Forty-seven GOP Republicans have sent an open letter to Iran to suggest they can undo whatever President Obama’s administration agrees to. Iran's Foreign Minister responds

  • metta

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    Mar 09, 2015 9:10 PM GMT
    Forty-seven GOP Republicans have sent an open letter to Iran to suggest they can undo whatever President Obama’s administration agrees to.



    http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/gops-iran-move-politics-goes-beyond-waters-edge-n319866
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    Mar 09, 2015 9:17 PM GMT
    Here is a take on the NBC story:
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nbc-news-whitewashes-history-iran-diplomacy_880789.html

    A variation of the Democratic mantra - "We'll have to pass it first so you can see what's in it."
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-ill-make-case-american-people-after-iran-deal-made_881000.html
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    Mar 09, 2015 9:20 PM GMT
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/03/09/47-republican-senators-send-letter-to-iran-with-veiled-threats/

    The Error in the Senators’ Letter to the Leaders of Iran
    By Jack Goldsmith
    http://www.lawfareblog.com/2015/03/the-error-in-the-senators-letter-to-the-leaders-of-iran/
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    Mar 09, 2015 9:24 PM GMT
    socalfitness said

    A variation of the Democratic mantra - "We'll have to pass it first so you can see what's in it."
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-ill-make-case-american-people-after-iran-deal-made_881000.html


    If I'm understanding this correctly, it's simply a matter of not being able to make a case to the American people until a deal has been negotiated. How would you make a case for an imaginary or unfinished deal? No Republican or Democratic president would make a case to the American people while an agreement is being negotiated.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 09, 2015 9:55 PM GMT
    It's just another example of the fucked up values of the current Republican Party. They can't govern or even act like adults. They're childish and more interested in whipping up hatred and war.
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    Mar 09, 2015 10:17 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidIt's just another example of the fucked up values of the current Republican Party. They can't govern or even act like adults. They're childish and more interested in whipping up hatred and war.

    +1

    But sending this kind of message to a hostile government, when the US government is in the middle of delicate negotiations, is nothing less than sabotage. Just like when House Speaker Boehner unilaterally invited Israeli PM Netanyahu to speak before Congress recently.

    All part of a Republican Party scheme to engage the US in yet another disastrous Middle East war. The last ones were catastrophes for the US, with heavy losses to US military and vast cost in our resources, resulting in heavy budget deficits, and worse for innocent civilians in those countries. Maybe third times a charm? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 09, 2015 11:13 PM GMT
    BREAKING: Iran's Foreign Minister responds to the letter from 47 Republican Senators


    "Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy."

    http://en.mfa.ir/index.aspx?siteid=3&fkeyid=&siteid=3&fkeyid=&siteid=3&pageid=1997&newsview=330948

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/09/1369700/-BREAKING-Iran-s-Foreign-Minister-responds-to-the-letter-from-47-Republican-Senators
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    Mar 09, 2015 11:28 PM GMT
    metta8 saidBREAKING: Iran's Foreign Minister responds to the letter from 47 Republican Senators

    Who gives a crap what Iran says? They know that in Obama and Kerry they are dealing with complete patsys who want to appease them. They don't want to hear anything about other US institutions having a different say.

    Quoting from another thread with all the appeasements that Iran is hoping to enjoy.

    socalfitness saidAppeasement in Our Time - One unforced error after another. Today's Neville Chamberlain

    An acceptable diplomatic solution to the danger posed by Iran’s nuclear program might have been available, but only had the United States maintained tough sanctions and a credible threat of military force. President Obama instead utterly undermined U.S. leverage and has offered so many irresponsible concessions that any deal struck under this president would be a dangerous deal.


    Chamberlain told the British public that in Munich he had achieved “peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time.” Churchill argued in response, “You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour and you will have war.” The same can be said of President Obama as he approaches his Munich.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/appeasement-our-time_867729.html#
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    Mar 09, 2015 11:32 PM GMT

    "Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law..."

    Sounds like Zarif knows more about democracy and diplomacy that the GOP.

    Where the hell was GOP leadership when these treasonous morons were cooking up this one?

    Maybe Boehner will sue them? Not.
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    Mar 09, 2015 11:37 PM GMT
    metta8 saidBREAKING: Iran's Foreign Minister responds to the letter from 47 Republican Senators

    "Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy."

    http://en.mfa.ir/index.aspx?siteid=3&fkeyid=&siteid=3&fkeyid=&siteid=3&pageid=1997&newsview=330948

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/09/1369700/-BREAKING-Iran-s-Foreign-Minister-responds-to-the-letter-from-47-Republican-Senators

    HOLY SHIT!

    The IRANIANS rebuffed the US Republican Senate, and told Republicans they know neither international law nor our own US Constitution?

    OMG! What a humiliation!
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    Mar 10, 2015 1:54 AM GMT
    I assume that the Iranian negotiators already know that any deal they might arrive at in Switzerland still depends on Senate ratification which is no sure thing. And I assume that the American negotiators already know that any deal they might arrive at in Switzerland still depends on whether or not the "Supreme Leader" agrees with Iran's elected government which is no sure thing.

    Good luck to 'em... (though I'm not holding my breath)

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    Mar 10, 2015 2:20 AM GMT
    These 47 Republicans want to show that they do not accept President Obama, the president chosen twice by the majority of Americans.

    This strategy will backfire. Just watch.
  • metta

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    Mar 11, 2015 3:32 PM GMT
    Text of Joe Biden’s Statement on Senators’ Letter to Iran’s Leaders

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/03/09/text-of-joe-bidens-statement-on-senators-letter-to-irans-leaders/
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    Mar 11, 2015 4:58 PM GMT
    McCain: GOP letter to Iran not 'most effective' response

    http://thehill.com/policy/international/235305-mccain-gop-letter-to-iran-not-most-effective-response
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    Mar 11, 2015 5:06 PM GMT
    metta8 saidMcCain: GOP letter to Iran not 'most effective' response

    http://thehill.com/policy/international/235305-mccain-gop-letter-to-iran-not-most-effective-response


    There's some irony in the headline. McCain, the least effective presidential candidate in history talking about anything being ineffective. I never have liked that guy and never will.

    And I'm holding back on forming an opinion about this actual letter to Iran until I learn more.
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    Mar 11, 2015 5:33 PM GMT
    metta8 saidMcCain: GOP letter to Iran not 'most effective' response

    http://thehill.com/policy/international/235305-mccain-gop-letter-to-iran-not-most-effective-response

    Again, context is everything and the title of the article is misleading. Note the quote marks in the Hill piece is only around the words 'most effective'. That was deliberate because the other words do not reflect the context of the remarks. McCain was responding to Greta Van Sustern who suggested publishing the letter on open media rather than addressing it to Iran would have been preferable. McCain's overall response supported the letter. Bold added here for emphasis.:

    Article title: McCain: GOP letter to Iran not 'most effective' response

    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), one of the signers of the controversial letter to Iran’s leadership, admitted Tuesday night that the letter might not have been the [best omitted] way to express frustration that President Obama isn’t working with Congress on nuclear negotiations with Tehran.

    “What that letter did was tell the Iranians that whatever deal they make, the Congress of the United States will play a role,” he said on Fox News’s “On the Record with Greta van Susteren.”

    Maybe that wasn’t the best way to do that, but I think the Iranians should know that the Congress of the United States has to play a role in whether an agreement of this magnitude.”
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  • AMoonHawk

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    Mar 12, 2015 6:30 AM GMT
    They should be arrested for treason
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    Mar 12, 2015 11:58 AM GMT
    " McCain's overall response supported the letter. "???

    McCain's various responses yesterday were all consistently VAGUE.

    McCain wants wiggle room so that he can both claim that he participated in this little rebuke of the president....and simultaneously that this foolish letter wasn't his idea.

    Why do you think the GOP elders allowed the novice Tom Cotton to take the lead?

    Traitors are cowards too.
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    Mar 12, 2015 4:40 PM GMT
    The backlash viewed by Rachel Maddow.

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    Mar 12, 2015 4:57 PM GMT
    metta8 said11007740_10153687815474392_6772426873635

    LMAO!!! Funniest thing on this yet! And right on target. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 12, 2015 5:04 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidThey should be arrested for treason

    Except they never will be. It appears to be a clear violation of the Logan Act, against unauthorized involvement with a foreign government against the officials policies of the US.

    The vagueness and wiggle room comes from it being the US Senate. Are they authorized or not? They do review treaties with foreign governments. But can they initiate actions unilaterally, bypassing the Executive Branch?

    A Constitutional question that may need to be decided, which is why bringing charges against them may be the best move, although I don't see it happening. Otherwise in the future we could have 100 additional Secretaries of State and Presidents dealing with foreign countries. And those countries will no longer have any faith in the diplomatic process with the US. Iran's Grand Ayatollah already said as much today.
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    Mar 13, 2015 1:52 AM GMT
    The other Republican senator from Arizona discusses why he didn't sign the letter.

    http://www.npr.org/2015/03/10/392142479/flake-senate-gop-letter-to-iran-not-appropriate
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    Mar 13, 2015 2:28 AM GMT
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    And there are those on here who STILL believe Metta8 to be non-partisan? Sheesh!

    Is that like you, who for years on RJ claimed to be an Independent, and not a Republican or a Right Winger at all? Do you still make that claim?