There is no Polish "ethnicity" in 2015?

  • mwolverine

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    Mar 11, 2015 3:09 PM GMT
    AyaTrollah pouncer saidnot only is there no French or Polish "ethnicity"

    After explaining the difference between "ethnicity" and "citizenship" (ironically he attempted to deny Polish ethnicity because 0.2% of Polish Citizens are ethnic Germans - yet in Germany there also are a small number of ethnic Poles), I asked again: is there or isn't there Polish ethnicity?

    AyaTrollah pouncer saidThere is no Polish "ethnicity" in 2015. Polish communities in Germany or America are communities of Polish origin, no one cares what their "ethnicity" is

    You contradict yourself. First asserting they aren't of Polish ethnicity, then claiming it's irrelevant if they are.

    They care. They belong to fraternal groups and have museums and parades, etc.

    But do provide us with a few more laughs: what year did Polish ethnicity end?

    What do other people think?
    Is there Polish ethnicity? French? Irish? Hungarian? Jewish?
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 11, 2015 3:31 PM GMT
    Original discussion:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4013400?forumpage=2

    AyaTrollah pouncer saidnot only is there no French or Polish "ethnicity"

    In order to deny Jews their ethnicity without appearing to be an Anti-Semite, AyaTrollah pouncer now seeks to deny any and all ethnicities in the modern world?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles

    A> his own source:

    || a nation of predominantly West Slavic ethnic origin

    Nation as used here is not synonymous with State, which is why rather than quote from the article, we get the usual idiotic twisting:

    A> That is, the opposite of an "ethnicity" - a nation with a majority (Slavic) and minority (German, Gypsy...) ethnic origins - both irrelevant to the status of who is Polish in 2015.

    So while there is no Polish ethnicity, there are Slavic, German and "Gypsy" ethnicities?

    Yet Germans make up 0.2% of Polish citizens, "Gypsies" even less.
    This makes Pole as an ethnicity disappear?

    But wait, when we look at Germany... we see that it has a minority of ethnic Poles listed, just as there are ethnic Germans in Poland.


    || Chicago, in the United States, had the world's largest urban Polish population after Warsaw.

    How many Poles living in Chicago do you suppose are citizens of the Polish state? Lacking Polish citizenship, what makes the 90+% of them ethnic Poles?

    A> If someone or their family has origins in Poland, they are Polish. If someone immigrates to Poland from Somalia and takes out Polish citizenship, they are Polish.

    Yes, but these are two different types of "Polish".
    The former is a non-Citizen who is ETHNICALLY Polish.
    The latter is a Citizen who is of Somali ethnicity (you yourself argued that someone born a Somali can't "convert" to be Polish.)


    What if a Polish woman (who according to the AyaTrollah has no ethnicity) marries a Hungarian and adopts Magyar ethnicity. Has she "converted"? What about their children? Are they ethnic Magyars or in AyaTrollah pouncer's racist eyes worthless half-breeds?

    A> A Brazilian who marries a "Magyar" no more becomes a "Magyar" than one who marries a Kurd becomes a Kurd. They may become a "Magyar" (read Hungarian) citizen, or a Kurdish citizen were Kurdistan a state, but a person does not add or subtract "ethnicities".

    There is no Kurdish state, no Kurdistan. So how can someone be "Kurdish"?

    So is there or isn't there Polish ethnicity?

    A> There is no Polish "ethnicity" in 2015. Polish communities in Germany or America are communities of Polish origin, no one cares what their "ethnicity" is

    You contradict yourself. First asserting they aren't of Polish ethnicity, then claiming it's irrelevant if they are.

    They care. They belong to fraternal groups and have museums and parades, etc.

    But do provide us with a few more laughs: what year did Polish ethnicity end?


    A> Children, that is descendents, are different, as they can be Hungarian or Kurdish by origin (jus sanguinis - which as explained has nothing to do with "blood" but parentage).

    What? You "explained" it "has nothing to do with 'blood'" when you've devoted so much time to arguments of racial purity?!

    A> one is either a Jew (ie. of Jewish religion or parentage)

    Where "parentage" is ethnicity, so there is Jewish ethnicity.

    A> ?

    Amongst Iran's Jews 2500 years ago, which he identified as an ethnic group, "conversion" to that ethnic group WAS possible.

    A> ?
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 12, 2015 8:50 AM GMT
    As usual, the AyaTrollah persists off topic elsewhere and won't come here despite a link, because trolls can never discuss a thread in its place.

    A> A Somali whose ancestors lived in Hungary three generations ago would enjoy the same right of return as would a Jew.

    Except that there weren't any Somalis living in Hungary 3 generations ago and many of the Jews who lived there weren't at the time considered "nationals" and have no right of return to Hungary despite their grandparents having been born (and perhaps murdered) there.

    On top of that, Hungary under a 2001 law provides "return" for ethnic Hungarians. A 2010 law indicates the interview is to be conducted in Hungarian. How many Somalis (or Jews today) speak Hungarian?


    What year did Polish ethnicity end?

    A> an amalgamation of Slavs, Jews, Germans etc. is a nation, not an "ethnicity"

    96% Slavs, 0.2% Germans, <0.2% Jews.

    Still can't tell us when?


    A> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonization

    How strange there would be "Polonization" within the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Why wasn't it then "Polish-Lithuanianization"?

    And then:

    || Polonization also occurred during times when a Polish state didn't exist


    Because ethnicity (as distinct from citizenship) doesn't require a state.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 13, 2015 3:57 PM GMT
    Consider further AyaTrollah pouncer self-contradicting insistence that there is a Palestinian ethnicity - and thus there should be a Palestinian Arab state. After the 1948 war, Palestinian Arabs living in Judea, Samaria and eastern Jerusalem (then Jordan's so-called "West Bank") were JORDANIAN citizens. The Arabs living in Israel were and are Israeli citizens. The Arabs living in Gaza, well, they're just Gazans according to his (other) beliefs.

    How sad. The moron's entire world view is based on one thing: hating Jews, which he seeks to rationalize in one stupid way after another.

    Intellectual dishonesty hall of shame:
    Freedom of opinion/press is found in Iran, not in US or UK.
    Iran is a democracy and doesn't brutally crack down on its own protesters.
    And other AyaTrollah pouncer gems documented here.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151
  • armin87

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    Mar 13, 2015 4:56 PM GMT
    I am Polish, who was born and lived all my life in Poland.
    Of course there is Polish ethnicity and among us German and Silesian ethnicity and others. It is really ridiculous why some people think there is no Polish ethnicity.
    The same u will say there is British ethnicity, but answer is no.
    There is English, Scottish and Walsh ethnicity in the UK, different appearance, culture and accent, even sometimes different language like Walsh etc.
    I am surprised with knowledge of some people. Do you think there is world outside US? or you just think all world is Russia, US and Israel?
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 16, 2015 2:24 AM GMT
    armin87 saidI am Polish, who was born and lived all my life in Poland.
    Of course there is Polish ethnicity and among us German and Silesian ethnicity and others. It is really ridiculous why some people think there is no Polish ethnicity.

    Yes, some people (assuming AyaTrollah pouncer qualifies) are completely ridiculous.

    Note that the guy claiming there is no such thing as Polish ethnicity is himself a Brit of Irish background (ethnicity). He's not one for consistency, either.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 24, 2015 9:15 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidHere's something that Caesarea/Mwolverine and Pouncer can debate...

    This thread already has a specific thesis (topic).
    But I guess that even for southbeach it's a no-brainer that there exists Polish ethnicity so there's not much to discuss here.
    We've even heard from a Polish person, and the AyaTrolLiar can't respond to what he said.
  • mwolverine

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    Mar 31, 2015 5:01 AM GMT
    Via email:

    I think that most of what is on this forum might be a total bullshit :/ . I am Polish and I also live in Poland. ...If you ask me about Polish roots and origin of this nation than I'll say that Polish people historically belongs to "lechickie" tribe of western Slovacs

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lechites
  • mwolverine

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    Apr 02, 2015 1:21 PM GMT
    Was on the east side of Metro Detroit yesterday and drove by the "American Polish Cultural Center". Culture? Not "Citizenship"?

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    http://www.americanpolishcenter.com/about-us/our-mission

    Across the street was the "Polish Market".
    Do they sell ethnic Polish foods and items, or "citizenship"?