ANOTHER RIDICULOUS POLITICAL DISCUSSION

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 23, 2009 2:29 AM GMT
    With the inauguration of Obama, huge numbers of people tuned in and witnessed the pomp and circumstance of the day, with a number of the past presidents, their wives, vice presidents and their spouses as well. It was well done and very interesting.

    I was at a social gathering of a few friends on Wednesday evening and was called over and encouraged to offer my opinion....

    "Chris you probably have some view of this, Mike here thinks that part of the reason FDR got some of his legislation passed was that he (FDR) had a great listening pool there (at the 1933 inauguration) with the Republican presidents from the 20's there.
    What do you think Woodrow Wilson (a democrat) thought of FDR's proposals"?


    "What are you talking about", I asked? (Mike is a republican friend).

    "There were no republican presidents there, except Hoover... everyone else was dead", I said.. which prompted a heated argument about Coolidge and his views. "Coolidge was dead at that moment", he had no views, I stated.
    "Woodrow Wilson barely crawled out of the White House in 1921", I said, he was long gone and didn't even know about FDR".

    The end jist of this was that I was told that there were a lot of former Presidents around at tubulent times... Mike pointed out that there were several presidents around at the time Lincoln took office in 1861". I asked him if he thought they were there at the 1861 inauguration? Mike wasn't sure. I told him I was... Pierce hated Lincoln and he, Buchanan and I believe it was John Tyler were southern sympathizers... they wanted Lincoln to fall on his face".

    Today's inaugurations are much different than years in the past. For one most of those presidents didn't live very long after they left the White House.
    When you talk about the political wrangling in Washington, just know that
    these days... things are MUCH more civil than years ago.. Much improved.
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    Jan 23, 2009 3:25 AM GMT
    In the last two years, i've taken the time to read several books that touched on the rankling that went on in our early political history, and your point about it being better today seems to be clearly factual. I read a book call The Patriots (re; the founders of our country), Then one on Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, and Lincoln, and my God, Those people fought tooth and nail for their points of view, and had to deal with such evil, mean backstabbing of one another that survival was a miracle. lol !!! The fights between Hamilton and Jefferson were legendary, with Washington probably wishing he could strangle them both. but those fights brought us some of our best laws and policies of governing that are with us even today. Then of course we have hamilton shot in a dual by Burr (hope I got his name right), what a terrible waste of such a wonderful mind and life. Its an extremely interesting subject for sure !!
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    Jan 23, 2009 3:33 AM GMT
    Sorry, your friends are morons. Wilson & Coolidge were both dead by the time FDR took office in March, 1933. (The Inauguration date was later moved up to January, where it remains today)
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    Jan 23, 2009 10:15 PM GMT
    If you listen to right-wing radio you'll hear a lot of factually challenged viewpoints expressed. Listeners rarely check, think this helps them in the water cooler wars and promptly bleat out the refrain. Your friend Mike got busted, and it was so awesome you were there to hand him his ass.
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    Jan 23, 2009 10:32 PM GMT
    Party politics today is absolutely nothing like what it was when FDR took office. Even if premise were true, what it is to be a Republican or Democrat now is radically different than what it was to be either then.

    Even comparing the electoral-geography when Herbert Hoover and FDR won

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    compared to when Bush and Obama won
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    should tell you something.
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    Jan 23, 2009 10:55 PM GMT
    But still, America is not able to put on a show like Mother England! You guys just don't have "IT !" Thank god I had to wash my hair that day.
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    Jan 24, 2009 1:10 AM GMT
    Munching:-

    Oh wow, the Southern States were blue. It's a mad world we live in.

    Pattison:-

    Damn right.

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    Although, do you know, I think it's all a little kitsch.

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    Jan 24, 2009 1:36 AM GMT
    Lost_In_The_Mail said
    Oh wow, the Southern States were blue. It's a mad world we live in.


    Back in the days before Lyndon Johnson when the Democratic party was brimming with racists, homophobes, and misogynists. This is why the Republican party, when trying to appeal to minorities, calls itself "The Party of Lincoln". As if some dead guy's policies 150 years ago forgives the racist policies of the GOP today.

    It is a mad, mad, mad, mad world we live in.
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    Jan 24, 2009 1:39 AM GMT
    Kinda off topic... but man! I love seeing that blue 1 in Nebraskas Lancaster county (Lincoln makes up the majority of it.)
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    Jan 24, 2009 1:44 AM GMT
    GwgTrunks saidKinda off topic... but man! I love seeing that blue 1 in Nebraskas Lancaster county (Lincoln makes up the majority of it.)

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    It might be in the location of Lincoln on the map, but in all actuality it represents the Obamaha icon_lol.gif Electoral district.

    Thanks MunchingZombie for posting that map! Its the first map I've seen acknowledging Nebraska's first split electoral vote, and my vote helped! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 24, 2009 1:47 AM GMT
    Lost_In_The_Mail saidMunching:-

    Oh wow, the Southern States were blue. It's a mad world we live in.

    President Lyndon Johnson said when he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that he had just handed the South to the Republicans for the next 50 years...that be 2014....that could be just about right....after this election the Repubs and the South might just realize that their racist views are going to fail them.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jan 24, 2009 2:23 AM GMT
    The tides are turning. The race is now on for the latino vote.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 24, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    Pattison saidBut still, America is not able to put on a show like Mother England! You guys just don't have "IT !" Thank god I had to wash my hair that day.



    I'll take the United States anytime.
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    Jan 24, 2009 7:53 PM GMT
    Hndsm:-

    Well, obviously America's GDP is about eight squillion times bigger than the UK and everything, but we should all accept what's really important in world affairs is the size of your wedding dresses...

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    I think Britannia still rules in that crucial department.


    Munching and Caslon:-

    Well, I watched the election despite it being in the middle of the night and it ran pretty close in Georgia I think.. perhaps the tide is starting to turn.

    I also read an interesting article about how America may now have a permanent democratic majority (which I now can't find)...