Secrets of Conservatives’ Decades-Long War on Truth

  • metta

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    Mar 03, 2015 7:23 AM GMT
    Secrets of Conservatives’ Decades-Long War on Truth


    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/its-worse-scott-walker-and-ted-cruz-secrets-conservatives-decades-long-war-truth
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    Mar 03, 2015 3:43 PM GMT
    From the core philosophy that has driven the university since the turn of the last century Scott Kevin Walker, Republican Governor of Wisconsin wanted to hack out the words: “Basic to every purpose of the system is the search for truth.” Rather than serving the people of the state by developing intellectual, cultural and humane sensitivities, expertise, and “a sense of purpose,” Walker prefers that the state university simply “meet the state’s workforce needs.” In the face of scathing criticism, the governor backtracked and, despite a trail of emails that led to his office, tried to claim the new language was a “drafting error.”

    But Walker’s attempt to replace the search for truth with workforce training was no error. Since the earliest days of Movement Conservatism in the 1950s, its leaders have understood that the movement’s success depends on destroying Americans’ faith in the academic search for truth. For two generations, Movement Conservatives have subverted American politics, with increasing success, by explicitly rejecting the principle of open debate based in reasoned argument. They have refused to engage with facts and instead simply demonized anyone who disagrees with their ideology. This is an astonishing position. It is an attack on the Enlightenment principles that gave rise to Western civilization.
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    Mar 03, 2015 9:29 PM GMT
    The left and the right lie through their teeth to get their agendas through.
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    Mar 03, 2015 11:32 PM GMT
    At least Conservatives don't reject the idea that objective truth exists.

    But, I agree that what Walker is doing is bad, although the Left is mostly responsible. Very few universities and academics believe in objective truth, and yet they still want funding for humanities departments, chairs, and professorships. For what purpose do humanities departments exist if truth is not held to be real and in some sense searchable and discernable? The answer for the past 60 years has been to espouse radical Leftism.

    There are (have been) only two reasons that provide a compelling incentive and impetus to fund the study of the humanities on a societal level. First is if society generally agrees that truth exists and its pursuit is therefore necessary. This is what a Medieval person would have felt, and is precisely why the university in the West was established in the first place. Second is the notion that humane learning is necessary for freedom, for how is man free if he cannot think about what the good life is and how and whether to pursue it. This is how the ancient Greek would have felt. A combination of these two gave rise to the study of the liberal arts in America, and is why until the past few decades Americans had a unique devotion to humane learning.

    But, now, there are too many Americans like the OP and not enough Americans like me to justify pouring money into the study of humane things, which is why the humanities are largely dying. Walker and Perry would rather just ditch the humanities from the university altogether, which is sad, but better than the status quo (if we aren't going to be truly free and liberally educated, at least let's not pretend in our hubris that we are). A truly authentic Conservative solution would be to return to a truly liberal arts curriculum, which means studying Western literature, philosophy, theology, theatre, history, and government from Homer until the present. Put differently, the solution would be to fire all the professors who teach classes like "Britney Spears and 1990s music", "queer ecology", "feminist popstars," and "Harry Potter", and hire professors who would teach courses like "Ancient Greek Tragedy", "Ancient Greek Comedy", "Enlightenment Philosophy", "Dostoevsky and Nietzsche," etc...

    But, alas, that would demand that we actually care about searching for truth, something that the majority of college-educated liberals do not believe in in the first place. As the New York Times described yesterday, the "Common Core" is trying to teach 2nd graders that all opinions cannot be facts (only scientific material claims can be factual). It's basically just conservatives and poor minorities who still cling to things like guns, religion, and "truth". In such a society, the university has lost its raison d'etre.
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    Mar 04, 2015 12:36 AM GMT
    Subjective truth was a fundamental core concept of old liberalism, however pure outright prevarication has become the M.O. of modern liberalism to a degree that would have made Richard Nixon blush.
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    Mar 04, 2015 12:57 AM GMT
    donj499 said
    The left and the right lie through their teeth to get their agendas through.

    A convenient argument that the Right uses when they get caught: "They BOTH do it."

    But a false argument. The Right is the serial abuser of US rights here, of Constitutional disregard and civil rights violations, not the Left.

    But when challenged their canned answer is: "The Left does it too!"

    Well, no, the Left doesn't commit the extensive crimes & abuses that the Right does. But it's an easy way to deflect their guilt, and make people pause, and have doubt.
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    KJSharp saidAt least Conservatives don't reject the idea that objective truth exists.

    But, I agree that what Walker is doing is bad, although the Left is mostly responsible. Very few universities and academics believe in objective truth, and yet they still want funding for humanities departments, chairs, and professorships. For what purpose do humanities departments exist if truth is not held to be real and in some sense searchable and discernable? The answer for the past 60 years has been to espouse radical Leftism.

    There are (have been) only two reasons that provide a compelling incentive and impetus to fund the study of the humanities on a societal level. First is if society generally agrees that truth exists and its pursuit is therefore necessary. This is what a Medieval person would have felt, and is precisely why the university in the West was established in the first place. Second is the notion that humane learning is necessary for freedom, for how is man free if he cannot think about what the good life is and how and whether to pursue it. This is how the ancient Greek would have felt. A combination of these two gave rise to the study of the liberal arts in America, and is why until the past few decades Americans had a unique devotion to humane learning.

    But, now, there are too many Americans like the OP and not enough Americans like me to justify pouring money into the study of humane things, which is why the humanities are largely dying. Walker and Perry would rather just ditch the humanities from the university altogether, which is sad, but better than the status quo (if we aren't going to be truly free and liberally educated, at least let's not pretend in our hubris that we are). A truly authentic Conservative solution would be to return to a truly liberal arts curriculum, which means studying Western literature, philosophy, theology, theatre, history, and government from Homer until the present. Put differently, the solution would be to fire all the professors who teach classes like "Britney Spears and 1990s music", "queer ecology", "feminist popstars," and "Harry Potter", and hire professors who would teach courses like "Ancient Greek Tragedy", "Ancient Greek Comedy", "Enlightenment Philosophy", "Dostoevsky and Nietzsche," etc...

    But, alas, that would demand that we actually care about searching for truth, something that the majority of college-educated liberals do not believe in in the first place. As the New York Times described yesterday, the "Common Core" is trying to teach 2nd graders that all opinions cannot be facts (only scientific material claims can be factual). It's basically just conservatives and poor minorities who still cling to things like guns, religion, and "truth". In such a society, the university has lost its raison d'etre.


    Unfortunately, I don't have the ability anymore, if ever, to express myself as well and succinctly as you just did. What I can do though, is say IMO, that's the best post of the year.
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    KJSharp saidAt least Conservatives don't reject the idea that objective truth exists.

    But, I agree that what Walker is doing is bad, although the Left is mostly responsible. Very few universities and academics believe in objective truth, and yet they still want funding for humanities departments, chairs, and professorships. For what purpose do humanities departments exist if truth is not held to be real and in some sense searchable and discernable? The answer for the past 60 years has been to espouse radical Leftism.

    There are (have been) only two reasons that provide a compelling incentive and impetus to fund the study of the humanities on a societal level. First is if society generally agrees that truth exists and its pursuit is therefore necessary. This is what a Medieval person would have felt, and is precisely why the university in the West was established in the first place. Second is the notion that humane learning is necessary for freedom, for how is man free if he cannot think about what the good life is and how and whether to pursue it. This is how the ancient Greek would have felt. A combination of these two gave rise to the study of the liberal arts in America, and is why until the past few decades Americans had a unique devotion to humane learning.

    But, now, there are too many Americans like the OP and not enough Americans like me to justify pouring money into the study of humane things, which is why the humanities are largely dying. Walker and Perry would rather just ditch the humanities from the university altogether, which is sad, but better than the status quo (if we aren't going to be truly free and liberally educated, at least let's not pretend in our hubris that we are). A truly authentic Conservative solution would be to return to a truly liberal arts curriculum, which means studying Western literature, philosophy, theology, theatre, history, and government from Homer until the present. Put differently, the solution would be to fire all the professors who teach classes like "Britney Spears and 1990s music", "queer ecology", "feminist popstars," and "Harry Potter", and hire professors who would teach courses like "Ancient Greek Tragedy", "Ancient Greek Comedy", "Enlightenment Philosophy", "Dostoevsky and Nietzsche," etc...

    But, alas, that would demand that we actually care about searching for truth, something that the majority of college-educated liberals do not believe in in the first place. As the New York Times described yesterday, the "Common Core" is trying to teach 2nd graders that all opinions cannot be facts (only scientific material claims can be factual). It's basically just conservatives and poor minorities who still cling to things like guns, religion, and "truth". In such a society, the university has lost its raison d'etre.


    Thank you. All is not lost if someone your age can write a post like that.
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    Mar 04, 2015 2:32 PM GMT
    robbaker saidOsama is the worst democratic president ever .he's one jive sucker.talks the talk but doesn't do the walk.

    My, what a little racist YOU are! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 04, 2015 3:35 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    A convenient argument that the Right uses when they get caught: "They BOTH do it."

    But a false argument. The Right is the serial abuser of US rights here, of Constitutional disregard and civil rights violations, not the Left.

    But when challenged their canned answer is: "The Left does it too!"

    Well, no, the Left doesn't commit the extensive crimes & abuses that the Right does. But it's an easy way to deflect their guilt, and make people pause, and have doubt.


    Art Deco, you should be embarrassed for writing the words above. It takes a suspension of reason and common sense to be able to even consider these words as attached to reality.

    The only explanations for this are either you are truly a mindless shill for the leftist incapable of reasoning or that you're a simple minded bumpkin who believes and then repeats anything you hear from your beloved ones.



    Art_Deco said
    robbaker saidOsama is the worst democratic president ever .he's one jive sucker.talks the talk but doesn't do the walk.

    My, what a little racist YOU are! icon_biggrin.gif


    ArtDeco

    Robbaker didn't make a statement overtly revealing any racism. Your response to him reveals just what a shallow and bigoted liberal jackass you are. Look up the definition of the word bigot and see how well it fits you. The fact that you'd write the words as you did shows that you really are just a non-thinking loyal servant of leftist ideology
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    Mar 04, 2015 3:51 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    Art_Deco said
    A convenient argument that the Right uses when they get caught: "They BOTH do it."

    But a false argument. The Right is the serial abuser of US rights here, of Constitutional disregard and civil rights violations, not the Left.

    But when challenged their canned answer is: "The Left does it too!"

    Well, no, the Left doesn't commit the extensive crimes & abuses that the Right does. But it's an easy way to deflect their guilt, and make people pause, and have doubt.


    Art Deco, you should be embarrassed for writing the words above. It takes a suspension of reason and common sense to be able to even consider these words as attached to reality.

    The only explanations for this are either you are truly a mindless shill for the leftist incapable of reasoning or that you're a simple minded bumpkin who believes and then repeats anything you hear from your beloved ones.



    Art_Deco said
    robbaker saidOsama is the worst democratic president ever .he's one jive sucker.talks the talk but doesn't do the walk.

    My, what a little racist YOU are! icon_biggrin.gif


    ArtDeco

    Robbaker didn't make a statement overtly revealing any racism. Your response to him reveals just what a shallow and bigoted liberal jackass you are. Look up the definition of the word bigot and see how well it fits you. The fact that you'd write the words as you did shows that you really are just a non-thinking loyal servant of leftist ideology



    So riding on the backs of minorities is not a violation? Using poor people for their agenda isn't bad? Killing fetuses and government handouts which only make poor people poorer
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    Mar 04, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
    Joeyphx444 said

    So riding on the backs of minorities is not a violation? Using poor people for their agenda isn't bad? Killing fetuses and government handouts which only make poor people poorer


    Be careful joey. Talking about minorities and not being a liberal may get you called a nazi or psycho tea bagger by one of the guys in here who think they're leftist intellectuals.
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    Mar 04, 2015 4:09 PM GMT
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    Alpha13 saidSubjective truth was a fundamental core concept of old liberalism, however pure outright prevarication has become the M.O. of modern liberalism to a degree that would have made Richard Nixon blush.


    Do you mean this?




    Ridiculous. This has been repeated by the Repukes so much that most don't even stop to notice that the vast majority of insured people did get to keep their Health Care Plan. Only the small minority that hard been created to offer minimal coverage had to be dropped for more inclusive plans. And most of the people who lost those plans for better ones got some financial help to pay for them and are extremely happy with the outcome. Again, just more Repuke bullshit. Say it loud and say it often and the dumb will start to believe.
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    Destinharbor saidRidiculous. This has been repeated by the Repukes so much that most don't even stop to notice that the vast majority of insured people did get to keep their Health Care Plan. Only the small minority that hard been created to offer minimal coverage had to be dropped for more inclusive plans. And most of the people who lost those plans for better ones got some financial help to pay for them and are extremely happy with the outcome. Again, just more Repuke bullshit. Say it loud and say it often and the dumb will start to believe.

    This has to be one of the absolute stupidest things I read here in a long time. Not only that but completely immature, with his childish name-calling. Perfect example of someone too stupid to use the internet, and lacking common sense to realize it.

    Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

    Obama’s pledge that ‘no one will take away’ your health plan
    Four Pinocchios
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/?hpid=z1
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    Mar 04, 2015 5:05 PM GMT
    "Secrets" revealed? Please. Silly stories, especially from sour sources, lead to silly posts, and this thread has 'em in spades.
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    Mar 04, 2015 5:20 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Destinharbor saidRidiculous. This has been repeated by the Repukes so much that most don't even stop to notice that the vast majority of insured people did get to keep their Health Care Plan. Only the small minority that hard been created to offer minimal coverage had to be dropped for more inclusive plans. And most of the people who lost those plans for better ones got some financial help to pay for them and are extremely happy with the outcome. Again, just more Repuke bullshit. Say it loud and say it often and the dumb will start to believe.

    This has to be one of the absolute stupidest things I read here in a long time. Not only that but completely immature, with his childish name-calling. Perfect example of someone too stupid to use the internet, and lacking common sense to realize it.

    Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

    Obama’s pledge that ‘no one will take away’ your health plan
    Four Pinocchios
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/?hpid=z1

    See? Repukes can't think beyond soundbites. If you read your own attachments, if you aren't too stupid to read what is written, you'll see that approximately 1.5% of all policies couldn't be "Grandfathered" because they simply didn't cover the minimum requirements. Exactly what I said and a perfect example of how Repukes simply ignore truth.
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    socalfitness said
    Destinharbor saidRidiculous. This has been repeated by the Repukes so much that most don't even stop to notice that the vast majority of insured people did get to keep their Health Care Plan. Only the small minority that hard been created to offer minimal coverage had to be dropped for more inclusive plans. And most of the people who lost those plans for better ones got some financial help to pay for them and are extremely happy with the outcome. Again, just more Repuke bullshit. Say it loud and say it often and the dumb will start to believe.

    This has to be one of the absolute stupidest things I read here in a long time. Not only that but completely immature, with his childish name-calling. Perfect example of someone too stupid to use the internet, and lacking common sense to realize it.

    Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

    Obama’s pledge that ‘no one will take away’ your health plan
    Four Pinocchios
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/?hpid=z1

    See? Repukes can't think beyond soundbites. If you read your own attachments, if you aren't too stupid to read what is written, you'll see that approximately 1.5% of all policies couldn't be "Grandfathered" because they simply didn't cover the minimum requirements. Exactly what I said and a perfect example of how Repukes simply ignore truth.

    A lie is a lie is a lie. The Washington Post and Politifact didn't offer lame excuses to cover up a lie.
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    Mar 04, 2015 5:59 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Destinharbor said
    socalfitness said
    Destinharbor saidRidiculous. This has been repeated by the Repukes so much that most don't even stop to notice that the vast majority of insured people did get to keep their Health Care Plan. Only the small minority that hard been created to offer minimal coverage had to be dropped for more inclusive plans. And most of the people who lost those plans for better ones got some financial help to pay for them and are extremely happy with the outcome. Again, just more Repuke bullshit. Say it loud and say it often and the dumb will start to believe.

    This has to be one of the absolute stupidest things I read here in a long time. Not only that but completely immature, with his childish name-calling. Perfect example of someone too stupid to use the internet, and lacking common sense to realize it.

    Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

    Obama’s pledge that ‘no one will take away’ your health plan
    Four Pinocchios
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/?hpid=z1

    See? Repukes can't think beyond soundbites. If you read your own attachments, if you aren't too stupid to read what is written, you'll see that approximately 1.5% of all policies couldn't be "Grandfathered" because they simply didn't cover the minimum requirements. Exactly what I said and a perfect example of how Repukes simply ignore truth.

    A lie is a lie is a lie. The Washington Post and Politifact didn't offer lame excuses to cover up a lie.

    So what he said was absolutely true for 98.5% of all Americans and the ones that it wasn't true for got improved healthcare. Such utter bullshit. Grow up.
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    socalfitness said
    Destinharbor said
    socalfitness said
    Destinharbor saidRidiculous. This has been repeated by the Repukes so much that most don't even stop to notice that the vast majority of insured people did get to keep their Health Care Plan. Only the small minority that hard been created to offer minimal coverage had to be dropped for more inclusive plans. And most of the people who lost those plans for better ones got some financial help to pay for them and are extremely happy with the outcome. Again, just more Repuke bullshit. Say it loud and say it often and the dumb will start to believe.

    This has to be one of the absolute stupidest things I read here in a long time. Not only that but completely immature, with his childish name-calling. Perfect example of someone too stupid to use the internet, and lacking common sense to realize it.

    Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

    Obama’s pledge that ‘no one will take away’ your health plan
    Four Pinocchios
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/?hpid=z1

    See? Repukes can't think beyond soundbites. If you read your own attachments, if you aren't too stupid to read what is written, you'll see that approximately 1.5% of all policies couldn't be "Grandfathered" because they simply didn't cover the minimum requirements. Exactly what I said and a perfect example of how Repukes simply ignore truth.

    A lie is a lie is a lie. The Washington Post and Politifact didn't offer lame excuses to cover up a lie.

    So what he said was absolutely true for 98.5% of all Americans and the ones that it wasn't true for got improved healthcare. Such utter bullshit. Grow up.

    First of all, the grandfathering issue was only one reason many were not able to keep their current plans or see their current doctors. Many other reasons that you are willfully ignoring or too stupid to understand. Even with that one issue:
    "PolitiFact counted 37 times when he’d included no caveats, such as a high-profile speech to the American Medical Association in 2009: "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."

    If your simple-minded excuse were true and the chief factor, do you think both organizations would have considered his statements to be the blatant lies? No you don't think. You're just a mindless drone who I'm sure voted for Obama twice.
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    Mar 04, 2015 7:05 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Destinharbor said
    socalfitness said
    Destinharbor said
    socalfitness said
    Destinharbor saidRidiculous. This has been repeated by the Repukes so much that most don't even stop to notice that the vast majority of insured people did get to keep their Health Care Plan. Only the small minority that hard been created to offer minimal coverage had to be dropped for more inclusive plans. And most of the people who lost those plans for better ones got some financial help to pay for them and are extremely happy with the outcome. Again, just more Repuke bullshit. Say it loud and say it often and the dumb will start to believe.

    This has to be one of the absolute stupidest things I read here in a long time. Not only that but completely immature, with his childish name-calling. Perfect example of someone too stupid to use the internet, and lacking common sense to realize it.

    Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

    Obama’s pledge that ‘no one will take away’ your health plan
    Four Pinocchios
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/?hpid=z1

    See? Repukes can't think beyond soundbites. If you read your own attachments, if you aren't too stupid to read what is written, you'll see that approximately 1.5% of all policies couldn't be "Grandfathered" because they simply didn't cover the minimum requirements. Exactly what I said and a perfect example of how Repukes simply ignore truth.

    A lie is a lie is a lie. The Washington Post and Politifact didn't offer lame excuses to cover up a lie.

    So what he said was absolutely true for 98.5% of all Americans and the ones that it wasn't true for got improved healthcare. Such utter bullshit. Grow up.

    First of all, the grandfathering issue was only one reason many were not able to keep their current plans or see their current doctors. Many other reasons that you are willfully ignoring or too stupid to understand. Even with that one issue:
    "PolitiFact counted 37 times when he’d included no caveats, such as a high-profile speech to the American Medical Association in 2009: "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."

    If your simple-minded excuse were true and the chief factor, do you think both organizations would have considered his statements to be the blatant lies? No you don't think. You're just a mindless drone who I'm sure voted for Obama twice.

    This is the point of view of a 13 year old. What he said was true for 98.5% of all Americans. The rest of your diatribe is just FOX bullshit that their audience is so stupid and gullible that they'll repeat. Benghazi!!!!
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    This guy is probably typical of a low informed, low intelligence voter. Likes to name call the GOP. Probably gets him hard doing so. Claims 98.5% can keep their plan and see their doctor, which most people know is false. Tries to claim the facts in what I cited support his position that Obama didn't lie, when that is contrary to the organizations' positions. Brings up Fox when neither source I cited was Fox. Anyway, it is what it is, dealing with an emotional, angry Obama supporter. Kind of like flogging an angry child.
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    socalfitness saidThis guy is probably typical of a low informed, low intelligence voter. Likes to name call the GOP. Probably gets him hard doing so. Claims 98.5% can keep their plan and see their doctor, which most people know is false. Tries to claim the facts in what I cited support his position that Obama didn't lie, when that is contrary to the organizations' positions. Brings up Fox when neither source I cited was Fox. Anyway, it is what it is, dealing with an emotional, angry Obama supporter. Kind of like flogging an angry child.

    This seems to be the latest coordinated conservaposse script here - anyone who opposes their Right Wing propaganda is "low intelligence", "emotional" and "angry". But a problem is that it all reads like it comes from a copier machine. You guys need better and more imaginative writers!

    And an even more fundamental issue is that guys on RJ are remarkably well-educated and very intelligent. About the best of any online site I've ever known. Despite this being a jock site, kinda not what you'd expect.

    So that calling us "low intelligence" is really not gonna win you any fans here. Under-informed at times on specific issues, perhaps, but being low intelligence, very rarely here.
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    Mar 04, 2015 8:12 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidThis guy is probably typical of a low informed, low intelligence voter. Likes to name call the GOP. Probably gets him hard doing so. Claims 98.5% can keep their plan and see their doctor, which most people know is false. Tries to claim the facts in what I cited support his position that Obama didn't lie, when that is contrary to the organizations' positions. Brings up Fox when neither source I cited was Fox. Anyway, it is what it is, dealing with an emotional, angry Obama supporter. Kind of like flogging an angry child.

    Boo, hoo. This is what is childish. And the 98.5% figure came from your sources above. I didn't think you'd read them. Repukes like you don't deal in facts. Which is what started the thread. Just stupid. Oh, and I have a degree in Economic Theory from Dartmouth. You're a moron.
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    socalfitness saidThis guy is probably typical of a low informed, low intelligence voter. Likes to name call the GOP. Probably gets him hard doing so. Claims 98.5% can keep their plan and see their doctor, which most people know is false. Tries to claim the facts in what I cited support his position that Obama didn't lie, when that is contrary to the organizations' positions. Brings up Fox when neither source I cited was Fox. Anyway, it is what it is, dealing with an emotional, angry Obama supporter. Kind of like flogging an angry child.

    Boo, hoo. This is what is childish. And the 98.5% figure came from your sources above. I didn't think you'd read them. Repukes like you don't deal in facts. Which is what started the thread. Just stupid. Oh, and I have a degree in Economic Theory from Dartmouth. You're a moron.

    Dumbass ... You don't understand how the 98.5% figure does not provide cover to the lie. Why do you think both Polifact and The Washington Post with all the facts at hand continued to label his statement as a lie? You can't answer that. If you did go to Dartmouth you're a poor representative. I have degrees from a couple of top schools in Cambridge, Massachusetts and am a pretty good judge of intelligence. You're sorely lacking.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 04, 2015 10:08 PM GMT
    Because the remaining 1.5% got better plans, idiot. Such bullshit.