let tazzari and others speak for themselves.


    Ah, I see, so then you should be quite OK and welcoming of blanket derogatory generalizations and comments from others that had bad experiences with some Repubs, right?

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    Art_Deco said
    tazzari saidProbably the same demented 35-40% who believe in alien abduction.

    Which is why the GOP does its best to undermine education and science.

    +1

    Ignorant and undereducated voters are the most easily manipulated. ...


    Yes, as evidenced by those who twice voted for Obama, as well as by those who can't tell the difference between an opinion show and a news broadcast. icon_rolleyes.gif

    "those who can't tell the difference between an opinion show and a news broadcast" Or deliberately avoiding the difference because it challenges their emotional outbursts.
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    MGINSD saidI've found FNC's news reporting, as opposed to its various opinion shows, not just F&B but unafraid to report what the MSM ignores or worse, actively conceals.


    I seem to recall you were singing O'Reilly's praises for his moderate temperament in another thread, so your judgment as to what constitutes fairness and balance clearly ain't up to much. Fox News is selling a conservative political product to an older audience. Little wonder you're a fan.
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    meninlove said
    MGINSD said
    meninlove said
    MGINSD said
    tazzari saidIt's a very British model from the late 18th and 19th centuries.

    Point taken, but we must give some credit to those who brought in the Great Reform Bill, and the number of very wealthy and/or titled people who championed reform on all fronts.


    Hear, hear!


    I hope you'll give second thought to posting things generalizing about 'the gay left' of which Tazzari is one of.


    Not as long as they're based on my personal experiences w/ that group, no thanks. Let tazzari and others speak for themselves.


    Ah, I see, so then you should be quite OK and welcoming of blanket derogatory generalizations and comments from others that had bad experiences with some Repubs, right?



    Yuppers! And, as my posts show, I rather welcome the opportunity to rebut them, however a "bad experience" is defined. icon_cool.gif
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    MGINSD saidI've found FNC's news reporting, as opposed to its various opinion shows, not just F&B but unafraid to report what the MSM ignores or worse, actively conceals.


    I seem to recall you were singing O'Reilly's praises for his moderate temperament in another thread, so your judgment as to what constitutes fairness and balance clearly ain't up to much. Fox News is selling a conservative political product to an older audience. Little wonder you're a fan.


    So where's the rub? Recognizing someone's moderate - or any other kind of - temperament is irrelevant to assessing his ability to accurately report facts. You might like or dislike how he reports them, but as long as they're accurate, and distinguished from opinion, what's the problem?

    And, you're not going to score any points w/ ageist slurs. In fact, in most debates, you'd lose a few, but who's counting, right?
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    MGINSD said

    So where's the rub? Recognizing someone's moderate - or any other kind of - temperament is irrelevant to assessing his ability to accurately report facts. You might like or dislike how he reports them, but as long as they're accurate, and distinguished from opinion, what's the problem?

    And, you're not going to score any points w/ ageist slurs. In fact, in most debates, you'd lose a few, but who's counting, right?


    The point being, you are clearly a poor judge of fairness and balance if you think O'Reilly has a moderate temperament, given that his signally immoderate temperament tends to override any chance of fairness and balance on his show.

    How is pointing out that you perfectly fit the key Fox News demographic an ageist slur? If anything, it was a political slur. Besides, I thought you'd be proud of the fact.

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    Mar 02, 2015 12:12 AM GMT
    bobbobbob saidI seldom watch The Factor but I do know this Huffington Post piece is pure half spun bullshit.

    They are trying to make it sound like viewers' trust of O'Reilly has plummeted. It hasn't. They also try to link it to O'Reilly coming "under intense scrutiny (bullshit) in recent days after a report in Mother Jones revealed several inaccuracies in his war reporting experiences during the 1982 Falklands War. Since then, several other accusations have been made against the host, claiming that he embellished or lied while covering other wars and conflicts."

    David Corn who wrote the piece for Mother Jones tried to make it appear O'Reilly had said he'd reported on the Falkland Islands war from the Falkland Islands. O'Reilly never said that and not only gave proof of that but was backed up by journalists who were with him during the riots and violence in Buenos Aires. O'Reilly did report as an eyewitness on the streets of Buenos Aires during the riots and the military response to protestors. On air OReilly produced telegrams and letters from CBS in NYC thanking and praising him for reporting on the bloody riots.

    Where were the other US news reporters during this riot? Even they, including Bill Moyers admit they were in their hotel rooms.

    Here's the list of 10 most trusted journalists from Jan 16, 2015.

    1. Robin Roberts formerly of ESPN now with GMA (not prime time)

    2. Bill O'Reilly has hosted "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News since 1996, and his program is the highest-rated show on the three major 24-hour cable news channels. A poll by Zogby International named O'Reilly the second most-trusted news personality, after Rush Limbaugh. that shocked the crap out of me!

    3. Diane Sawyer served as a co-anchor with Robin Roberts on "GMA" before leaving in December 2009 to anchor "ABC World News," and she also ranked high in the Reader's Digest survey. Sawyer previously served as co-anchor of "CBS Morning News" and as a correspondent on CBS' "60 Minutes." She left "GMA" in August but remains with ABC News.

    4. (formerly) Brian Williams has been anchor and managing editor of "NBC Nightly News" since December 2004.

    5. RETIRED Barbara Walters has hosted "Today" and "20/20" and was co-anchor of "ABC Evening News."

    6. Matt Lauer

    7. Jon Stewart

    8. Bob Schieffer (who spoke up for O'Reilly in the allegations made by Mother Jones.

    9. Anderson Cooper (he deserves to be higher, not for being gay but because he doesn't play favorites.

    10. Scott Pelley

    http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/10-most-trusted-personalities-tv/2015/01/16/id/619016/


    It's not "the" list. It's a list compiled by newsmax and, "Drawing on several (not all) surveys of TV viewers and editorial opinion."

    You are right that the Huffpo piece does confuse statistics, or at least doesn't give enough information for the reader to know that the impression they are trying to give is the right one. They state that only 35 percent of those surveyed in the last few days find O'Reilly trustworthy, and that he was rated #1 back in 2011 in a different survey. What they don't say is whether or not this is a trend. What percentage of those responding to the earlier survey ranked O'Reilly trustworth? Is 35% enough to still be ranked #1? It could be considering FoxNews was most-trusted by 28% of respondents, good enough for first place.

    Keep in mind that less than 4 million people watch any given program on FoxNews. Most shows get fewer than 2 million. Compare this to the approximately 20 Million viewers each of the three half-hour evening network news broadcasts.