Consumers Reports top picks for 2015

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    Mar 03, 2015 1:26 PM GMT
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    Min 3:00 on. Surprising?
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    Mar 03, 2015 3:45 PM GMT
    Yes that is surprising. Did you notice the comments on that site? No one wants to believe it and reliability was brought up. Impala better than an Accura and then the best sports sedan is a Buick? Maybe the fix is in?
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    Mar 03, 2015 4:16 PM GMT
    Kev1962 saidYes that is surprising. Did you notice the comments on that site? No one wants to believe it and reliability was brought up. Impala better than an Accura and then the best sports sedan is a Buick? Maybe the fix is in?


    Yeah, they laughed at comparing the Acura RLX min 4:05 (or whatever the alphabet soup) is to the Impala. So I'm happy for the home team in that they did a mainstream sedan as a world beater instead of a beater as was the case with the previous w-body PIMPala.
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    Mar 03, 2015 4:36 PM GMT
    In the past I have consulted this magazine for advice on buying washers & dryers, television sets, vacuum cleaners and other household related appliances.

    However, their questionable automobile ratings have been at odds with mine quite often in the past 30 years. They value numbers and stats like "hip room" and seat height more than I do.

    For many years CR's favorite car was a Rambler American.

    Yeeesh!
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    rnch saidIn the past I have consulted this magazine for advice on buying washers & dryers, television sets, vacuum cleaners and other household related appliances.

    However, their questionable automobile ratings have been at odds with mine quite often in the past 30 years. They value numbers and stats like "hip room" and seat height more than I do.

    For many years CR's favorite car was a Rambler American.

    Yeeesh!

    LOL!

    Yeah, CR's car recommendations have been dubious for years. I always take their ratings of anything with a grain of salt. They form part of my purchasing decision, but not all.
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    rnch saidIn the past I have consulted this magazine for advice on buying washers & dryers, television sets, vacuum cleaners and other household related appliances.

    However, their questionable automobile ratings have been at odds with mine quite often in the past 30 years. They value numbers and stats like "hip room" and seat height more than I do.

    For many years CR's favorite car was a Rambler American.

    Yeeesh!


    Nothing wrong with being hip.

    And then it was japanese for about three decades.

    I think they helped themselves a bunch by doing these (Talking Cars) youtube vids every couple of weeks so we can kinda get to know them a bit and where they're coming from. I find them more credible now than I did in the past.

    I still take a look regarding household appliances, etc., when I don't know a thing about the product. That's' not the case with cars.
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    Mar 03, 2015 4:59 PM GMT
    I personally knew many/most of the other old timer editors (or raced with a few of them) from Automobile, Car & Driver, Motor Twit and Hot Rod, but knew nothing about the CR guys.

    These guys are real different personality wise from the others, but I find them more credible when watching them. That doesn't mean that I agree with them all of the time, but I can see where they're coming from.

    I'm also pleased to see that they are a bit power hungry like most American males and have an enthusiast side to them.
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    Mar 03, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    I am not surprised , General Motors really has made progress on the last 5 years in design , reliability , and likability , i have seen it here with Holden first , and then noticed it the U.S with Chevrolet/Buick/Cadillac models .
    I am still asking myself why he took so long to G.M to get the Colorado ready for the U.S , as it already been in sale here since late 2013 .
    When it comes to Subaru , 4 vehicles for such a small automobile manufacturer is quite an exploit ! ,
    I am still amazed of how good and reliable they are , when used on our bush trails , they are light and agile , have a good ground clearance .
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    Mar 03, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
    neffa saidI am not surprised , General Motors really has made progress on the last 5 years in design , reliability , and likability , i have seen it here with Holden first , and then noticed it the U.S with Chevrolet/Buick/Cadillac models .
    I am still asking myself why he took so long to G.M to get the Colorado ready for the U.S , as it already been in sale here since late 2013 .
    When it comes to Subaru , 4 vehicles for such a small automobile manufacturer is quite an exploit ! ,
    I am still amazed of how good and reliable they are , when used on our bush trails , they are light and agile , have a good ground clearance .


    And I still have my 2009 Holden (bought in July 2008 ) and its been a great car. Key fob and fog lamp bulb have been it in repairs.
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    Mar 03, 2015 6:13 PM GMT
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    I am still amazed of how good and reliable they are , when used on our bush trails , they are light and agile , have a good ground clearance.

    I remember when Subaru first came to the US in the early 1970s, with a tiny car barely bigger than a Smart. No one even knew how to pronounce the name, and they were a terrible flop, withdrawing from the market.

    Some guy in California (I forget his name and should know it) bought the remaining inventory, and used them for demolition derbies!

    But Subaru analyzed their mistakes, and better studied the US market. When they returned they had a much better product, and they carved a niche for themselves. And now most of us Americans know how to pronounce "Subaru". LOL!
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    Mar 03, 2015 6:17 PM GMT
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    neffa said
    I am still amazed of how good and reliable they are , when used on our bush trails , they are light and agile , have a good ground clearance.

    I remember when Subaru first came to the US in the early 1970s, with a tiny car barely bigger than a Smart. No one even knew how to pronounce the name, and they were a terrible flop, withdrawing from the market.

    Subaru 360 ( 360cc)

    Some guy in California (I forget his name and should know it) bought the remaining inventory, and used them for demolition derbies!

    Edit: I misread or didn't read the rest of what you wrote. I thought you were talking about the guy who got them launched in the U S.

    Malcolm Bricklin

    But Subaru analyzed their mistakes, and better studied the US market. When they returned they had a much better product, and they carved a niche for themselves. And now most of us Americans know how to pronounce "Subaru". LOL!


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    Mar 03, 2015 7:10 PM GMT
    "We don't have any reliability on the Mercedes C-class, and the reliability of the BMW 3-series dropped, so the Buick won."

    That is a crock of sh*t. The fix is in. They're pushing Impala's and Buicks before Hyundai, Beamers and Mercs.

    I'm not a prestige whore, but to even suggest what they're suggesting is absurd whether you're looking at 0-60 or quarter mile times, price points, safety and/or "reliability".....which they dubiously never explain other than to say they "have data."

    CR is off their rocker. I'd like the UK Top Gear guys to test CR's "top picks" against what most car enthusiasts would choose as a REAL top pick.

    I drove a new Impala a month or so ago as a rental car with 2K miles on it, and it was excellent......for an Impala. Seriously, decent handling if a little tight, great acceleration, but if that blows you away then please don't sit behind a real car.

    I feel like the guys just got together and said: let's pick DECENT cars that don't thrive in anything, but don't fail in anything. It's like a list my mom would love. You can also get her to buy a car because she "likes the pretty lights" on the dash. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 03, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI personally knew many/most of the other old timer editors (or raced with a few of them) from Automobile, Car & Driver, Motor Twit and Hot Rod, but knew nothing about the CR guys.

    These guys are real different personality wise from the others, but I find them more credible when watching them. That doesn't mean that I agree with them all of the time, but I can see where they're coming from.

    I'm also pleased to see that they are a bit power hungry like most American males and have an enthusiast side to them.





    David E. Davis was an automotive literature GOD who is sorely missed and grieved.

    I "grew up" reading his prose in the 1960's and 1970's. I was pleased that his automotive tastes mirrored my own.
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    Mar 03, 2015 8:10 PM GMT
    David Davis helped to make BMWs popular over here (by criticizing the car, ironically), so I won't say anything bad about him.




    Disclosure: BMW enthusiast.
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    freedomisntfree saidI personally knew many/most of the other old timer editors (or raced with a few of them) from Automobile, Car & Driver, Motor Twit and Hot Rod, but knew nothing about the CR guys.

    These guys are real different personality wise from the others, but I find them more credible when watching them. That doesn't mean that I agree with them all of the time, but I can see where they're coming from.

    I'm also pleased to see that they are a bit power hungry like most American males and have an enthusiast side to them.





    David E. Davis was an automotive literature GOD who is sorely missed and grieved.

    I "grew up" reading his prose in the 1960's and 1970's. I was pleased that his automotive tastes mirrored my own.


    Yep, that's one that I knew quite well who is no longer with us. Brock Yates is another. I ran one Cannonball with Yates.
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    Svnw688 saidDavid Davis helped to make BMWs popular over here (by criticizing the car, ironically), so I won't say anything bad about him.




    Disclosure: BMW enthusiast.


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    Mar 03, 2015 9:06 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said"We don't have any reliability on the Mercedes C-class, and the reliability of the BMW 3-series dropped, so the Buick won."

    That is a crock of sh*t. The fix is in. They're pushing Impala's and Buicks before Hyundai, Beamers and Mercs.

    I'm not a prestige whore, but to even suggest what they're suggesting is absurd whether you're looking at 0-60 or quarter mile times, price points, safety and/or "reliability".....which they dubiously never explain other than to say they "have data."

    CR is off their rocker. I'd like the UK Top Gear guys to test CR's "top picks" against what most car enthusiasts would choose as a REAL top pick.

    I drove a new Impala a month or so ago as a rental car with 2K miles on it, and it was excellent......for an Impala. Seriously, decent handling if a little tight, great acceleration, but if that blows you away then please don't sit behind a real car.

    I feel like the guys just got together and said: let's pick DECENT cars that don't thrive in anything, but don't fail in anything. It's like a list my mom would love. You can also get her to buy a car because she "likes the pretty lights" on the dash. icon_rolleyes.gif


    "We don't have any reliability on the Mercedes C-class"

    Of course not. It's brand new. And their track record is far from stellar. CR wants a year of stats.

    Same reason they didn't pick the PIMPala last year because it was just released and all new.

    Fleets still get the w-body Impala, called the Impala Classic with few exceptions.

    I didn't used to think much of the CR guys when it comes to cars, but after watching everyone of the segments (Talking Cars) they really aren't bad. Sure they test representative of what sells instead of hard core enthusiast rides as does R&T C&D, and to a much lessor extent, Motor Twit, but the CR guys have a bit of enthusiast at heart. I don't know any of them personally, but I put a little more credence in what they write now that I watch them say it.

    And yeah, I fully agree that the new (the elipson II LWB, not the w-body) is the best of the bunch ... clearly.
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    Mar 03, 2015 9:20 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI find Consumer Reports to be of little value. On more than one occasion I have purchased electronics and kitchen appliances that were rated as their number one choices only to return the items due to unsatisfactory performance.


    If I know nothing about a segment of products, which covers many many areas, such as a new vacuum that I will purchase just before moving day, I will consult them plus consumer feedback on Amazon, Best Buy, etc. That's really all I have to go on so I will.
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    Mar 03, 2015 9:29 PM GMT
    Kev1962 saidYes that is surprising. Did you notice the comments on that site? No one wants to believe it and reliability was brought up. Impala better than an Accura and then the best sports sedan is a Buick? Maybe the fix is in?


    And I don't quite agree with them there mostly because I'm no fan of front wheel drive. For a moderately priced sports sedan, and 'sedan' to me means ... you can carry people and things, I would have picked the SS.

    Hellcat is more just plain old muscle car than sports sedan and frankly dangerous for those who don't know what they're doing and especially with summer compounds on cold pavement. Plus, at $60k plus it's getting expensive, but at a very conservative 707 hp, it's a screaming deal when you look at dollar per hp.

    True the SS is such a niche player so maybe that why it wasn't picked. But it just does everything so very well and is offered with a six speed manual. And 80% of their 2015 orders have been manuals, which is unheard of in 2015.
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    Mar 03, 2015 11:12 PM GMT
    If you had a choice, what red-blooded American would prefer an automatic over a stick? I realize autos are great if you like to drink Starbucks while you drive, or text while you drive, and autos perform on par with manual transmissions, but there's nothing like the connection made in a stick shift.

    There are two things I will never forget: My first time taking off in a prop plane, adjusting the yoke/stick with my hands and applying the rudder with my feet as I left the ground, AND even more so, my first time driving my car on my own 2 days after my 16th birthday, accelerating on to the highway (safely) and for the first time switching gears seamlessly and perfectly. Those are connections I will always want to 'feel'.

    To heck with automatic transmissions. I want to DRIVE not be driven.
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    Svnw688 saidIf you had a choice, what red-blooded American would prefer an automatic over a stick? I realize autos are great if you like to drink Starbucks while you drive, or text while you drive, and autos perform on par with manual transmissions, but there's nothing like the connection made in a stick shift.

    There are two things I will never forget: My first time taking off in a prop plane, adjusting the yoke/stick with my hands and applying the rudder with my feet as I left the ground, AND even more so, my first time driving my car on my own 2 days after my 16th birthday, accelerating on to the highway (safely) and for the first time switching gears seamlessly and perfectly. Those are connections I will always want to 'feel'.

    To heck with automatic transmissions. I want to DRIVE not be driven.


    See, here's the thing, cars are so freaking fast these days that you can seldom use full power (at least not around here) so why not enjoy it a little more at part throttle? A manual tranny allows me to do so.

    As you're probably aware, I have some old cars, including a 61 Ventura, 389-348hp tri power car with you guessed it, a four speed manual. I adore driving that thing as I feel such a connection with it. I can make the three carbs howl like they're trying to suck the hood in or I can make the exhaust pop and fart backing off in a gear. It's just such a thrilling car to drive and much of that is due to a perfectly placed, perfect shifting manual tranny with perfect clutch take up.

    Sadly, it's in my garage in California and I'm stuck here for now, but it made my day to get home from work, grab something to eat and wait until traffic clears to take a drive up PCH or PCH to Santa Barbara on sunny Sundays. We got insane attention in that car which really freaked him out a few times.

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    And of course, part of it is due to my very old age so it's a huge nostalgia rush.

    My Asian BF never understood why that car gave him such a chub within a few blocks. He also didn't understand, when he got his first manual (Mazda 3) why he couldn't start from a dead stop in any gear like I could. He eventually grew to love a manual, but had never driven one prior to buying ... at my behest.

    Made for some very funny youtube videos. And he used to call me for about the first month or so of ownership if someone park closely behind him on a hill. Yep, I had to go get him and get his car out of the parking place.
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    Mar 04, 2015 2:13 AM GMT
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    And he used to call me for about the first month or so of ownership if someone park closely behind him on a hill. Yep, I had to go get him and get his car out of the parking place.

    Do you know there were some manual trans US cars that had a solution for that? Some Ramblers, I think, and others I can't recall, maybe a few Fords?

    They had a ball bearing in the brake line, I forget how it worked, something with gravity when the car was parked uphill, that when you released the clutch the brakes were still engaged, until the clutch engaged. It limited the roll-back problem. But you had to press on the service brakes first to set it, the mechanical parking brake wasn't involved, if I remember correctly.
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    Mar 04, 2015 2:19 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    And he used to call me for about the first month or so of ownership if someone park closely behind him on a hill. Yep, I had to go get him and get his car out of the parking place.

    Do you know there were some manual trans US cars that had a solution for that? Some Ramblers, I think, and others I can't recall, maybe a few Fords?

    Oh yeah, started back in the 50s or I think earlier now that I think about it

    They had a ball bearing in the brake line, I forget how it worked, something with gravity when the car was parked uphill, that when you released the clutch the brakes were still engaged, until the clutch engaged. It limited the roll-back problem. But you had to press on the service brakes first to set it, the n=mechanical parking brake wasn't involved, if I remember correctly.


    Correct. I had forgotten all about that. I just used the handbrake while engaging the clutch if it was a hugely steep hill. And when I parked I just left it in 1st or reverse (reverse was geared steeply) to limit any roll back or roll forward when parked. I tried as best I could not to use the parking brake because it could warp hot drums.
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    Mar 04, 2015 2:39 AM GMT
    I can find references to hill control on a new car, but I can find it in relation to how it worked on an old (analog) car. I'm out of time for now and gotta hit the gym and look later.
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    Mar 04, 2015 6:25 AM GMT
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI find Consumer Reports to be of little value. On more than one occasion I have purchased electronics and kitchen appliances that were rated as their number one choices only to return the items due to unsatisfactory performance.


    If I know nothing about a segment of products, which covers many many areas, such as a new vacuum that I will purchase just before moving day, I will consult them plus consumer feedback on Amazon, Best Buy, etc. That's really all I have to go on so I will.


    I agree. I go by Amazon.com reviews as well as reviews found on Google searches. When I do a Google search I use the "Shopping" option. It's on top along with "Web", "Images", etc. It's a good option to explore.


    Really? Seriously? I'm embarrassed. I've never noticed that before and never used it until right now.