Gay youth stoned to death in Jamaica

  • metta

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    Mar 10, 2015 5:26 AM GMT
    Gay youth stoned to death in Jamaica


    WARNING - WARNING - WARNING

    TERRIBLE PHOTO OF PERSON ON GROUND WITH BLOOD ALL OVER THE GROUND IN ARTICLE.


    "You can hear homophobic slurs, clearly said with a Jamaican accent, yelling: 'Batty man yuh fi dead!' This means, 'Gay, you should die'."

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-youth-stoned-death-jamaica090315



    "Uncomfirmed social media reports suggest the youth was stoned in Montego Bay and it is believed to have happened in the last few weeks.

    This is the same parish where gender non-conforming teen Dwayne Jones was murdered in 2013. Jones was chopped and stabbed to death by a mob. No one was ever charged with the murder."

    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-youth-stoned-death-jamaica090315#sthash.Fmb7H42d.dpuf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Dwayne_Jones



    WARNING!!! Alleged Gay Youth Stoned to Death in Jamaica

    http://www.minority-insight.org/2015/03/warning-alleged-gay-youth-stoned-to.html




    Protecting Our Kids – Lent And Beyond
    written by Father Sean Major-Campbell in Jamaica
    (does not mention that the person was gay)

    http://alturl.com/j62q2

    http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/commentary/20150310/protecting-our-kids-%E2%80%93-lent-and-beyond

    GAY YOUTH STONED TO DEATH IN JAMAICA
    https://nextcrunch.wordpress.com/2015/03/10/gay-youth-stoned-to-death-in-jamaica/
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    Mar 10, 2015 8:18 AM GMT
    metta8 saidGay youth stoned to death in Jamaica


    WARNING - WARNING - WARNING

    TERRIBLE PHOTO OF PERSON ON GROUND WITH BLOOD ALL OVER THE GROUND IN ARTICLE.

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-youth-stoned-death-jamaica090315


    Ah yes, those lovely evangelistic christians of Jamaica - just doing what evangelistic christians want to do everywhere.
  • bobbobbob

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    Mar 10, 2015 2:08 PM GMT
    pazzy saidBefore you jump to conclusions, some of the people are commenting saying that the guy that got stoned was actually a child rapist that along with another guy raped a 7 year old, he is not gay and that the guy is not dead. Looks like gaystarnews is falsifying news or making news stories up using random footage claiming that so and so is gay to intentionally start something.

    If a media outlet is willing to falsely news and twist shit without sources to push a certain agenda, then I think that's really harmful and manipulating folks. falsifying news stories is not the way to go and you mr Metta should check the stories you post to make sure it's legit and not some rumor mill bullshit.



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    I have been avoiding clicking this thread just because I did not want to see what I expected and get angry about it. If I'd seen it on another news news source outside of here I might have looked at it.

    Metta, don't delete this. Leave it here so others will see it and possibly learn to fact check before they believe things.

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  • bobbobbob

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    Mar 10, 2015 2:17 PM GMT
    comment from Jamaica


    "Orson Brown · Kingston, Jamaica
    I am a Jamaican, and I can categorically say this story is NOT true. Two men (brothers) abducted and raped a 7 year old boy. The savagery of this brutal act prompted the beating of the brother that was caught by residents. This individual is in hospital under police guard. The rape, not sexual orientation, prompted the reprisal."

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    Mar 10, 2015 2:38 PM GMT
    pazzy saidBefore you jump to conclusions, some of the people are commenting saying that the guy that got stoned was actually a child rapist that along with another guy raped a 7 year old, he is not gay and that the guy is not dead. Looks like gaystarnews is falsifying news or making news stories up using random footage claiming that so and so is gay to intentionally start something.

    If a media outlet is willing to falsely news and twist shit without sources to push a certain agenda, then I think that's really harmful and manipulating folks. falsifying news stories is not the way to go and you mr Metta should check the stories you post to make sure it's legit and not some rumor mill bullshit.


    On all counts above +++++++++++++++++
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    Mar 10, 2015 3:14 PM GMT
    Super disturbing. I followed the links to the video. Big mistake. I mean, I guess it's important to know what people do to each other but I'll probably be upset about what I've just seen for quite a while.
  • metta

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    Mar 10, 2015 5:32 PM GMT
    pazzy saidBefore you jump to conclusions, some of the people are commenting saying that the guy that got stoned was actually a child rapist that along with another guy raped a 7 year old, he is not gay and that the guy is not dead. Looks like gaystarnews is falsifying news or making news stories up using random footage claiming that so and so is gay to intentionally start something.

    If a media outlet is willing to falsely news and twist shit without sources to push a certain agenda, then I think that's really harmful and manipulating folks. falsifying news stories is not the way to go and you mr Metta should check the stories you post to make sure it's legit and not some rumor mill bullshit.



    If that is true, why are they yelling 'Batty man yuh fi dead!' This means, 'Gay, you should die'?
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    So two brothers raped a boy. When one brother was stoned this could be heard, "Batty man yuh fi dead!' This means, 'Gay, you should die'."

    Recently, a man went on a rampage and raped four women, and an 8 year old girl. The only result there was a tidy no-stoning court case.
    Double standard.

    Think critically.
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    meninlove said
    So two brothers raped a boy. When one brother was stoned this could be heard, "Batty man yuh fi dead!' This means, 'Gay, you should die'."

    Recently, a man went on a rampage and raped four women, and an 8 year old girl. The only result there was a tidy no-stoning court case.
    Double standard.

    Think critically.

    +1

    And note who on RJ dismisses this brutal act as having nothing to do with the mob victim being gay. The usual suspects.
  • bobbobbob

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    Mar 10, 2015 6:43 PM GMT
    Be accurate if that's possible.... and stop contorting things to fit your own preconceived narrative.

    I've consistently stressed to need to double check sources before anything is accepted as credible.

    It would have been hard if not impossible to have kept this story off more trustable news sources who have the resources and people to check out the story.

    I just checked to see who's picked it up. Three more gay sites who naturally picked it up from the one Metta8 did.

    Does anyone remember the gay marriage advocate last week in Ohio who faked his own abduction on facebook that went viral this way?
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 10, 2015 7:04 PM GMT
    Sad story all around. This is vigilante justice, and is sickening to the rule of law. Rule of power NEVER works in the long term. I hope for Jamaica's sake the savages are brought to justice.

    Street justice isn't real justice.

    The RULE OF LAW must prevail.

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    bobbobbob saidcomment from Jamaica


    "Orson Brown · Kingston, Jamaica
    I am a Jamaican, and I can categorically say this story is NOT true. Two men (brothers) abducted and raped a 7 year old boy. The savagery of this brutal act prompted the beating of the brother that was caught by residents. This individual is in hospital under police guard. The rape, not sexual orientation, prompted the reprisal."



    That seems to be the back story a lot of LGBT sites don't bother to fact-check before reporting these incidents solely as anti-gay attacks. I wonder if these writers don't know how dangerous and counterproductive it is to encourage sympathy for pedos and rapists simply because they're gay.
  • Svnw688

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    Mar 10, 2015 7:27 PM GMT
    @Cody4U

    They yelled "gay, you should die" as they killed him. This was, in part, tinged with homophobia if not an outright hate crime.

    Are you remedial?
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    pazzy saidBefore you jump to conclusions, some of the people are commenting saying that the guy that got stoned was actually a child rapist that along with another guy raped a 7 year old, he is not gay and that the guy is not dead. Looks like gaystarnews is falsifying news or making news stories up using random footage claiming that so and so is gay to intentionally start something.

    If a media outlet is willing to falsely news and twist shit without sources to push a certain agenda, then I think that's really harmful and manipulating folks. falsifying news stories is not the way to go and you mr Metta should check the stories you post to make sure it's legit and not some rumor mill bullshit.



    EXCELLENT CATCH PAZZY!!!!!

    I have been avoiding clicking this thread just because I did not want to see what I expected and get angry about it. If I'd seen it on another news news source outside of here I might have looked at it.

    Metta, don't delete this. Leave it here so others will see it and possibly learn to fact check before they believe things.

    Thanks.



    Why do you think Metta8 would delete your comment?

    Anyway, before everyone assumes it was...or wasn't justified....Jamaica has an ingrained homophobia.
    They have a special kind of music as we all know.
    But most don't know about an offshoot of Reggae:

    Jamaica's Anti-Gay 'Murder Music' Carries Violent Message

    Jamaican dancehall star Buju Banton was considered a musical prodigy in 1988 when, at age 15, he recorded what remains one of his best-known tracks, “Boom Bye Bye.” Even in the difficult-to-decipher Jamaican slang known as patois, its chorus evokes violence and dread: Boom bye bye / inna batty bwoy head / Rude bwoy no promote no nasty man / dem haffi dead. (“Boom [the sound of a gunshot], bye-bye, in a faggot’s head / the tough young guys don’t accept fags; they have to die.”)

    Their fear is well founded. In June 2004, J-FLAG co-founder Brian Williamson, one of the only openly gay public figures in Jamaica, was stabbed to death in his home. A Human Rights Watch worker who happened to be in the country reporting on HIV/AIDs was at the scene an hour later, watching in horror as a gleeful crowd gathered outside Williamson’s house. According to her report, the revelers laughed and called out “Let’s get them one at a time” and “That’s what you get for sin,” and also sang lines from “Boom Bye Bye.”

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/harmonies-of-hate




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    CODY4U saidThat seems to be the back story a lot of LGBT sites don't bother to fact-check before reporting these incidents solely as anti-gay attacks.


    Are you illiterate?? Defending sexual predators in the name of gay rights is beyond twisted and also quite homophobic.
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    bobbobbob said
    pazzy saidBefore you jump to conclusions, some of the people are commenting saying that the guy that got stoned was actually a child rapist that along with another guy raped a 7 year old, he is not gay and that the guy is not dead. Looks like gaystarnews is falsifying news or making news stories up using random footage claiming that so and so is gay to intentionally start something.

    If a media outlet is willing to falsely news and twist shit without sources to push a certain agenda, then I think that's really harmful and manipulating folks. falsifying news stories is not the way to go and you mr Metta should check the stories you post to make sure it's legit and not some rumor mill bullshit.



    EXCELLENT CATCH PAZZY!!!!!

    I have been avoiding clicking this thread just because I did not want to see what I expected and get angry about it. If I'd seen it on another news news source outside of here I might have looked at it.

    Metta, don't delete this. Leave it here so others will see it and possibly learn to fact check before they believe things.

    Thanks.



    Why do you think Metta8 would delete your comment?

    Anyway, before everyone assumes it was...or wasn't justified....Jamaica has an ingrained homophobia.
    They have a special kind of music as we all know.
    But most don't know about an offshoot of Reggae:

    Jamaica's Anti-Gay 'Murder Music' Carries Violent Message

    Jamaican dancehall star Buju Banton was considered a musical prodigy in 1988 when, at age 15, he recorded what remains one of his best-known tracks, “Boom Bye Bye.” Even in the difficult-to-decipher Jamaican slang known as patois, its chorus evokes violence and dread: Boom bye bye / inna batty bwoy head / Rude bwoy no promote no nasty man / dem haffi dead. (“Boom [the sound of a gunshot], bye-bye, in a faggot’s head / the tough young guys don’t accept fags; they have to die.”)

    Their fear is well founded. In June 2004, J-FLAG co-founder Brian Williamson, one of the only openly gay public figures in Jamaica, was stabbed to death in his home. A Human Rights Watch worker who happened to be in the country reporting on HIV/AIDs was at the scene an hour later, watching in horror as a gleeful crowd gathered outside Williamson’s house. According to her report, the revelers laughed and called out “Let’s get them one at a time” and “That’s what you get for sin,” and also sang lines from “Boom Bye Bye.”

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/harmonies-of-hate


    Pazzy will go berserk on your ass when he reads this. He's only against gay bashers when they're WHITE. He will defend the anti-gay violence of all Black areas and claim the White man taught them to be anti-gay. He will excuse them of all of their violence and call anyone who disagrees with him a "racist."
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    Mar 10, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
    CODY4U said@Svnw666

    CODY4U saidThat seems to be the back story a lot of LGBT sites don't bother to fact-check before reporting these incidents solely as anti-gay attacks.


    Are you illiterate?? Defending sexual predators in the name of gay rights is beyond twisted and also quite homophobic.


    Whatever you say SouthBeach.

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    Radd said
    timmm55 said
    bobbobbob said
    pazzy saidBefore you jump to conclusions, some of the people are commenting saying that the guy that got stoned was actually a child rapist that along with another guy raped a 7 year old, he is not gay and that the guy is not dead. Looks like gaystarnews is falsifying news or making news stories up using random footage claiming that so and so is gay to intentionally start something.

    If a media outlet is willing to falsely news and twist shit without sources to push a certain agenda, then I think that's really harmful and manipulating folks. falsifying news stories is not the way to go and you mr Metta should check the stories you post to make sure it's legit and not some rumor mill bullshit.



    EXCELLENT CATCH PAZZY!!!!!

    I have been avoiding clicking this thread just because I did not want to see what I expected and get angry about it. If I'd seen it on another news news source outside of here I might have looked at it.

    Metta, don't delete this. Leave it here so others will see it and possibly learn to fact check before they believe things.

    Thanks.



    Why do you think Metta8 would delete your comment?

    Anyway, before everyone assumes it was...or wasn't justified....Jamaica has an ingrained homophobia.
    They have a special kind of music as we all know.
    But most don't know about an offshoot of Reggae:

    Jamaica's Anti-Gay 'Murder Music' Carries Violent Message

    Jamaican dancehall star Buju Banton was considered a musical prodigy in 1988 when, at age 15, he recorded what remains one of his best-known tracks, “Boom Bye Bye.” Even in the difficult-to-decipher Jamaican slang known as patois, its chorus evokes violence and dread: Boom bye bye / inna batty bwoy head / Rude bwoy no promote no nasty man / dem haffi dead. (“Boom [the sound of a gunshot], bye-bye, in a faggot’s head / the tough young guys don’t accept fags; they have to die.”)

    Their fear is well founded. In June 2004, J-FLAG co-founder Brian Williamson, one of the only openly gay public figures in Jamaica, was stabbed to death in his home. A Human Rights Watch worker who happened to be in the country reporting on HIV/AIDs was at the scene an hour later, watching in horror as a gleeful crowd gathered outside Williamson’s house. According to her report, the revelers laughed and called out “Let’s get them one at a time” and “That’s what you get for sin,” and also sang lines from “Boom Bye Bye.”

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/harmonies-of-hate


    Pazzy will go berserk on your ass when he reads this. He's only against gay bashers when they're WHITE. He will defend the anti-gay violence of all Black areas and claim the White man taught them to be anti-gay. He will excuse them of all of their violence and call anyone who disagrees with him a "racist."


    He'll say the music is "real" and needs to be heard.
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    And it's imported back to the US, but......

    Fight Against Jamaican Murder Music Steps Up in New York

    "In a YouTube video posted June 7, Queen Ifrica called her gay opponents “bullies” and said she wished “black people got the same tolerance as gay people.” She then challenged the gay community to “bring out the pedophiles among them.”"

    http://gaycitynews.nyc/fight-jamaican-murder-music-steps-new-york/

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    Svnw666 saidWhatever you say SouthBeach.


    whatever you say, homophobe.

    Svnw666 saidI'm catholic.


    well no wonder you're defending pedophiles!
  • metta

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    Mar 10, 2015 8:29 PM GMT
    One person from Jamaica posting a message saying the story is not true does not make it so.
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    metta8 saidOne person from Jamaica posting a message saying the story is not true does not make it so.


    but Gay Star News isn't exactly Reuters either.
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    So two brothers raped a boy. When one brother was stoned this could be heard, "Batty man yuh fi dead!' This means, 'Gay, you should die'."

    Recently, a man went on a rampage and raped four women, and an 8 year old girl. The only result there was a tidy no-stoning court case.
    Double standard.

    Think critically.


    stoning as double standard, huh? understatement of the century.

    CODY4U said@Svnw666

    CODY4U saidThat seems to be the back story a lot of LGBT sites don't bother to fact-check before reporting these incidents solely as anti-gay attacks.


    Are you illiterate?? Defending sexual predators in the name of gay rights is beyond twisted and also quite homophobic.


    Calling for a rule of law is not defending a law breaker.

    Nobody has been "defending sexual predators in the name of gay rights" and it is hideous of you to falsely so charge.
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    timmm55 saidAnd it's imported back to the US, but......

    Fight Against Jamaican Murder Music Steps Up in New York

    "In a YouTube video posted June 7, Queen Ifrica called her gay opponents “bullies” and said she wished “black people got the same tolerance as gay people.” She then challenged the gay community to “bring out the pedophiles among them.”"

    http://gaycitynews.nyc/fight-jamaican-murder-music-steps-new-york/



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    do you even know who queen ifrica is? she does NOT make violent music.

    man, i'm really tired of these gay news media publications all attacking countries that have an anti gay sediment and further, only exposing their ignorance, falsifying shit, not knowing what they're talking about.

    these gay news media publications are only just keeping an already ignorant audience more ignorant and isolating those of us that have some knowledge about these things that they TRY to speak about. as someone who has a jamaican heritage with jamaican family, i take things like that personal because it seems more like a vilification and bullying tactic simply for those that don't even live in these places, are of that cultural background, have that heritage, are of that nationality and etc. personally, you are not helping any of us that are lgbt jamaicans or lgbt americans with jamaican backgrounds by posting these articles at all.

    personally, i taking offense more to the gay news media publication attacking her by spreading LIES about her music than what she said. she's ignorant BUT the gay news media outlet is all ready to trash her musical content when they don't know shit about it in order to ruin her reputation as a musician so she can't have any fans.

    i don't condone homophobia or people pushing it BUT this is NOT the way to combat it at all.






    it's really getting nauesating and personally, beginning to look to see all these lgbt advocates being more of bigots themselves exposing their prejudices and the whole nine trying to call out the ignorance of others.



    The poor interviewer is desperately steering her away from her own ignorance! He talks about education (repeatedly) and human rights issues. She talks about the bible, gay conversion, the curse of homosexuality, "Powerful Gays" as bullies,....and says Gays should pull out the pedophiles among us (does she know most pedophiles don't care if they are boys or girls)


    http://youtu.be/sU7ER-faAQo


    (see:"For the present discussion, the important point is that many child molesters cannot be meaningfully described as homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals (in the usual sense of those terms) because they are not really capable of a relationship with an adult man or woman. Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women."
    [url]http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html)[/url]

    Then SHE expects US to be vigilantes and deal with them. (Which makes her VERY pertinent to this discussion).

    She isn't American or Canadian, She is a GUEST. Or was. She has no "right" to spew her hate here. And that is why she and several other "haters" have been denied.


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    metta8 saidOne person from Jamaica posting a message saying the story is not true does not make it so.


    it wasn't ONE person. it was five others that actually live in jamaica or know of the incident that said that the news media publication had their facts wrong or was making things up.


    Without videos or tape recordings (where are all those cellphone recordings that witnesses make?) one can never know what happened in any incident. But one can make rational conclusionns. Jamaican society is extremely homophobic. So it is rational to believe the statement that the murderers were shouting. "Gay, you should die." Just as it is rational to disbelieve people who want to make their nation look better in the eyes of the world by denying things that would shed a bad light on them.