Congrats Young Scientists, You Face The Worst Research Funding In 50 Years

  • metta

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    Mar 04, 2015 7:29 AM GMT
    Congrats Young Scientists, You Face The Worst Research Funding In 50 Years

    “China is filing more patents in biomedicine than the U.S. -- not just as a portion of GDP, but absolutely more patents," Collins said. "And the consequences, I think you can imagine, are going to be significant.”


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/03/francis-colliins-nih-funding_n_6795900.html
  • NeuralShock

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    Mar 04, 2015 1:37 PM GMT
    Yup. What a time for me to be alive -facepalms so hard

    I legitimately want to do research and so this drives me insane.
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    Mar 04, 2015 6:40 PM GMT
    Don't forget Obamacare and the Obama regulation machine which delays or prevents drugs used overseas from reaching the US.

    Why should US drug companies invest in research when the return is non-existent, delayed or unprofitable.
  • conservativej...

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    Mar 04, 2015 9:45 PM GMT
    NeuralShock saidYup. What a time for me to be alive -facepalms so hard

    I legitimately want to do research and so this drives me insane.


    Well ..... take heart. Private Sector R&D has ALWAYS dwarfed publically funded R&D. You will just have to rise to the top of your field and not detour into research with a "social" purpose.

    As an example, we are hiring biomedical engineers, mechanical engineers, molecular biologists, genetic engineers, software engineers -- an their allied skill types, and others in the area of Synthetic Biology. of course that would require you to be vetted and move from the U.S.

    Then there is always the area of computational genomics. You make it through the calculus series including linear algebra?
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    Mar 04, 2015 10:28 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWell Metta8, that is because the Federal government is in $18 TRILLION dollars of debt. What do you think, the money is just gonna keep flowing forever?

    Thank your dear leader President Obama for running up $8 trillion of it.


    Meanwhile, you keep bleeding more money as your GOP wants war war war and more war.
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    southbeach1500 saidWell Metta8, that is because the Federal government is in $18 TRILLION dollars of debt. What do you think, the money is just gonna keep flowing forever?

    Thank your dear leader President Obama for running up $8 trillion of it.


    Yes, those endless wars that Obama started. So hard to breathe fresh air when your head's shoved so far up your ass.
  • NeuralShock

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    Mar 05, 2015 12:56 AM GMT
    conservativejock said
    NeuralShock saidYup. What a time for me to be alive -facepalms so hard

    I legitimately want to do research and so this drives me insane.


    Well ..... take heart. Private Sector R&D has ALWAYS dwarfed publically funded R&D. You will just have to rise to the top of your field and not detour into research with a "social" purpose.

    As an example, we are hiring biomedical engineers, mechanical engineers, molecular biologists, genetic engineers, software engineers -- an their allied skill types, and others in the area of Synthetic Biology. of course that would require you to be vetted and move from the U.S.

    Then there is always the area of computational genomics. You make it through the calculus series including linear algebra?
    Calculus I struggled a bit with but fortunately have no issue applying it icon_biggrin.gif

    And yes those are all requirements for my degree!

    Honestly moving down to the USA doesn't sound bad at all- sounds like an interesting change of pace.
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    Mar 05, 2015 1:01 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 saidWell Metta8, that is because the Federal government is in $18 TRILLION dollars of debt. What do you think, the money is just gonna keep flowing forever?

    Thank your dear leader President Obama for running up $8 trillion of it.


    Meanwhile, you keep bleeding more money as your GOP wants war war war and more war.

    And more tax cuts and less revenue from corporations. Hard to reduce the deficit when we're growing billionaires who underpay taxes, while shrinking the middle class.
  • tennsjock

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    Mar 05, 2015 4:25 AM GMT
    conservativejock said
    Well ..... take heart. Private Sector R&D has ALWAYS dwarfed publically funded R&D. You will just have to rise to the top of your field and not detour into research with a "social" purpose.


    I'm not so sure -- industry isn't very good at investing in basic research that doesn't have immediate payoffs. A lot of transformational technologies got their start with public funding.

    Lasers
    * First paper on stimulated emission of radiation written by Albert Einstein in 1917 working at a publicly funded German institution.
    * First laser (maser, really, but it's the same thing) created by Charles Townes in 1953 at Columbia University with funding from the Pentagon

    GPS
    * First paper on general relativity (Einstein's theory of gravity) published in 1915 by Einstein while working at a publicly funded German institution.
    * Initial research on GPS system, which requires general relativity, funded by the U.S. Department of Defense. Went operational in 1995.
  • Farmboy8

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    Mar 05, 2015 6:32 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWell Metta8, that is because the Federal government is in $18 TRILLION dollars of debt. What do you think, the money is just gonna keep flowing forever?

    Thank your dear leader President Obama for running up $8 trillion of it.


    So I'm slightly confused ......your disdain for President Obama is well documented.....but your comment would indicate you are in favor of the Federal Government subsidizing R&D. I'm guessing NOT, but you have to take any opportunity to shred the President rather than contribute any type of fresh idea or thought.
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    Mar 05, 2015 3:59 PM GMT
    conservativejock said
    NeuralShock saidYup. What a time for me to be alive -facepalms so hard

    I legitimately want to do research and so this drives me insane.


    Well ..... take heart. Private Sector R&D has ALWAYS dwarfed publically funded R&D. You will just have to rise to the top of your field and not detour into research with a "social" purpose.

    As an example, we are hiring biomedical engineers, mechanical engineers, molecular biologists, genetic engineers, software engineers -- an their allied skill types, and others in the area of Synthetic Biology. of course that would require you to be vetted and move from the U.S.

    Then there is always the area of computational genomics. You make it through the calculus series including linear algebra?

    Yes, with flying colors. Where is my job?icon_mad.gif
  • conservativej...

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    Mar 05, 2015 6:08 PM GMT
    NeuralShock said
    conservativejock said
    NeuralShock saidYup. What a time for me to be alive -facepalms so hard

    I legitimately want to do research and so this drives me insane.


    Well ..... take heart. Private Sector R&D has ALWAYS dwarfed publically funded R&D. You will just have to rise to the top of your field and not detour into research with a "social" purpose.

    As an example, we are hiring biomedical engineers, mechanical engineers, molecular biologists, genetic engineers, software engineers -- an their allied skill types, and others in the area of Synthetic Biology. of course that would require you to be vetted and move from the U.S.

    Then there is always the area of computational genomics. You make it through the calculus series including linear algebra?
    Calculus I struggled a bit with but fortunately have no issue applying it icon_biggrin.gif

    And yes those are all requirements for my degree!

    Honestly moving down to the USA doesn't sound bad at all- sounds like an interesting change of pace.


    I had not viewed your profile and noticed you were in Canada. So I assume you were speaking of R&D funding -- primarily public funding -- in Canada. You will not find that funding in the U.S. either. What is amazing is that Google's largest research center is not in the U.S. but in Zurich, Switzerland. Private sector R&D efforts in Europe and Asia are massive in comparison to the U.S. and Canada.

    The world's single largest IPO was not American either. It was not Facebook. It was China based Alibaba.

    Look east or retire early. :-)
  • conservativej...

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    Mar 05, 2015 6:12 PM GMT
    tennsjock said
    conservativejock said
    Well ..... take heart. Private Sector R&D has ALWAYS dwarfed publically funded R&D. You will just have to rise to the top of your field and not detour into research with a "social" purpose.


    I'm not so sure -- industry isn't very good at investing in basic research that doesn't have immediate payoffs. A lot of transformational technologies got their start with public funding.

    Lasers
    * First paper on stimulated emission of radiation written by Albert Einstein in 1917 working at a publicly funded German institution.
    * First laser (maser, really, but it's the same thing) created by Charles Townes in 195 at Columbia University with funding from the Pentagon

    GPS
    * First paper on general relativity (Einstein's theory of gravity) published in 1915 by Einstein while working at a publicly funded German institution.
    * Initial research on GPS system, which requires general relativity, funded by the U.S. Department of Defense. Went operational in 1995.


    I think your view is that of an outside observer. Not even in publicly traded companies is the external view of internal R&D in plain view. Basic research tends not to be targeted because it becomes the life-long playground for academics who never think of a commercial end goal. As such, the hit rate is terribly low, e.g., basic research which leads to a profitable end result.
  • conservativej...

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    Mar 05, 2015 6:17 PM GMT
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    conservativejock said
    NeuralShock saidYup. What a time for me to be alive -facepalms so hard

    I legitimately want to do research and so this drives me insane.


    Well ..... take heart. Private Sector R&D has ALWAYS dwarfed publically funded R&D. You will just have to rise to the top of your field and not detour into research with a "social" purpose.

    As an example, we are hiring biomedical engineers, mechanical engineers, molecular biologists, genetic engineers, software engineers -- an their allied skill types, and others in the area of Synthetic Biology. of course that would require you to be vetted and move from the U.S.

    Then there is always the area of computational genomics. You make it through the calculus series including linear algebra?

    Yes, with flying colors. Where is my job?icon_mad.gif


    That job often requires us to transform to a form which we are not. :-)
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    Mar 05, 2015 6:43 PM GMT
    There's a LOT of federal fat that could be cut and used to fund R&D, IF that's a legitimate function of the federal government. Where's the "Ev & Jerry Show" when we need it?
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 05, 2015 11:31 PM GMT
    @ConservativeJock

    "We are hiring..."

    So, you're not hiring and/or you're not even associated with private company engaged in R&D? It's rude to FALSIFY and wholly create a job prospect where none exists, or to coyly dangle a job prospect you HAD NO INTENTION of making available to those interested who claim to be reasonably qualified.

    Bush League behavior.
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    Svnw688 said@ConservativeJock

    "We are hiring..."

    So, you're not hiring and/or you're not even associated with private company engaged in R&D? It's rude to FALSIFY and wholly create a job prospect where none exists, or to coyly dangle a job prospect you HAD NO INTENTION of making available to those interested who claim to be reasonably qualified.

    Bush League behavior.


    C'mon, man; get hip! The term du jour is JayVee.
  • highforthis

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    Mar 06, 2015 3:33 AM GMT
    This is the pessimistic world of Interstellar coming to life, where science is considered frivolous, and takes a backseat to All-American jerbs like farming and building GM cars
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    Mar 07, 2015 11:06 AM GMT
    Not only USA, Australia is much the same.