Liberals, why give free money to Illegal Aliens who have never paid taxes and have broken multiple US laws?

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    Mar 03, 2015 12:49 AM GMT
    The Earned Income Tax Credit provides cash payments to lower-income households, even those that didn’t earn enough to pay income tax, and can be worth several thousand dollars:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/irs-confirms-illegal-immigrant-tax-refund-ruling-sparking-gop-outcry-1425341738


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    Mar 03, 2015 3:59 AM GMT
    This actually is outrageous and I can't wait to hear the arguments in favor of this.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Mar 03, 2015 5:15 AM GMT
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    [cite]mx5guynj said[/cite]The Earned Income Tax Credit provides cash payments to lower-income households, even those that didn’t earn enough to pay income tax, and can be worth several thousand dollars:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/irs-confirms-illegal-immigrant-tax-refund-ruling-sparking-gop-outcry-1425341738

    Caps below are mine:

    "He (IRS Commissioner Koskinen) also clarified his testimony to the Senate last week, where he acknowledged illegal immigrants who HAD PAID TAXES using substitute Social Security numbers but who gain real Social Security numbers when they are approved for the amnesty can apply for back-refunds of the Earned Income Tax Credit.

    On Wednesday, he said even illegal immigrants who didn’t pay taxes (JUST LIKE US CITIZENS WHO DON'T PAY TAXES) will be able to apply for back-credits once they get Social Security numbers.

    The EITC is a refundable tax credit, which means those (UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS OR US CITIZENS) who don’t have any tax liability can still get money back from the government.

    “Under the new program, if you get a Social Security number and you work, you’ll be eligible to apply for the Earned Income Tax Credit,” Mr. Koskinen said."

    And, of course, this only applies to FEDERAL income tax payments... are you going to whine about this crowd, below, too?

    "Exxon received $600 million annual tax breaks. In 2011, Exxon paid just 13 percent in taxes. The company paid no taxes to the U.S. federal government in 2009, despite 45.2 billion record profits. It paid $15 billion in taxes, but NONE IN FEDERAL INCOME TAX."

    $45.2 billion in profits....and not a penny in Federal Taxes. Compare that to the EITC "minutiae" your talking about for undocumented aliens.


  • WrestlerBoy

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    Mar 03, 2015 5:23 AM GMT
    Oh, and before you ask how many times Exxon has "broken multiple laws"? Give this a go.. at just ONE refinery, almost 1,000 times...a year.

    "ExxonMobil broke clean air laws at its Baytown oil refinery and chemical plant near Houston more than 4,000 times over five years."
    SOURCE: EnvironmentTexas.Org
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    Mar 03, 2015 5:30 AM GMT
    Illegal aliens pay plenty of taxes. Migrant laborers sign up to work with fake IDs and the W2 forms always come back "addressee unknown" or "no such address." The government keeps all the state and federal taxes withheld but never filed on.

    Funny thing... the same thing happens with gay houseboys. icon_neutral.gif
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    Mar 03, 2015 12:41 PM GMT
    Ah, I forgot, two or more wrongs make a right. Lol. So if a giant corporation can do it, then people working illegally should do it. Of course, your point is mistaken about the taxes Exxon pays, but just using your logic. Migrant workers are not usually illegal, there are special immigration regs for them. If they would be getting W-2's then obviously the business is not paying them under the table. But day laborers or those employed by shady companies pay no taxes. Paying anyone a tax refund when they paid no taxes is another form of government handout. When did the idiocy of IRS bureaucracy become a government benefit to be defended?
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    Mar 03, 2015 12:47 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidIllegal aliens pay plenty of taxes. Migrant laborers sign up to work with fake IDs and the W2 forms always come back "addressee unknown" or "no such address." The government keeps all the state and federal taxes withheld but never filed on.

    Funny thing... the same thing happens with gay houseboys. icon_neutral.gif


    Anyone working with a fake ID, should pay taxes, like all of us. And the organization hiring them should be punished if it is discovered. If the person comes forward with their fake social security number, they should be punished. It is not victimless. I know people whose social was used illegally by someone for this reason and they spent a long time trying to resolve it with the IRS and creditors.
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    Mar 03, 2015 2:00 PM GMT
    Liberals, why give free money to Illegal Aliens who have never paid taxes and have broken multiple US laws?

    Is that anything like:

    "Conservatives, why give free money to dishonest corporations who have never paid their full tax share and have broken multiple US laws?"
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    Mar 03, 2015 3:19 PM GMT
    strongbull saidAh, I forgot, two or more wrongs make a right. Lol. So if a giant corporation can do it, then people working illegally should do it.


    Two points I'd like to make here:

    Number one, I think the point WrestlerBoy is trying to make is how hypocritical the Republican party can be. I have NEVER heard Southbeach or any other Republican complain about how these huge corporations are raping America. So does two wrongs make a right? Of course not, but why do you guys turn a blind eye to big oil companies and focus on the poor people? It makes no sense.

    Number two, not all Progressives approve of everything our party does. In fact 100% of my Democratic friends are opposed to this open door policy in regards to illegal aliens. But unfortunately we in this country are confined to just two parties so we must choose from the lesser evil. And to those with any conscience at all, the Republican party is just not an option.
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    Mar 03, 2015 3:40 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidIllegal aliens pay plenty of taxes. Migrant laborers sign up to work with fake IDs and the W2 forms always come back "addressee unknown" or "no such address." The government keeps all the state and federal taxes withheld but never filed on.

    Funny thing... the same thing happens with gay houseboys. icon_neutral.gif


    I think it's just as likely that those undocumented workers have taxes withheld by their employers who, knowing the W2's will never be filed, fail to send it to the IRS.
  • tj85016

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    Mar 03, 2015 3:54 PM GMT
    I would deport every friggin' one of them, just like Canada, Mexico and Australia do
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    Mar 03, 2015 4:00 PM GMT
    JuanPablomv89 said
    Art_Deco saidLiberals, why give free money to Illegal Aliens who have never paid taxes and have broken multiple US laws?

    Is that anything like:

    "Conservatives, why give free money to dishonest corporations who have never paid their full tax share and have broken multiple US laws?"

    Why Hollywood celebrities make millions for doing nothing avoiding paying taxes like pop singers and actors/ actresses?

    Why horse face Chelsea Clinton lives in a very expensive Manhattan
    neighborhood?

    Why michelle Obama wears designers clothes and appears on fashion magazine covers?.

    Why democrats can have a luxurious life but Republicans cant? Why you got married by the catholic church and God laws if you are liberal?.

    Why are you a HYPOCRITE?

    Interesting that it's people from your own Mexico whom the racially prejudiced US Right Wing bigots are attacking. And what a low blow of yours to slander Chelsea Clinton (whom I've met), who bears no fault for any of the sins you imagine her parents to have committed. That's really sleazy, man.

    As for Michelle Obama, she actually often wears ordinary off-the-rack clothes, and recycles them. But all First Ladies in recent times have worn designer clothes for special events, which are often on loan and returned to the maker afterwards, just like is done at the Hollywood Oscars. And some outfits have ended up on display at the Smithsonian Institution. Particularly their Inaugural Ball gowns.

    And why shouldn't Michelle be on fashion magazine covers? She's tied with Jackie Kennedy as being our most beautiful First Lady ever in modern times. Frankly, I think she even surpasses Jackie. That's what fashion magazines do, and why male hunks are on the cover of GQ and other mags. The US First Lady is by definition a celebrity, and publications want to feature her, whoever she is, for the increased demand it gives them.

    I was indeed married by the Catholic Church. By the Vatican's Papal Legate to the United States himself (before Reagan established formal diplomatic relations with the Vatican State, and an ambassador-rank Apostolic Nuncio was installed). Who presented us with a Papal Blessing - now THAT'S a Catholic wedding.

    Does that make me a hypocrite? Not at the time. And many in the Church were social liberals, pressing the fight for racial equality that US Right Wingers opposed, as they still do today. I've merely evolved with time on the issue of gay civil rights. Which I never thought about back then, 40 years ago.

    And I'm proud to think this old dog can still learn new tricks, to borrow from a US adage. Rather than being a hypocrite, I think I learn by my mistakes, and the mistakes of others. Do you?
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    Mar 03, 2015 4:04 PM GMT
    They should not be allowed to stay here, if they did not come in legally. There isn't jobs for these people in the first place, so it will just add more people on welfare and food stamps and then taxes will have to be raised to pay for all of this. It would be different, if there was a shortage of workers, but that is not the case.
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    Mar 03, 2015 4:38 PM GMT
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    michael61 saidThey should not be allowed to stay here, if they did not come in legally. There isn't jobs for these people in the first place, so it will just add more people on welfare and food stamps and then taxes will have to be raised to pay for all of this. It would be different, if there was a shortage of workers, but that is not the case.

    And... they will work cheap, thus depressing wages for Americans and immigrants who went through the torture process that they have to go through to come here LEGALLY.

    African-Americans will be impacted negatively the most by Obama's illegal amnesty, yet they simply aren't aware of this fact.

    Then what do you think of the corporate outsourcing of US jobs to foreign countries, that Mitt Romney specializes in doing? How does that help US workers?
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    Mar 03, 2015 4:43 PM GMT
    MX5guynj: Please turn OFF the Fox Feaux News channel and visit Real World.
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    Mar 03, 2015 4:47 PM GMT
    rnch saidMX5guynj: Please turn OFF the Fox Faux News channel and visit Real World.

    +1
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    Mar 03, 2015 5:30 PM GMT
    JuanPablomv89 said
    Art_Deco said
    rnch saidMX5guynj: Please turn OFF the Fox Faux News channel and visit Real World.

    +1

    You are not better than Republicans becauase you have attacked Mexico wit offensive comments here. Business and smart men have the right to be on GQ magazines because they make their money with.their hard work.not with citizens taxes. You are fake


    the corrupt narco-state of Mexico deserves to be criticized
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    Mar 03, 2015 8:02 PM GMT
    michael61 saidThey should not be allowed to stay here, if they did not come in legally. There isn't jobs for these people in the first place, so it will just add more people on welfare and food stamps and then taxes will have to be raised to pay for all of this. It would be different, if there was a shortage of workers, but that is not the case.
    thank you, +1000.
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    Mar 03, 2015 8:19 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said


    And... they will work cheap, thus depressing wages for Americans




    The Koch Bros/Republican Party have fought to depress wages for American workers with every devious tactic they could.

    Now you'd like us to believe this is one of your concerns?
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    Mar 03, 2015 8:25 PM GMT
    JuanPablomv89 said
    Why cant Republicans be rich or wear designer clothes like Michelle Obama?. Why Democrats can be rich like you?. Dont justify or excuse yourself for being in a straight marriage in the past. Democrats are the same as Republicans. Both parties steal money for their own benefits, I dont buy that support of Obama to Gay rights he only wanted more votes in adittion to Chelsea Clinton maybe she showed you her chanel purses collection as she shoewd to a very presticious society magazine. A first lady job is not wearing expensive clothes is to help her country.

    Gay men should not vote for Hilary Clinton. One of my straight female friends was sexually harrased by her lesbian boss so she had to quit her job. Lesbians can be the same as straight men

    Actually the 1-percenter Republicans wear outrageously expensive clothes & jewels. I rub elbows with them all the time at social functions. Maybe if you came north of the border you could see for yourself.

    President Obama has advanced gay rights, with the repeal of DADT and the refusal to enforce DOMA, along with many other pro-gay measures, more than any US President in history.

    I met Chelsea when she was a girl, and her father was still Governor of Arkansas. I presented him with a US Army award, and later was his military escort at the celebrations following Desert Storm in 1991, welcoming home Arkansans in the National Guard & Reserve who had fought. I was the co-host for the big evening gala the Clintons attended.

    On one occasion the entire Clinton family was on the same commercial flight into Little Rock as I was. They were back in Coach, sitting 3-across, despite Bill being the Governor and just beginning his Presidential run, while I was up in First Class.

    Chelsea was a pleasant young girl, with no Chanel purses. Not a beauty then, I'll admit, but attractive now, in what she's become. And certainly more attractive as a person than you are, with your hateful, ugly & unwarranted comments.

    So that as a non-US citizen you might want to put a lid on it, as we say.
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    Mar 03, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    JuanPablomv89 said
    Why cant Republicans be rich or wear designer clothes like Michelle Obama?. Why Democrats can be rich like you?. Dont justify or excuse yourself for being in a straight marriage in the past. Democrats are the same as Republicans. Both parties steal money for their own benefits, I dont buy that support of Obama to Gay rights he only wanted more votes in adittion to Chelsea Clinton maybe she showed you her chanel purses collection as she shoewd to a very presticious society magazine. A first lady job is not wearing expensive clothes is to help her country.

    Gay men should not vote for Hilary Clinton. One of my straight female friends was sexually harrased by her lesbian boss so she had to quit her job. Lesbians can be the same as straight men

    Actually the 1-percenter Republicans wear outrageously expensive clothes & jewels. I rub elbows with them all the time at social functions. Maybe if you came north of the border you could see for yourself.

    President Obama has advanced gay rights, with the repeal of DADT and the refusal to enforce DOMA, along with many other pro-gay measures, more than any US President in history.

    I met Chelsea when she was a girl, and her father was still Governor of Arkansas. I presented him with a US Army award, and later was his military escort at the celebrations following Desert Storm in 1991, welcoming home Arkansans in the National Guard & Reserve who had fought. I was the co-host for the big evening gala the Clintons attended.

    On one occasion the entire Clinton family was on the same commercial flight into Little Rock as I was. They were back in Coach, sitting 3-across, despite Bill being the Governor and just beginning his Presidential run, while I was up in First Class.

    Chelsea was a pleasant young girl, with no Chanel purses. Not a beauty then, I'll admit, but attractive now, in what she's become. And certainly more attractive as a person than you are, with your hateful, ugly & unwarranted comments.

    So that as a non-US citizen you might want to put a lid on it, as we say.
    hey, wait a minute art, there are a couple of Canadian nationals that love to comment on american issues and personalities so this Mexican national has just as much right to comment. He is absolutely right about the Clintons especially the hapless hillary ho and that spoiled rotten brat that they have for a daughter. Where did she acquire all the wealth and prestige at such a young age, obviously she has lived with a silver spoon in her mouth up to this point. But because they are democrats, they can do no wrong in your book. Well the truth always hurts and you EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS are all scared shitless of the truth. Oh well, tough shit.


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    Mar 03, 2015 10:38 PM GMT
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    He is absolutely right about the Clintons especially the hapless hillary ho and that spoiled rotten brat that they have for a daughter. Where did she acquire all the wealth and prestige at such a young age, obviously she has lived with a silver spoon in her mouth up to this point. But because they are democrats, they can do no wrong in your book. Well the truth always hurts and you EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS are all scared shitless of the truth. Oh well, tough shit.

    Your rabid, mindless, hateful Right Wing idiocy is too self-evident to comment upon. icon_razz.gif
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    Mar 03, 2015 11:42 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    He is absolutely right about the Clintons especially the hapless hillary ho and that spoiled rotten brat that they have for a daughter. Where did she acquire all the wealth and prestige at such a young age, obviously she has lived with a silver spoon in her mouth up to this point. But because they are democrats, they can do no wrong in your book. Well the truth always hurts and you EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS are all scared shitless of the truth. Oh well, tough shit.

    Your rabid, mindless, hateful Right Wing idiocy is too self-evident to comment upon. icon_razz.gif
    why because it is the truth. Is the truth hurting you that bad bunky? Is it going to drive you to drinkicon_question.gif
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Mar 14, 2015 12:38 PM GMT
    strongbull saidAh, I forgot, two or more wrongs make a right. Lol. So if a giant corporation can do it, then people working illegally should do it. Of course, your point is mistaken about the taxes Exxon pays, but just using your logic. Migrant workers are not usually illegal, there are special immigration regs for them. If they would be getting W-2's then obviously the business is not paying them under the table. But day laborers or those employed by shady companies pay no taxes. Paying anyone a tax refund when they paid no taxes is another form of government handout. When did the idiocy of IRS bureaucracy become a government benefit to be defended?


    They're using "fake IDs" to get the W2s...get it? Jesus.
    And yes... that's exactly my point...IF a giant corporation can do it, you bet your ASS a poor person can do it! Or are you "disagreeing" with that? Because I'm not. And my "point" about the "taxes Exxon pays" is not "mistaken"...at all; you'd just like it to be for your agenda. And who ARE you, that you "love" Exxon so much??? LOL
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    Mar 14, 2015 2:36 PM GMT
    WrestlerBoy saidOh, and before you ask how many times Exxon has "broken multiple laws"? Give this a go.. at just ONE refinery, almost 1,000 times...a year.

    "ExxonMobil broke clean air laws at its Baytown oil refinery and chemical plant near Houston more than 4,000 times over five years."
    SOURCE: EnvironmentTexas.Org


    For those undocumented that stole someones SS # will they be prosecuted for identity theft and why not?

    How about the felony of stealing a SS#.

    The argument of no damages ceases when other people are damaged when they have to hire lawyers to clear up there credit.