4 transgender youths have died in 3 months

  • venue35

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    Mar 07, 2015 1:35 PM GMT
    Ash Haffner 16 killed himself in North Carolina two days ago after years of bullying. This is the 4th transgender person to commit suicide in 3 months. So sadicon_cry.gif
    Bullying needs to be taken very seriously unfortunately it's not...
    If transgender people are such victims of bullying maybe they should be put in a specific school or class to avoid all the hate.
    I know that's not the best solution but look at what's happening.icon_cry.gif
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    Mar 07, 2015 1:55 PM GMT
    venue35 saidAsh Haffner 16 killed himself in North Carolina two days ago after years of bullying. This is the 4th transgender person to commit suicide in 3 months. So sadicon_cry.gif
    Bullying needs to be taken very seriously unfortunately it's not...
    If transgender people are such victims of bullying maybe they should be put in a specific school or class to avoid all the hate.
    I know that's not the best solution but look at what's happening.icon_cry.gif


    There are some schools out there that do serve only LGBT youth or primarily LGBT youth. (I'm unaware of any that are only for trans students.) I don't think that this is the best solution, though. It's important that trans people learn how to cope with the world as it is and to be able to work to make it a more tolerant place. It's also important for non-trans people to know and interact with the trans community. One of the biggest, if not the biggest reason, why the gay community is so much more accepted in society than it was just a few short years ago is that gay people came out, including in schools. When straight people actually know that their friends, classmates, and relatives are gay, they are way more likely to be accepting and to support civil rights for all.

    I'm glad that you brought up trans issues. I want to say that I am an ally of the trans community, I value my trans friends, and I hope more gay man show their support for trans people.
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    Mar 07, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
    Kids like this had problems deeper than bullying though. Lots of kids get bullied (even straight kids) and don't resort to suicide, I'd even say most kids that experience bullying don't kill themselves as a result. Bullying has gone on in schools since before all of us were even born, yet teen suicide is a fairly recent "trend", and it's quite possible that the attention it gets in media is playing a part in inspiring more situations like this one. There's a movie called Disconnect where a straight kid experiences cyberbullying and attempts suicide, but the movie also shows how he was pretty unhappy beforehand. His dad was too busy for him, sister ignored him, didn't have many friends, etc. Not to say the bullying had no effect, but I think declaring the bullying as a sole cause is dishonest, especially when it's an LGBT kid because then it's usually manipulated into an LGBT argument rather than being about a young person that has just died.
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    Mar 07, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
    It is indeed tragic. icon_cry.gif
  • Kovyn

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    Mar 07, 2015 8:28 PM GMT
    Thousands of people are dying in the middle east every month. But hey let's talk about 4 queers who killed themselves. Great priorities bro.
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    Mar 07, 2015 8:39 PM GMT
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    Kovyn saidThousands of people are dying in the middle east every month. But hey let's talk about 4 queers who killed themselves. Great priorities bro.


    Violence in the Middle East gets non-stop media attention. It's okay to consider multiple issues.
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    Mar 07, 2015 8:49 PM GMT
    Kovyn saidThousands of people are dying in the middle east every month. But hey let's talk about 4 queers who killed themselves. Great priorities bro.


    Are you saying that bulling should be ignored because there are other problems? Do you really think that we are unable to deal with more than one problem at a time?
  • FRE0

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    Mar 07, 2015 8:52 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidKids like this had problems deeper than bullying though. Lots of kids get bullied (even straight kids) and don't resort to suicide, I'd even say most kids that experience bullying don't kill themselves as a result. Bullying has gone on in schools since before all of us were even born, yet teen suicide is a fairly recent "trend", and it's quite possible that the attention it gets in media is playing a part in inspiring more situations like this one. There's a movie called Disconnect where a straight kid experiences cyberbullying and attempts suicide, but the movie also shows how he was pretty unhappy beforehand. His dad was too busy for him, sister ignored him, didn't have many friends, etc. Not to say the bullying had no effect, but I think declaring the bullying as a sole cause is dishonest, especially when it's an LGBT kid because then it's usually manipulated into an LGBT argument rather than being about a young person that has just died.


    I agree with you, but obviously bullying is a contributing factor. Moreover, bullying can have life-long negative effects. So, even though the suicides mentioned are not solely the result of bullying, we should do what we can to eliminate bullying.
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    Mar 07, 2015 9:04 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidKids like this had problems deeper than bullying though. Lots of kids get bullied (even straight kids) and don't resort to suicide, I'd even say most kids that experience bullying don't kill themselves as a result. Bullying has gone on in schools since before all of us were even born, yet teen suicide is a fairly recent "trend", and it's quite possible that the attention it gets in media is playing a part in inspiring more situations like this one. There's a movie called Disconnect where a straight kid experiences cyberbullying and attempts suicide, but the movie also shows how he was pretty unhappy beforehand. His dad was too busy for him, sister ignored him, didn't have many friends, etc. Not to say the bullying had no effect, but I think declaring the bullying as a sole cause is dishonest, especially when it's an LGBT kid because then it's usually manipulated into an LGBT argument rather than being about a young person that has just died.


    No one has ever said it was the SOLE reason. Bullying isn't new. In the "Leave it to Beaver" days it was isolated and could be dealt with. Now with social media and the internet it's also cyber bullying and VERY hard to get away from.

    Today kids live on, and for, their computers and phones. Suicides of 15-24 has more than doubled since 1950. If anybody thinks the "good old days" was the 50's look at the suicide rate of 45+. That is half today....still way too high.

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    Mar 07, 2015 9:09 PM GMT
    It is hard to evaluate those statistics. It could be that accuracy in reporting suicides has improved.
  • venue35

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    Mar 07, 2015 10:02 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidKids like this had problems deeper than bullying though. Lots of kids get bullied (even straight kids) and don't resort to suicide, I'd even say most kids that experience bullying don't kill themselves as a result. Bullying has gone on in schools since before all of us were even born, yet teen suicide is a fairly recent "trend", and it's quite possible that the attention it gets in media is playing a part in inspiring more situations like this one. There's a movie called Disconnect where a straight kid experiences cyberbullying and attempts suicide, but the movie also shows how he was pretty unhappy beforehand. His dad was too busy for him, sister ignored him, didn't have many friends, etc. Not to say the bullying had no effect, but I think declaring the bullying as a sole cause is dishonest, especially when it's an LGBT kid because then it's usually manipulated into an LGBT argument rather than being about a young person that has just died.
    A teenage girl killed herself last year when her exfriend's mother posing as her daughter kept taunting her daily on Facebook.
    She wasn't gay bye.
  • venue35

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    Mar 07, 2015 10:05 PM GMT
    Kovyn saidThousands of people are dying in the middle east every month. But hey let's talk about 4 queers who killed themselves. Great priorities bro.
    Thanks for shining your light here on this thread.icon_neutral.gif
  • venue35

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    Mar 07, 2015 10:08 PM GMT
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    venue35 saidAsh Haffner 16 killed himself in North Carolina two days ago after years of bullying. This is the 4th transgender person to commit suicide in 3 months. So sadicon_cry.gif
    Bullying needs to be taken very seriously unfortunately it's not...
    If transgender people are such victims of bullying maybe they should be put in a specific school or class to avoid all the hate.
    I know that's not the best solution but look at what's happening.icon_cry.gif


    There are some schools out there that do serve only LGBT youth or primarily LGBT youth. (I'm unaware of any that are only for trans students.) I don't think that this is the best solution, though. It's important that trans people learn how to cope with the world as it is and to be able to work to make it a more tolerant place. It's also important for non-trans people to know and interact with the trans community. One of the biggest, if not the biggest reason, why the gay community is so much more accepted in society than it was just a few short years ago is that gay people came out, including in schools. When straight people actually know that their friends, classmates, and relatives are gay, they are way more likely to be accepting and to support civil rights for all.

    I'm glad that you brought up trans issues. I want to say that I am an ally of the trans community, I value my trans friends, and I hope more gay man show their support for trans people.
    ragazzo you are one of the nicest new members RJ has seen in a long time.
    of course I care about trans people they are people just like anybody else.
    Gender confusion is a HUGE psychological issue for a teen to deal with and they need to be left alone and supported.
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    Mar 07, 2015 10:11 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidKids like this had problems deeper than bullying though. Lots of kids get bullied (even straight kids) and don't resort to suicide, I'd even say most kids that experience bullying don't kill themselves as a result. Bullying has gone on in schools since before all of us were even born, yet teen suicide is a fairly recent "trend", and it's quite possible that the attention it gets in media is playing a part in inspiring more situations like this one. There's a movie called Disconnect where a straight kid experiences cyberbullying and attempts suicide, but the movie also shows how he was pretty unhappy beforehand. His dad was too busy for him, sister ignored him, didn't have many friends, etc. Not to say the bullying had no effect, but I think declaring the bullying as a sole cause is dishonest, especially when it's an LGBT kid because then it's usually manipulated into an LGBT argument rather than being about a young person that has just died.


    Teenage suicide is NOT a recent trend, and not all "bullying" is the same, so your entire post is a crock of sh*t. Read a peer reviewed journal, it won't hurt you. You sound like the tards saying "gay" is a recent trend and that gay didn't exist until LGBT equality started. Umm, no, it's just a national story now. Gay existed all along. So have suicides.
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    Mar 07, 2015 10:18 PM GMT
    Svnw688 said
    CODY4U saidKids like this had problems deeper than bullying though. Lots of kids get bullied (even straight kids) and don't resort to suicide, I'd even say most kids that experience bullying don't kill themselves as a result. Bullying has gone on in schools since before all of us were even born, yet teen suicide is a fairly recent "trend", and it's quite possible that the attention it gets in media is playing a part in inspiring more situations like this one. There's a movie called Disconnect where a straight kid experiences cyberbullying and attempts suicide, but the movie also shows how he was pretty unhappy beforehand. His dad was too busy for him, sister ignored him, didn't have many friends, etc. Not to say the bullying had no effect, but I think declaring the bullying as a sole cause is dishonest, especially when it's an LGBT kid because then it's usually manipulated into an LGBT argument rather than being about a young person that has just died.


    Teenage suicide is NOT a recent trend, and not all "bullying" is the same, so your entire post is a crock of sh*t. Read a peer reviewed journal, it won't hurt you. You sound like the tards saying "gay" is a recent trend and that gay didn't exist until LGBT equality started. Umm, no, it's just a national story now. Gay existed all along. So have suicides.

    Thanks but I think you are wasting your time...
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  • venue35

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    Mar 07, 2015 10:19 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    CODY4U saidKids like this had problems deeper than bullying though. Lots of kids get bullied (even straight kids) and don't resort to suicide, I'd even say most kids that experience bullying don't kill themselves as a result. Bullying has gone on in schools since before all of us were even born, yet teen suicide is a fairly recent "trend", and it's quite possible that the attention it gets in media is playing a part in inspiring more situations like this one. There's a movie called Disconnect where a straight kid experiences cyberbullying and attempts suicide, but the movie also shows how he was pretty unhappy beforehand. His dad was too busy for him, sister ignored him, didn't have many friends, etc. Not to say the bullying had no effect, but I think declaring the bullying as a sole cause is dishonest, especially when it's an LGBT kid because then it's usually manipulated into an LGBT argument rather than being about a young person that has just died.


    I agree with you, but obviously bullying is a contributing factor. Moreover, bullying can have life-long negative effects. So, even though the suicides mentioned are not solely the result of bullying, we should do what we can to eliminate bullying.

    Thumbs up to that!
  • venue35

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    Mar 07, 2015 10:21 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidKids like this had problems deeper than bullying though. Lots of kids get bullied (even straight kids) and don't resort to suicide, I'd even say most kids that experience bullying don't kill themselves as a result. Bullying has gone on in schools since before all of us were even born, yet teen suicide is a fairly recent "trend", and it's quite possible that the attention it gets in media is playing a part in inspiring more situations like this one. There's a movie called Disconnect where a straight kid experiences cyberbullying and attempts suicide, but the movie also shows how he was pretty unhappy beforehand. His dad was too busy for him, sister ignored him, didn't have many friends, etc. Not to say the bullying had no effect, but I think declaring the bullying as a sole cause is dishonest, especially when it's an LGBT kid because then it's usually manipulated into an LGBT argument rather than being about a young person that has just died.
    How horrible..
    It's like saying if someone isn't strong enough and can't handle a bullying situtation..then too bad!
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    FRE0 saidI agree with you, but obviously bullying is a contributing factor. Moreover, bullying can have life-long negative effects. So, even though the suicides mentioned are not solely the result of bullying, we should do what we can to eliminate bullying.


    Right, but it'd also help to equip kids to handle aversion more reasonably. People are gonna be assholes, and that doesn't magically stop in adulthood.


    timmm55 saidToday kids live on, and for, their computers and phones.


    An obvious lack of parental guidance. Another contributing factor that's probably way more immediately to blame.


    Svnw688 saidTeenage suicide is NOT a recent trend, and not all "bullying" is the same, so your entire post is a crock of sh*t. Read a peer reviewed journal, it won't hurt you. You sound like the tards saying "gay" is a recent trend and that gay didn't exist until LGBT equality started. Umm, no, it's just a national story now. Gay existed all along. So have suicides.


    I simply cannot take a grown man who censors his expletives seriously. We are not tween Disney stars! If you're gonna swear, don't you think you're grown enough to type out the full word? But at least you managed to confine this particular tirade to less than seven paragraphs and without some dumb GIF at the end, so I guess you're getting better.

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    Mar 08, 2015 12:17 AM GMT
    @Cody4u

    You're a FAKE, unverified, sock/troll profile. I'm not going to have a back-and-forth with a blatantly sock/troll account.

    Your profile is so fake it belongs back in 1996 AOL chatrooms to be believed by anyone.

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    Kovyn saidThousands of people are dying in the middle east every month. But hey let's talk about 4 queers who killed themselves. Great priorities bro.


    Says the fakest bro I've ever seen. The loudest haters have the most to hide DUDE. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 08, 2015 4:09 AM GMT
    @Svnw688: YOU started the conversation! It's dumb queens like you that truly make me reconsider how I feel about LGBT suicides. Maybe there's an upside afterall! icon_idea.gif

  • Kovyn

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    Mar 08, 2015 5:04 AM GMT
    FRE0 said
    Kovyn saidThousands of people are dying in the middle east every month. But hey let's talk about 4 queers who killed themselves. Great priorities bro.


    Are you saying that bulling should be ignored because there are other problems? Do you really think that we are unable to deal with more than one problem at a time?

    I'm saying that many people die every day. Did you know that over 50 people got killed in a suicide bombing today? Where's the thread for that? Why do 4 queers get their own thread? Just because they're transgendered? That disgusts me.

    As for bullying, people need to stop basking in sympathy and start dealing with the problem by standing up to their bullies.

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    Kovyn saidThousands of people are dying in the middle east every month. But hey let's talk about 4 queers who killed themselves. Great priorities bro.


    Says the fakest bro I've ever seen. The loudest haters have the most to hide DUDE. icon_rolleyes.gif


    You're ugly, you don't get to talk to me.
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    Mar 08, 2015 5:11 AM GMT
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    Kids like this had problems deeper than bullying though. Lots of kids get bullied (even straight kids) and don't resort to suicide, I'd even say most kids that experience bullying don't kill themselves as a result. Bullying has gone on in schools since before all of us were even born, yet teen suicide is a fairly recent "trend", and it's quite possible that the attention it gets in media is playing a part in inspiring more situations like this one. There's a movie called Disconnect where a straight kid experiences cyberbullying and attempts suicide, but the movie also shows how he was pretty unhappy beforehand. His dad was too busy for him, sister ignored him, didn't have many friends, etc. Not to say the bullying had no effect, but I think declaring the bullying as a sole cause is dishonest, especially when it's an LGBT kid because then it's usually manipulated into an LGBT argument rather than being about a young person that has just died.

    People don't understand that words don't kill you outwards but within because there is actually a lot of power in words.
    Words may not hurt physically but the internal wounds last longer than any cut you can get from a knife.

    Just because bullying has been around doesn't mean that it's okay nor should it just be so easily accepted as part of life. That's just as ludicrous as saying women shouldn't have fought for their rights or black people fighting from slavery. It's just bullying and is a part of life, if they aren't strong enough to handle it then tough luck.
    Does that sound better for you?
    Bullying only became a 'standard' part of life because too many people just tolerate it so easily.

    Even if someone wasn't as 'mentally strong' as someone else, does that make their life less valuable or significant or makes their suicide less of an issue because they were "weak"?
    Should the same be said for those who are physically disabled too?
    Why are you placing blame on the strength of the person as opposed to those who were actually bullying and attacking?

    The point is WHY should someone be bullied just because they want to express themselves differently or for just BEING different?
    Why does it bother you that this suicide may have become an LGBT argument?
    Even with your example of that movie, just because his life was unhappy before cyberbullying, how does it diminish the contributions that bullying actually did to him to decide on attempting suicide?
    If someone is being bullied for identifying as LGBT then why shouldn't it spark an LGBT argument?

    You've inadvertently said that LGBT related suicides isn't as valid of a reason enough for you to acknowledge the severity of that suicide.
    WAKE UP!!!
    Do you need a 'valid' reason to acknowledge and care that suicides are happening?
    If you're trying to look at the person's life wholistically then yes there can be more to it than just LGBT related reasons, but those other reasons don't make LGBT related suicides any less important.
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    Kids like this had problems deeper than bullying though. Lots of kids get bullied (even straight kids) and don't resort to suicide, I'd even say most kids that experience bullying don't kill themselves as a result. Bullying has gone on in schools since before all of us were even born, yet teen suicide is a fairly recent "trend", and it's quite possible that the attention it gets in media is playing a part in inspiring more situations like this one. There's a movie called Disconnect where a straight kid experiences cyberbullying and attempts suicide, but the movie also shows how he was pretty unhappy beforehand. His dad was too busy for him, sister ignored him, didn't have many friends, etc. Not to say the bullying had no effect, but I think declaring the bullying as a sole cause is dishonest, especially when it's an LGBT kid because then it's usually manipulated into an LGBT argument rather than being about a young person that has just died.

    People don't understand that words don't kill you outwards but within because there is actually a lot of power in words.
    Words may not hurt physically but the internal wounds last longer than any cut you can get from a knife.

    Just because bullying has been around doesn't mean that it's okay nor should it just be so easily accepted as part of life. That's just as ludicrous as saying women shouldn't have fought for their rights or black people fighting from slavery. It's just bullying and is a part of life, if they aren't strong enough to handle it then tough luck.
    Does that sound better for you?
    Bullying only became a 'standard' part of life because too many people just tolerate it so easily.

    Even if someone wasn't as 'mentally strong' as someone else, does that make their life less valuable or significant or makes their suicide less of an issue because they were "weak"?
    Should the same be said for those who are physically disabled too?
    Why are you placing blame on the strength of the person as opposed to those who were actually bullying and attacking?

    The point is WHY should someone be bullied just because they want to express themselves differently or for just BEING different?
    Why does it bother you that this suicide may have become an LGBT argument?
    Even with your example of that movie, just because his life was unhappy before cyberbullying, how does it diminish the contributions that bullying actually did to him to decide on attempting suicide?
    If someone is being bullied for identifying as LGBT then why shouldn't it spark an LGBT argument?

    You've inadvertently said that LGBT related suicides isn't as valid of a reason enough for you to acknowledge the severity of that suicide.
    WAKE UP!!!
    Do you need a 'valid' reason to acknowledge and care that suicides are happening?
    If you're trying to look at the person's life wholistically then yes there can be more to it than just LGBT related reasons, but those other reasons don't make LGBT related suicides any less important.


    I disagree with all of this. You just wasted a lot of time! icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 08, 2015 5:51 AM GMT
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    I disagree with all of this. You just wasted a lot of time! icon_lol.gif


    That's fine you can think you're funny and disagree without any ounce of thought.
    Just know that because you disagree doesn't make what was said wrong but mostly understand that a foolish person is one that CHOOSES to be ignorant.
    It's not even that you don't have the capacity to understand it's more that you just don't want to.
    You can think it's funny and do another smart assed one line response with an emoticon but all it actually does is highlight the bitterness that is you.