Being uptight over "porn"

  • wesv

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    Mar 09, 2015 7:46 PM GMT
    How do you feel about people who think everything is porn and hence bad? I have encountered people my age group (20s) who would look at work from Michelangelo and say "ew that's porn." Actually, ew, it's art. It gets so annoying when people make a big deal over being "naked" [with a childish voice].
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    Mar 09, 2015 8:13 PM GMT
    wesv saidHow do you feel about people who think everything is porn and hence bad? I have encountered people my age group (20s) who would look at work from Michelangelo and say "ew that's porn." Actually, ew, it's art. It gets so annoying when people make a big deal over being "naked" [with a childish voice].



    It would appear that the US in general has shifted its ideology when it comes to nudity, specifically modesty. Countless number of RJ stories on how, pre 1980 conservative movement, nudity, especially male, was OK, not a problem. Stories from boys requirement swimming naked, gang style open public showers, walking nude in a men's locker room, high school shower after PE requirement, college level naked events, many state wide nude beaches, including parents with their naked kids.

    The question remains though, is it the fault of gay men and lesbians, more of us, more of us coming out or is it the fault of conservative straight people, their paranoia, fear or homophobia? Liberals appreciate nudity as art, conservatives don't.

    Parts of Europe have never had a problem with adult nudity, men or women, nothing has changed over the years here. Why did America become so uptight? I still blame the 1980, start of the conservative movement, that has corrupted todays young minds about nudity, conservatives created this modesty and liberals continue to fight it. So yes, I think feelings about nudity is split right down the political fronts, which is unfortunate for the future of our country.
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    Mar 09, 2015 8:52 PM GMT
    I don't think it's simply the rise of conservatism. It's more complicated than that.
    First, there is a difference between images that are meant to elicit a sexual response and then there is real human nudity. The former is porn, it is fantasy and manipulated and airbrushed and always sexual. The latter is real life and messier and sometimes sexual but often not. The culture has gotten more sexualized over the last few decades. Sex is used to sell everything and porn is everywhere. So in reaction Some people have conflated all nudity with sex. Which is unfortunate.
    The over saturation of our media with porn cheapens real sex. And creates a backlash.
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    Mar 10, 2015 1:22 AM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidI don't think it's simply the rise of conservatism. It's more complicated than that.
    First, there is a difference between images that are meant to elicit a sexual response and then there is real human nudity. The former is porn, it is fantasy and manipulated and airbrushed and always sexual. The latter is real life and messier and sometimes sexual but often not. The culture has gotten more sexualized over the last few decades. Sex is used to sell everything and porn is everywhere. So in reaction Some people have conflated all nudity with sex. Which is unfortunate.
    The over saturation of our media with porn cheapens real sex. And creates a backlash.


    I grew up in those so called " Conservative " fifties and sixties and it was quite the opposite of the straight jacket liberalism of today. Imagine having a gun at 12 and working heavy machinery at that age as well. No one would have imagined that smoking would or could be banned. You could play slot machines at a gas station. Life guards at a beach ? Seat belts to drive a car? You have got to be kidding! You could buy condoms in any restaurant or gas station men's room. You could buy beer and wine at 18. Whats a DUI? Swimming naked in the lake or river in the summer of course. You were allowed to walk on grass and climb trees. Actual freedom has been traded for theoretical freedom.

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    Mar 10, 2015 1:56 AM GMT
    Cue complaints from old men about the decline of free peep shows in locker rooms... oops too late.
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    Mar 10, 2015 2:23 AM GMT
    hentailover saidCue complaints from old men about the decline of free peep shows in locker rooms... oops too late.

    What a disgusting twit you are. Go bed down with cockroaches. You're on their level.
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    Mar 10, 2015 2:28 AM GMT
    wesv saidHow do you feel about people who think everything is porn and hence bad? I have encountered people my age group (20s) who would look at work from Michelangelo and say "ew that's porn." Actually, ew, it's art. It gets so annoying when people make a big deal over being "naked" [with a childish voice].
    Hell I've owned a porn site. It's no big deal, but it's hard work. That's why I gave it up and stayed with flying planes for a living. Plus flying is funner than editing boring video day in and day out.
  • Apparition

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    Mar 10, 2015 3:16 AM GMT
    in the other decades mentioned, the kid grew up with a dad, and dad, ran around naked because men did that. NOW kids grow up WITHOUT dad, and more importantly WITH MOM, and ALL WOMEN hate their bodies, and pass this to their kids. So the little boy is brainwashed into nudity is bad, strangers bad, etc THAT is what had changed.
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    Mar 10, 2015 3:32 AM GMT
    Apparition saidin the other decades mentioned, the kid grew up with a dad, and dad, ran around naked because men did that. NOW kids grow up WITHOUT dad, and more importantly WITH MOM, and ALL WOMEN hate their bodies, and pass this to their kids. So the little boy is brainwashed into nudity is bad, strangers bad, etc THAT is what had changed.


    It has nothing to do with conservatives, that's a joke. More likely it is that we are drenched with sex in the media and so our young folks think being naked is only about sex. (Hence the clueless comment above. Weird to see the lockerroom as a peep show). I don't care if they want to shower in shorts AND underwear, lol, but don't impose that shit on me. A guy at my gym was in FL and went to a gym. He showered and went in the sauna and 5 mins later the manager came in and said he was "indecent" and had to either put on shorts, or leave. Someone had reported that he was nude in the shower! Later he heard some Muslim men had joined the gym and were constantly complaining about this until the owner gave in and made the rule of no nudity in the locker room! Modesty Nazis we have now!
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    Mar 10, 2015 3:36 AM GMT
    When porn starts to promote the objectification of the human body, where women are commonly being used for the gratification for men who have may have difficulty emotionally connecting and being intimate with women in the first place, hence the attraction to detached sexual release which porn is instead of real human contact, I think if someone wants to dislike porn they have good reason. Similar things happen in Gay porn as well, and If you like porn that's fine I have no problem, but if you have something negative to say about someone else because they see the dangerous risks about porn: you're just ignorant.

    Also if I am wrong, please RJ community, tell me about how hot you think it would be to watch your son, daughter, mother or any other family member or friend fucked on camera for millions to see where they can ridicule, masturbate and use for whatever desire they want with zero choice from the person on film once they sign their deal.

    naively debating that porn is this perfect "artistic" production is cherry picking from the whole of the industry. Yeah duh, sex is a beautiful process, but that definitely doesn't mean it's treated that way through deranged and unaligned motives of modern humans especially when power is the main motive behind the sex.
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    Mar 10, 2015 5:17 AM GMT
    get naked!

    I am walking porn I guess....

    When I go to the store.....it flops! LOL
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    Mar 10, 2015 5:46 AM GMT
    strongbull said
    Apparition saidin the other decades mentioned, the kid grew up with a dad, and dad, ran around naked because men did that. NOW kids grow up WITHOUT dad, and more importantly WITH MOM, and ALL WOMEN hate their bodies, and pass this to their kids. So the little boy is brainwashed into nudity is bad, strangers bad, etc THAT is what had changed.


    It has nothing to do with conservatives, that's a joke. More likely it is that we are drenched with sex in the media and so our young folks think being naked is only about sex. (Hence the clueless comment above. Weird to see the lockerroom as a peep show). I don't care if they want to shower in shorts AND underwear, lol, but don't impose that shit on me. A guy at my gym was in FL and went to a gym. He showered and went in the sauna and 5 mins later the manager came in and said he was "indecent" and had to either put on shorts, or leave. Someone had reported that he was nude in the shower! Later he heard some Muslim men had joined the gym and were constantly complaining about this until the owner gave in and made the rule of no nudity in the locker room! Modesty Nazis we have now!



    It has much to do with conservatism and its not a joke, no nudity in the men's locker room because of conservative Muslims? Now that's a joke, this is the USA, not middle east icon_mad.gif

    How the Modesty Doctrine Hurts Men, Too
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2012/02/how-the-modesty-doctrine-hurts-men-too/

    Christian boys feel like sitting ducks for abuse from their peers, who assume that they are gay because they avoid participating in the rituals of adolescent sexuality (like flipping through smutty magazines and checking out the cheerleaders). Since conservative evangelical groups consider being gay an even worse sin than having the hots for a girl, these boys are trapped between a rock and a hard place. They are terrified that gay boys will be attracted to them, and terrified to be attracted to girls.

    Finally, the modesty doctrine erases gay and lesbian people entirely. The idea of being gay is just a terrifying specter for straight boys in this culture; actually being gay is frightening to admit, even to themselves. There is literally no code of behavior for them other than to “repent” of their “sin.” I’m not sure which one is worse: being told that you’re an abomination or being told that you don’t exist. In either case, gay boys are receiving signals that they aren’t men, because “real” men need to wrestle with their attraction to women and suppress it constantly. “Every Man’s Battle” is the revealing name of an evangelical anti-pornography initiative. For gay men, there is an entirely different war going on. Theirs is a lonelier battle.


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    Mar 10, 2015 5:56 AM GMT
    2bnaked saidget naked!

    I am walking porn I guess....

    When I go to the store.....it flops! LOL



    pure crap, much like their bogus gay conversion therapy icon_rolleyes.gif

    Dr. Stephen Arterburn - Every Man's Battle - Pornography from Pure Passion on Vimeo.



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    Mar 10, 2015 6:06 AM GMT
    Well, the right- wing insanity movement has something to do with it. Preachers set themselves up as the ultimate pimps. Naturally, they are opposed to any sex that is not under their control. They don't get any power or money from it.

    Preachers keep all the feeble- minded c^nts under their thumbs and all the young tard studs better hew to the line, kill all outsiders and breed what they're told to breed or they won't ever get to dip their wick! If kids could get that on their own, all would be chaos! I.e. preachers would have to get real jobs.
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    Mar 10, 2015 6:14 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidWell, the right- wing insanity movement has something to do with it. Preachers set themselves up as the ultimate pimps. Naturally, they are opposed to any sex that is not under their control. They don't get any power or money from it.

    Preachers keep all the feeble- minded c^nts under their thumbs and all the young tard studs better hew to the line, kill all outsiders and breed what they're told to breed or they won't ever get to dip their wick! If kids could get that on their own, all would be chaos! I.e. preachers would have to get real jobs.



    well, that is the whole problem with conservatives, sex control of the masses, im sure anti porn falls into their plan of attack icon_rolleyes.gif

  • 5100s

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    Mar 10, 2015 12:16 PM GMT
    I'm not an anti-porn fanatic by any means, but there's probably a sad truth behind it.

    With respect to female prostitutes, an extremely high percentage were victims of child sexual abuse. My understanding is that a significant percentage of the actors involved in gay porn are also involved in sex for sale, and I suspect a high percentage of them as well may have been victims of child sexual abuse.

    That being said, there's always been a market for pornography since ancient days so the production of it will never end, and I respect the choice of individuals regarding what they do with their bodies. I don't condemn in any way men involved in the pornography business or, for that matter, the sex for sale business.
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    Mar 10, 2015 1:31 PM GMT
    hentailover saidCue complaints from old men about the decline of free peep shows in locker rooms... oops too late.


    +1

    If you check AOM, that's the main complaint. People just want to cover up. icon_neutral.gif
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    Mar 10, 2015 1:54 PM GMT
    The OP's point is that some people think any depicted nudity is porn, including a Michelangelo. I would just explain to the idiots that one can appreciate the beauty of the human body or of a great painting without it being porn. Porn is designed specifically to show erotic acts and/or to elicit erotic arousal, this is its intention. I don't think Michelangelo had that in mind.
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    Mar 10, 2015 3:21 PM GMT
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    hentailover saidCue complaints from old men about the decline of free peep shows in locker rooms... oops too late.

    What a disgusting twit you are. Go bed down with cockroaches. You're on their level.


    I find that some of the same guys who "claim" modesty in the locker room, are usually the guys who have 100s of naked selfies and videos on their phones and on the internet. I guess they feel as long as the nudity is online and not in real life, it doesn't count.

    It's a men's locker room, everyone in there has the same equipment as you. No one cares.
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    Mar 10, 2015 3:25 PM GMT
    Junny said
    hentailover saidCue complaints from old men about the decline of free peep shows in locker rooms... oops too late.


    +1

    If you check AOM, that's the main complaint. People just want to cover up. icon_neutral.gif


    Lol so true. It only stings for ppl like destinharbor cuz it's true icon_lol.gif
  • BlackRussian1...

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    Mar 10, 2015 6:19 PM GMT
    Well in the US we have a fear of sex and a def schizophrenia when it comes to nudity. What other country blurs nipples and is terrified of a dick (but obsessed with it too, hence the disavowal into symbols like guns)? Of course the human body is beautiful, natural, and can be sexy but isn't necessarily. I just laugh and shake my head at the way men behave in the US in the locker room (compared to Europe) and think, "my god your dad/granddad would be horrified by your modesty."
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    Mar 10, 2015 6:29 PM GMT
    Bottom line (heheh) is that a "real" man doesn't give a rat's ass if somebody sees him naked. If you're secure in your perception of yourself and who you are then you're unlikely to care if somebody sees your naked butt. The problem is that so many guys now are so overly concerned about how they are perceived or feel threatened when they finally experience what a woman does when she is catcalled by sleazy guys, that it's ridiculous.

    I actually get into arguments with my family about my attempts to "lose weight" because they think I'm anorexic or something when in fact I'm only just trying to get rid of the fat roll on my belly cuz it pinches and binds when i sit in my Mazda's sport seats and the belt cuts across it uncomfortably. I'm so glad not to have major image issues (of course I like to be aesthetically pleasing but I don't let that rule my life) but it makes relating to others somewhat difficult since I'm very comfortable discussing many topics that others find awkward or "delicate" territory.
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    Mar 10, 2015 7:11 PM GMT
    Nivek saidThe OP's point is that some people think any depicted nudity is porn, including a Michelangelo. I would just explain to the idiots that one can appreciate the beauty of the human body or of a great painting without it being porn. Porn is designed specifically to show erotic acts and/or to elicit erotic arousal, this is its intention. I don't think Michelangelo had that in mind.



    What the uneducated, or undereducated don't know about art, its mind boggling icon_rolleyes.gif









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    Mar 11, 2015 3:02 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]ELNathB said[/cite]
    Nivek saidThe OP's point is that some people think any depicted nudity is porn, including a Michelangelo. I would just explain to the idiots that one can appreciate the beauty of the human body or of a great painting without it being porn. Porn is designed specifically to show erotic acts and/or to elicit erotic arousal, this is its intention. I don't think Michelangelo had that in mind.



    What the uneducated, or undereducated don't know about art, its mind boggling icon_rolleyes.gif



    So true, you have demonstrated that here.
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    Mar 11, 2015 9:29 AM GMT
    What 20 yo in this day and age would consider any work of Michelangelo pornographic?! You need more enlightened friends.