CA GOP Recognizes, Charters Log Cabin Republicans

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    Mar 01, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
    The perfect riposte to CPAC's snub of last week:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gop-convention-20150301-story.html

    Congrats to ALL those GOPers who worked so hard and for so long to bring this about! Gotta love that margin of victory, too!
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    Mar 01, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidThe perfect riposte to CPAC's snub of last week:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gop-convention-20150301-story.html

    Congrats to ALL those GOPers who worked so hard and for so long to bring this about! Gotta love that margin of victory, too!


    Good for them! Now things should start getting rather interesting, lol.
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    Mar 01, 2015 8:27 PM GMT
    861-293

    ButT I thought all of those republicans were/are haters? You know "vote for one and you vote for them all all"
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    Mar 01, 2015 8:38 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said861-293

    ButT I thought all of those republicans were/are haters? You know "vote for one and you vote for them all all"


    Looks like the odds against that are roughly 3 to 1, at least in CA. But then, 2+2 has been known to equal 5 when they gay left starts figuring things.
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    Mar 01, 2015 8:43 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said861-293

    ButT I thought all of those republicans were/are haters? You know "vote for one and you vote for them all all"


    Looks like the odds against that are roughly 3 to 1, at least in CA. But then, 2+2 has been known to equal 5 when they gay left starts figuring things.


    You had me until the stupid comment at the end. It takes two to fight, but only one to stop. I find there are stupid people on both sides of the Dem/Repub equation, and a whole lot of stupid in the what must be the marijuana tea party. There is also brilliance in all three.

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    Mar 01, 2015 9:06 PM GMT
    http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gop-convention-20150301-story.html
    We truly are a big tent once again.”


    Congratulations.

    http://www.cagop.org/about/platform/
    The Proposed Draft Platform for 2012, was adopted at the February 24 -26th, 2012 Spring Convention.

    http://www.cagop.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2012-2016-Platform.pdf
    We...believe that it is important to define marriage as being between one man and one woman. We believe public policy and education should not be exploited to present or teach homosexuality as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle. We oppose same-sex partner benefits, child custody, and adoption.
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    Mar 01, 2015 9:33 PM GMT
    theantijock saidhttp://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gop-convention-20150301-story.html
    We truly are a big tent once again.”


    Congratulations.

    http://www.cagop.org/about/platform/
    The Proposed Draft Platform for 2012, was adopted at the February 24 -26th, 2012 Spring Convention.

    http://www.cagop.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2012-2016-Platform.pdf
    We...believe that it is important to define marriage as being between one man and one woman. We believe public policy and education should not be exploited to present or teach homosexuality as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle. We oppose same-sex partner benefits, child custody, and adoption.


    This is what I meant by things should start getting rather interesting.
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    Mar 02, 2015 12:04 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    theantijock saidhttp://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gop-convention-20150301-story.html
    We truly are a big tent once again.”


    Congratulations.

    http://www.cagop.org/about/platform/
    The Proposed Draft Platform for 2012, was adopted at the February 24 -26th, 2012 Spring Convention.

    http://www.cagop.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2012-2016-Platform.pdf
    We...believe that it is important to define marriage as being between one man and one woman. We believe public policy and education should not be exploited to present or teach homosexuality as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle. We oppose same-sex partner benefits, child custody, and adoption.


    This is what I meant by things should start getting rather interesting.


    http://www.wikihow.com/Deal-With-Homophobic-Parents


    1
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    Be kind and compassionate.

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    If their objection or pain is on religious grounds, understand that you may not sway them or gain their approval. They believe they are acting in your best interest by taking a stand against your "lifestyle." You will not be able to alter their views...

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    Don't expect to gain their approval, but make it clear you don't require their permission. ... Remember though, that if you're still dependent on them they do have a say in how much they support you. You don't need their permission, but they can withdraw their support.

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    Mar 02, 2015 12:37 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    "We...believe that it is important to define marriage as being between one man and one woman. We believe public policy and education should not be exploited to present or teach homosexuality as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle. We oppose same-sex partner benefits, child custody, and adoption."

    This is what I meant by things should start getting rather interesting.

    Well that's no advance at all if this is still the California Republican Party platform. That I know Republican RJers embrace.

    All I see here is window dressing. And the Republican California Party is welcoming workers and money. Whom they'll backstab at the first opportunity.

    These LCR are more stupid than I thought. Ah, well, they'll get screwed in the end (literally & figuratively), and then cry with shock at the betrayal. They really are stupidly naive.
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    Mar 02, 2015 12:49 AM GMT
    from the OP's article:

    "Opponents said Log Cabin's proposal was sneaked onto California GOP convention agenda without notice"

    Even in the most socially open-minded state the GOP can't do any better than sneaking 'Respect for Gays' through the back door.

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    Mar 02, 2015 12:52 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    meninlove said
    "We...believe that it is important to define marriage as being between one man and one woman. We believe public policy and education should not be exploited to present or teach homosexuality as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle. We oppose same-sex partner benefits, child custody, and adoption."

    This is what I meant by things should start getting rather interesting.

    Well that's no advance at all if this is still the California Republican Party platform. That I know Republican RJers embrace.

    All I see here is window dressing. And the Republican California Party is welcoming workers and money. Whom they'll backstab at the first opportunity.

    These LCR are more stupid than I thought. Ah, well, they'll get screwed in the end (literally & figuratively), and then cry with shock at the betrayal. They really are stupidly naive.


    And you must really be tying one on again. The language quoted above is from the 2012 CAGOP Platform, which will soon be replaced. How the new platform will read remains to be seen, but given LCRCA's recognition, it's more likely than not that it won't repeat the old language you'd so much like to keep alive. And, how could you possibly know what "Republican RJers embrace?"
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    Mar 02, 2015 12:53 AM GMT
    SamRising saidfrom the OP's article:

    "Opponents said Log Cabin's proposal was sneaked onto California GOP convention agenda without notice"

    Even in the most socially open-minded state the GOP can't do any better than sneaking 'Respect for Gays' through the back door.


    Since the vote to recognize was 861-293, that must have been a pretty big back door. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 02, 2015 12:56 AM GMT
    " how could you possibly know what "Republican RJers embrace?"

    You ladies might be devious but you've certainly been obvious about the agenda you embrace.
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    Mar 02, 2015 12:59 AM GMT
    SamRising said" how could you possibly know what "Republican RJers embrace?"

    You ladies might be devious but you've certainly been obvious about the agenda you embrace.


    Obvious? Then please give us the benefit of your perception of that agenda, with references to how we embrace its items.
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:07 AM GMT
    SamRising said
    " how could you possibly know what "Republican RJers embrace?"

    You ladies might be devious but you've certainly been obvious about the agenda you embrace.

    Indeed. Totally homophobic, totally pro-Republican anti-gay. Embracing the official anti-gay Republican Party platform.

    It's a joke these guys try to pretend otherwise. We can read a party platform, and the public pronouncements of their senior party leaders. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:12 AM GMT
    http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gay-gop-group-seeks-official-recognition-from-california-republican-party-20150228-story.html

    Karen England, executive director of the Capitol Resource Institute, a Sacramento-based group that backs conservative social causes, told supporters in an email Saturday morning that the Log Cabin group should not be recognized because it focuses on “lifestyle preferences” rather than growing the GOP.

    “If Log Cabin California is chartered, look for the California Republican Party platform to be watered down in terms of family values,” England wrote.

    The party’s official platform says homosexuality is unacceptable.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/02/us-usa-gay-california-idUSKBN0LY00720150302
    California Republicans broke from their own platform on Sunday and voted overwhelmingly at their state party convention to give official recognition to a gay rights wing of the GOP that has long been marginalized...

    Party leaders sought to play down the action, dismissing the notion that recognition of the Log Cabin Republicans, a group founded in 1977 under a moniker that refers to the first Republican U.S. president, Abraham Lincoln, signaled a retreat from conservative principles....

    The state party's platform declares: "We believe public policy and education should not be exploited to present or teach homosexuality as an acceptable 'alternative' lifestyle."

    It goes on to specifically oppose spousal benefits, child custody and adoption rights for same-sex couples, though it is silent on the issue of gay marriage itself....

    "The Log Cabin Republicans California’s primary purpose is supporting and promoting the Republican principles and platforms and is not based on special agendas," a committee report said.
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:13 AM GMT
    So the Republicans are playing catch-up to the Democratic stances of the 1990s. Better late than never.
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:20 AM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_LGBT_history
    1972...the first speeches advocating a gay rights plank in the Democratic Party Platform.

    1980 – The United States Democratic Party becomes the first major political party in the U.S. to endorse a homosexual rights platform plank
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:21 AM GMT
    theantijock saidhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_LGBT_history
    1972...the first speeches advocating a gay rights plank in the Democratic Party Platform.

    1980 – The United States Democratic Party becomes the first major political party in the U.S. to endorse a homosexual rights platform plank


    Damn, I stand corrected. Thank you. The Republican party is waaaaaaaaaay behind!
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:23 AM GMT
    lol
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:33 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    SamRising said
    " how could you possibly know what "Republican RJers embrace?"

    You ladies might be devious but you've certainly been obvious about the agenda you embrace.

    Indeed. Totally homophobic, totally pro-Republican anti-gay. Embracing the official anti-gay Republican Party platform.

    It's a joke these guys try to pretend otherwise. We can read a party platform, and the public pronouncements of their senior party leaders. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Instead of a deep drink, take a deep breath, and then perhaps you can answer the question I posed to SamR. And, mind what I said about that platform too, lest you stumble off it.
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:34 AM GMT
    MGINSD said
    Art_Deco said
    meninlove said
    "We...believe that it is important to define marriage as being between one man and one woman. We believe public policy and education should not be exploited to present or teach homosexuality as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle. We oppose same-sex partner benefits, child custody, and adoption."

    This is what I meant by things should start getting rather interesting.

    Well that's no advance at all if this is still the California Republican Party platform. That I know Republican RJers embrace.

    All I see here is window dressing. And the Republican California Party is welcoming workers and money. Whom they'll backstab at the first opportunity.

    These LCR are more stupid than I thought. Ah, well, they'll get screwed in the end (literally & figuratively), and then cry with shock at the betrayal. They really are stupidly naive.


    And you must really be tying one on again. The language quoted above is from the 2012 CAGOP Platform, which will soon be replaced. How the new platform will read remains to be seen, but given LCRCA's recognition, it's more likely than not that it won't repeat the old language you'd so much like to keep alive. And, how could you possibly know what "Republican RJers embrace?"
    . Art cannot help himself, he is just addicted to the bottle as evidenced by his tirade of republican bashing. Well at least the California GOP is moving in the right direction by welcoming and embracing other socioeconomic groups and the log cabin republicans. Now if only we could get state GOP organizations in more conservative states like Montana, Nebraska, Indiana, etc. to start doing the same thing rather than pander to all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs which is currently hurting the GOP.
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:38 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    MGINSD said
    Art_Deco said
    meninlove said
    "We...believe that it is important to define marriage as being between one man and one woman. We believe public policy and education should not be exploited to present or teach homosexuality as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle. We oppose same-sex partner benefits, child custody, and adoption."

    This is what I meant by things should start getting rather interesting.

    Well that's no advance at all if this is still the California Republican Party platform. That I know Republican RJers embrace.

    All I see here is window dressing. And the Republican California Party is welcoming workers and money. Whom they'll backstab at the first opportunity.

    These LCR are more stupid than I thought. Ah, well, they'll get screwed in the end (literally & figuratively), and then cry with shock at the betrayal. They really are stupidly naive.


    And you must really be tying one on again. The language quoted above is from the 2012 CAGOP Platform, which will soon be replaced. How the new platform will read remains to be seen, but given LCRCA's recognition, it's more likely than not that it won't repeat the old language you'd so much like to keep alive. And, how could you possibly know what "Republican RJers embrace?"
    . Art cannot help himself, he is just addicted to the bottle as evidenced by his tirade of republican bashing. Well at least the California GOP is moving in the right direction by welcoming and embracing other socioeconomic groups and the log cabin republicans. Now if only we could get state GOP organizations in more conservative states like Montana, Nebraska, Indiana, etc. to start doing the same thing rather than pander to all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs which is currently hurting the GOP.


    Don't give up the fight. It will happen. I know from my own experience as a member of the CA GOP. It's worth the wait - and yes, it WAS a long one!
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:39 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob,

    You have zero room to talk when it comes to criticism of tirades. Your posts are practically bombastic and filled with tirades. You might want to engage in some self-reflection before you go off on others.

    Back to the topic...

    It seems like Republicans are "moving in the right direction" when they adopt Democratic platforms.
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    Mar 02, 2015 1:44 AM GMT
    creature saidroadbikeRob,

    You have zero room to talk when it comes to criticism of tirades. Your posts are practically bombastic and filled with tirades. You might want to engage in some self-reflection before you go off on others.

    Back to the topic...

    It seems like Republicans are "moving in the right direction" when they adopt Democratic platforms.


    Gee, and all this time that vest-pocket outfit of the DNC known as the Human Rights Campaign has been telling me that gay rights are human rights. Sorry, we in the GOP did this all by our lonesomes, in fact and in spite of the best efforts of the above two groups to thwart us at every turn.