US: Christian California activist, Matt McLaughlin (lawyer), files ballot initiative to execute all gays - ‘Sodomite Suppression Act’. Petition to disbar McLaughlin. Response: the Intolerant Jackass Act

  • metta

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    Mar 02, 2015 10:31 PM GMT
    US: California activist files ballot initiative to execute all gays



    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/03/02/us-california-activist-files-ballot-initiative-to-execute-all-gays/comments/




    Sign the petition to ask the California Bar Association to disbar the lawyer pushing for genocide of gay people.

    http://forcechange.com/139774/dont-execute-gay-people-to-save-us-from-gods-wrath/
  • NeuralShock

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    Mar 02, 2015 10:31 PM GMT
    He should be thrown in jail, that is premeditating genocide.
  • metta

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    Mar 02, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
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    http://southern4life.blogspot.com/2015/03/in-california-christian-activist-files.html
  • metta

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    Mar 02, 2015 10:34 PM GMT
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    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/02/1368026/-California-Religious-Right-Activist-Files-Ballot-Initiative-For-Executing-All-Homosexuals
  • metta

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    Mar 02, 2015 10:43 PM GMT
    Secret Agent Lawyer Files CA Ballot Initiative To Put ‘Sodomites’ To Death

    http://wonkette.com/577984/secret-agent-lawyer-files-ca-ballot-initiative-to-put-sodomites-to-death


    "Matthew Gregory McLaughlin is an attorney who lives in Huntington Beach, California. He lists his phone number at 949-285-7902.

    He received his bachelor’s degree from the University of California Irvine and his law degree from George Mason University School of Law in Virginia. He was admitted to the State Bar of California in 1998, according to martindale.com

    The State Bar of California shows that McLaughlin is on active status with the bar. It also noted that he was listed as “inactive” in 2012. The bar did not list any disciplinary or administrative actions taken against him."

    http://sdgln.com/news/2015/03/02/oc-lawyer-wants-kill-all-gays-california-according-initaitive-goal#sthash.2t6xeYJu.dpbs
  • wesv

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    Mar 02, 2015 11:19 PM GMT
    He should move to Saudi Arabia. There should be a "fuck off" ballot.
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    Mar 02, 2015 11:33 PM GMT
    NeuralShock saidHe should be thrown in jail, that is premeditating genocide.

    Well, at least incitement to murder, and a preview of his own intentions. I think the California State Bar needs to review this guy, along with a State Prosecutor. It's likely he's mentally deranged and some intervention is necessary before he commits a crime against those he perceives as gay.
  • metta

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    Mar 03, 2015 12:53 AM GMT
    If any of you would like to speak to him, his phone number is at the bottom of this article:

    http://sdgln.com/news/2015/03/02/oc-lawyer-wants-kill-all-gays-california-according-initaitive-goal#sthash.2t6xeYJu.s2Fx9cmu.dpbs
  • wesv

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    Mar 03, 2015 6:06 AM GMT
    metta8 saidCAdeathpenaltygays.jpg?1425322857


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/02/1368026/-California-Religious-Right-Activist-Files-Ballot-Initiative-For-Executing-All-Homosexuals


    Huntington Beach?

    What's up with Orange "fuck you" County? It's like they think they're so justified in going against gay rights. With a church going rate higher than the state average, they still don't get it. If they're crazy enough to say God is love, then what the fuck is this? Could you believe they had segregation in the 60s between Anglos and Hispanics? It's true.

    I'm in the San Gabriel Valley. I can just look down on them. (Check a map to see what I mean).
  • wesv

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    Mar 03, 2015 6:23 AM GMT
    NeuralShock saidHe should be thrown in jail, that is premeditating genocide.


    Did you know that in the US we have the death penalty? Even California still practices it.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Mar 03, 2015 6:27 AM GMT
    He is definitely one sick individual, at a minimum they should send him to a mental institution.
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    Mar 03, 2015 4:23 PM GMT
    Do such statutes as...

    http://oag.ca.gov/civil/htm/laws

    State of California Department of Justice
    Office of the Attorney General

    California's Civil and Criminal Laws Pertaining to Hate Crimes

    Civil Statutes

    1) "The Ralph Act," Civil Code sections 51.7 and 52--provides that it is a civil right for a person to be free of violence or its threat against the person or his or her property, because of a person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, political affiliation, sex, sexual orientation, age or disability or position in a labor dispute, or because a person is perceived to have one or more of these characteristics....

    &

    2) "The Bane Act," Civil Code section 52.1 --provides protection from interference by threats, intimidation, or coercion or for attempts to interfere with someone's state or federal statutory or constitutional rights (these include association, assembly, due process, education, employment, equal protection, expression, formation and enforcement of contracts, holding of public office, housing, privacy, speech, travel, use of public facilities, voting, worship, and protection from bodily restraint or harm, from personal insult, from defamation, and from injury to personal relations)-- proof of "hate motivation" required, according to a 1994 Court of Appeal decision in Boccato v. City of Hermosa Beach

    Enforced by Attorney General, any district attorney or city attorney, or a private attorney

    Provides for civil penalties for perpetrators, civil remedies to victims of "hate violence," three times actual damages, but no less than $1000, punitive damages, injunctive and other equitable relief (violation of the injunctive relief is punishable by a criminal contempt action, with a penalty of six months in jail and/or a fine not exceeding $1000) and attorney's fees


    ....make either civilly or criminally actionable the submitting of such an initiative AND the acceptance of that proposal by a municipal clerk?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 03, 2015 7:03 PM GMT
    Obviously this lawyer's brain has been contaminated by the ancient fairy tales in the holy bible. I am sure that both houses of the California legislature will tear this bill apart and laugh him out of the Sacramento statehouse. There is something radically wrong with this man's mental health to come up with such a cruel, inhumane, and outlandish idea that is unconstitutional in the first place.
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    Mar 03, 2015 7:08 PM GMT
    He uses the word buggery. Clearly he can't be taken seriously. I'm sure this is an elaborate plot to provide jokes for drag queens.
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    Mar 03, 2015 7:10 PM GMT
    He will probably be serving a prison sentence, since death threats are taken pretty seriously in the US--that's if he is determinded to be mentally competent and stand trial.
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    Mar 03, 2015 7:13 PM GMT
    wesv said
    NeuralShock saidHe should be thrown in jail, that is premeditating genocide.


    Did you know that in the US we have the death penalty? Even California still practices it.


    Yes, many have the death penalty. Those 3 Muslims that were murdered are being recommended for the death sentence.
  • bro4bro

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    Mar 03, 2015 8:42 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidHe uses the word buggery. Clearly he can't be taken seriously. I'm sure this is an elaborate plot to provide jokes for drag queens.


    Yeah, the language is just a bit too over-the-top to be for real. A million dollar fine for suggesting to a minor that homosexual relations are acceptable? Don't take this at face value. The guy clearly has ulterior motives.

    Most probably he's looking to be harassed by gays so he can whine about it publicly. Thanks for providing his phone number, by the way.
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    Mar 03, 2015 9:51 PM GMT
    So Liberals:

    Why is it OK for Hillary Clinton to accept millions of dollars from the Sultan of Brunei who passed a law to execute gays by stoning?

    Why is it OK for Obama to give his "Good Friend" the Sultan of Brunei a trade deal?


  • Svnw688

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    Mar 03, 2015 9:58 PM GMT
    theantijock saidDo such statutes as...

    http://oag.ca.gov/civil/htm/laws

    State of California Department of Justice
    Office of the Attorney General

    California's Civil and Criminal Laws Pertaining to Hate Crimes

    Civil Statutes

    1) "The Ralph Act," Civil Code sections 51.7 and 52--provides that it is a civil right for a person to be free of violence or its threat against the person or his or her property, because of a person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, political affiliation, sex, sexual orientation, age or disability or position in a labor dispute, or because a person is perceived to have one or more of these characteristics....

    &

    2) "The Bane Act," Civil Code section 52.1 --provides protection from interference by threats, intimidation, or coercion or for attempts to interfere with someone's state or federal statutory or constitutional rights (these include association, assembly, due process, education, employment, equal protection, expression, formation and enforcement of contracts, holding of public office, housing, privacy, speech, travel, use of public facilities, voting, worship, and protection from bodily restraint or harm, from personal insult, from defamation, and from injury to personal relations)-- proof of "hate motivation" required, according to a 1994 Court of Appeal decision in Boccato v. City of Hermosa Beach

    Enforced by Attorney General, any district attorney or city attorney, or a private attorney

    Provides for civil penalties for perpetrators, civil remedies to victims of "hate violence," three times actual damages, but no less than $1000, punitive damages, injunctive and other equitable relief (violation of the injunctive relief is punishable by a criminal contempt action, with a penalty of six months in jail and/or a fine not exceeding $1000) and attorney's fees


    ....make either civilly or criminally actionable the submitting of such an initiative AND the acceptance of that proposal by a municipal clerk?


    I like what you're thinking, but no. Political acts, just like the words written and said in a lawsuit, receive immunity. You could sue him, as anyone can sue anyone, but it'd be throw on on a Motion to Dismiss when they interposed and invoked political acts immunity.

    Now, IF this absurd law were to pass, then that'd be an interesting legal battle of which law trumps which law in California, but almost certainly the federal rights of due process and equality would enjoin any potential enactment of this law.

    In short, while this is an interesting academic exercise: (1) he cannot be sued (successfully) or otherwise prosecuted for proposing a law--even a genocidal law, and (2) the law practically will not pass, and if it did pass, wouldn't see a second of enactment because a federal (and likely California State court) would enjoin it faster than you could sneeze.
  • FRE0

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    Mar 04, 2015 12:19 AM GMT
    michael61 said
    wesv said
    NeuralShock saidHe should be thrown in jail, that is premeditating genocide.


    Did you know that in the US we have the death penalty? Even California still practices it.


    Yes, many have the death penalty. Those 3 Muslims that were murdered are being recommended for the death sentence.


    Very interesting. Since they've been murdered, I assume that they will be resurrected so that the death sentence can be applied.
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    Svnw688 said
    theantijock saidDo such statutes as...

    http://oag.ca.gov/civil/htm/laws

    State of California Department of Justice
    Office of the Attorney General

    California's Civil and Criminal Laws Pertaining to Hate Crimes

    Civil Statutes

    1) "The Ralph Act," Civil Code sections 51.7 and 52--provides that it is a civil right for a person to be free of violence or its threat against the person or his or her property, because of a person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, political affiliation, sex, sexual orientation, age or disability or position in a labor dispute, or because a person is perceived to have one or more of these characteristics....

    &

    2) "The Bane Act," Civil Code section 52.1 --provides protection from interference by threats, intimidation, or coercion or for attempts to interfere with someone's state or federal statutory or constitutional rights (these include association, assembly, due process, education, employment, equal protection, expression, formation and enforcement of contracts, holding of public office, housing, privacy, speech, travel, use of public facilities, voting, worship, and protection from bodily restraint or harm, from personal insult, from defamation, and from injury to personal relations)-- proof of "hate motivation" required, according to a 1994 Court of Appeal decision in Boccato v. City of Hermosa Beach

    Enforced by Attorney General, any district attorney or city attorney, or a private attorney

    Provides for civil penalties for perpetrators, civil remedies to victims of "hate violence," three times actual damages, but no less than $1000, punitive damages, injunctive and other equitable relief (violation of the injunctive relief is punishable by a criminal contempt action, with a penalty of six months in jail and/or a fine not exceeding $1000) and attorney's fees


    ....make either civilly or criminally actionable the submitting of such an initiative AND the acceptance of that proposal by a municipal clerk?


    I like what you're thinking, but no. Political acts, just like the words written and said in a lawsuit, receive immunity. You could sue him, as anyone can sue anyone, but it'd be throw on on a Motion to Dismiss when they interposed and invoked political acts immunity.

    Now, IF this absurd law were to pass, then that'd be an interesting legal battle of which law trumps which law in California, but almost certainly the federal rights of due process and equality would enjoin any potential enactment of this law.

    In short, while this is an interesting academic exercise: (1) he cannot be sued (successfully) or otherwise prosecuted for proposing a law--even a genocidal law, and (2) the law practically will not pass, and if it did pass, wouldn't see a second of enactment because a federal (and likely California State court) would enjoin it faster than you could sneeze.


    Good - and correct - analysis. This thing needs several thousand valid signatures to make it onto the ballot. Translation: it ain't goin' nowhere. I LOL'd several times when I first read its text.
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    Mar 04, 2015 12:39 AM GMT
    Svnw688 saidI like what you're thinking, but no. Political acts, just like the words written and said in a lawsuit, receive immunity. You could sue him, as anyone can sue anyone, but it'd be throw on on a Motion to Dismiss when they interposed and invoked political acts immunity.

    Now, IF this absurd law were to pass, then that'd be an interesting legal battle of which law trumps which law in California, but almost certainly the federal rights of due process and equality would enjoin any potential enactment of this law.

    In short, while this is an interesting academic exercise: (1) he cannot be sued (successfully) or otherwise prosecuted for proposing a law--even a genocidal law, and (2) the law practically will not pass, and if it did pass, wouldn't see a second of enactment because a federal (and likely California State court) would enjoin it faster than you could sneeze.


    Interesting the mechanics. I'm not familiar with that though I'd imagine there are free speech issues and others as well. But now suppose what's essentially an act of intimidation were widespread and reoccurring. Say, what if a Nazi group decided to build ovens for Jews, one in every town. Bobo must be salivating at that one. And they bought property or got contracts to purchase pending approvals for their human crematories of live Jews.

    Are you saying that the law demands that each municipality would be required to give that proposal the staff review or public process that all other projects get? That would show up on public agendas? There's no other mechanism to stop that?

    Is there a way to determine what's political (whatever that means) and what's harassment?

    So the question then is essentially when do protections kick in, after we've been kicked?

    Is that in law what you call a loophole?
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  • Svnw688

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    Mar 04, 2015 2:56 AM GMT
    @HiddenMember

    There is absolutely NO regulation on what legislation (by legislators, or in governments allowing referendum or initiatives, the public) can be proposed. Legally things are often grouped more broadly as "content" and more specifically as "viewpoint."

    For example. Sometimes ALL content is barred, such as when a public hall refuses to rent space to ALL groups.

    Sometimes specific VIEWPOINTS within that content is barred, such as when a public hall refuses to rent space to pro-life groups, but it will rent to pro-choice groups.

    Viewpoint discrimination is toxic and almost always unconstitutional. Regulation of content is permissible, so long as it's even-handed toward both (or all) sides.

    Now, all that fancy analysis above, flush it out. It's hog wash when it comes to proposed legislation or court filings. I could file a lawsuit that said the most vulgar, horrible allegations imaginable, and I would be entitled to the SAME process as any other lawsuit or bill. There is, importantly, no gatekeeper function.

    Now, if you filed a lawsuit you might get slapped with sanctions, and with proposed legislation you'll receive the wrath of public opinion and scorn. But in terms of "processing" this trash, if he can get the signatures, it's up for a vote.
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    Mar 04, 2015 3:19 AM GMT
    When I read articles like this, some type of mental illness/trauma has to be at play. This appears to be too irrational a thought for a normal person. I mean, does he feel this way and expend this effort regarding rapists or murderers who ACTUALLY do harm people?
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    Mar 04, 2015 3:36 AM GMT
    Why is this post in All Things Gay thread? Gay news?




    Make sure you ask CA AG for this mans disbarment and or arrest and conviction


    The State Attorney General will accept public comments on the “Sodomite Suppression Act” through March 28. To comment on the proposed initiative, click here. https://oag.ca.gov/node/add/initiative-comment/48523