Peru rejects civil unions bill after Catholic bishop calls gay lawmaker Carlos Bruce a ‘faggot’

  • metta

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    Mar 11, 2015 5:34 PM GMT
    Peru rejects civil unions bill after Catholic bishop calls gay lawmaker a ‘faggot’

    "Monsignor Luis Bambarén, Bishop emeritus of Chimbote, told Peruvian media that he strongly opposed the legislation, and called Bruce a “maricon,” Spanish for “faggot.”

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/03/peru-rejects-civil-unions-bill-after-catholic-bishop-calls-gay-lawmaker-a-faggot/
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    Mar 11, 2015 9:20 PM GMT
    Peru doesn't seem to be the most gay-friendly place on earth: a gay couple who are friends of mine was "jumped" and beaten while traveling to Machu Picchu several years ago. I'll stick to SAmerica's Atlantic side, though I'd like to traverse the Straits of Magellan sometime.
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    Mar 11, 2015 10:58 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidPeru doesn't seem to be the most gay-friendly place on earth: a gay couple who are friends of mine was "jumped" and beaten while traveling to Machu Picchu several years ago. I'll stick to SAmerica's Atlantic side, though I'd like to traverse the Straits of Magellan sometime.


    Brazil is not particularly gay friendly, either.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 12, 2015 12:37 AM GMT
    I guess it all depends on what part of the country you are in. Peru, Brazil, the US they all have their good and their bad.
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    Mar 12, 2015 1:22 AM GMT
    waccamatt saidBrazil is not particularly gay friendly, either.


    I've read that SSM is legal all throughout Brazil. Seems they're more gay-friendly than the U.S.
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    Mar 12, 2015 1:32 AM GMT
    It's likely the bill would not have been approved in any case, in the current political climate there. Bit it does demonstrate how religious leaders, in this case a Catholic bishop "emeritus", will interfere with the civil legislative process.

    As they are trying to do in the US, having been emboldened to disregard generations of respect for the concept of separation of church and state, during the previous Bush Administration. Another of the political legacies of Karl Rove's time as a senior Bush advisor. Something we all need to resist, lest we go down the road to a theocracy.
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    Mar 12, 2015 1:35 AM GMT
    CODY4U said
    waccamatt saidBrazil is not particularly gay friendly, either.


    I've read that SSM is legal all throughout Brazil. Seems they're more gay-friendly than the U.S.

    As are most of the Western industrialized countries.
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    Mar 12, 2015 1:39 AM GMT
    My partner and I are in Peru at least twice a year for work and we've traveled as tourists too.

    Very Sweet People! We've never had a negative experience there.
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    Mar 12, 2015 2:05 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIt's likely the bill would not have been approved in any case, in the current political climate there. Bit it does demonstrate how religious leaders, in this case a Catholic bishop "emeritus", will interfere with the civil legislative process.

    As they are trying to do in the US, having been emboldened to disregard generations of respect for the concept of separation of church and state, during the previous Bush Administration. Another of the political legacies of Karl Rove's time as a senior Bush advisor. Something we all need to resist, lest we go down the road to a theocracy.

    "Yes, yes, Mrs. Danvers, that will be all."

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    Mar 12, 2015 2:43 AM GMT
    I am Peruvian, living in the US now, never had any problem. Most of Religious fanatic people like in the US are the ones who oppose to Gay Marriage or in this case Civil Unions, and Peru is predominantly Catholic. Younger generations are very open minded,also not religious too, just let that older generation be replaced by younger open minded people.
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    Mar 12, 2015 4:17 AM GMT
    Perhaps the bishop is a friend of Obama advisor Al Sharpton. Al refers to us as "Homos" and "Faggots".
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    Mar 12, 2015 7:23 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIt's likely the bill would not have been approved in any case, in the current political climate there. Bit it does demonstrate how religious leaders, in this case a Catholic bishop "emeritus", will interfere with the civil legislative process.

    As they are trying to do in the US, having been emboldened to disregard generations of respect for the concept of separation of church and state, during the previous Bush Administration. Another of the political legacies of Karl Rove's time as a senior Bush advisor. Something we all need to resist, lest we go down the road to a theocracy.


    Just as millions of others in this country (US) you don't understand the concept of the separation of church and state. All people of all faiths are allowed a say in the political process. This includes the laity as well as the clergy as they are just as much citizens as anyone else and have a right to influence legislation as anyone else, whether or not you like their positions. We also have a judicial branch of government which has the obligation to review legislation and rule whether it is constitutional or not.

    Once again metta and his sources use disingenuous wording to distort. This time it's made to seem as thought that just because one Catholic bishop used the word maricón the legistation was defeated. I seriously doubt one man using an offensive term was why the bill was defeated.
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    Mar 12, 2015 8:04 AM GMT
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    Just as millions of others in this country (US) you don't understand the concept of the separation of church and state. All people of all faiths are allowed a say in the political process. This includes the laity as well as the clergy as they are just as much citizens as anyone else and have a right to influence legislation as anyone else, whether or not you like their positions. We also have a judicial branch of government which has the obligation to review legislation and rule whether it is constitutional or not.

    Once again metta and his sources use disingenuous wording to distort. This time it's made to seem as thought that just because one Catholic bishop used the word maricón the legistation was defeated. I seriously doubt one man using an offensive term was why the bill was defeated.

    Did you skip the part which mentions LEADING catholic bishop?
    Why do you find it surpirsing that a single man can have so much influence? It isn't something new. Catholics follow POPE, who is just one single person. What he says would be obviously taken in high regard in comparsion to what you or I have to say. So your doubt isn't a very loogical one.
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    Mar 13, 2015 4:13 AM GMT
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    UndercoverMan said

    Just as millions of others in this country (US) you don't understand the concept of the separation of church and state. All people of all faiths are allowed a say in the political process. This includes the laity as well as the clergy as they are just as much citizens as anyone else and have a right to influence legislation as anyone else, whether or not you like their positions. We also have a judicial branch of government which has the obligation to review legislation and rule whether it is constitutional or not.

    Once again metta and his sources use disingenuous wording to distort. This time it's made to seem as thought that just because one Catholic bishop used the word maricón the legistation was defeated. I seriously doubt one man using an offensive term was why the bill was defeated.

    Did you skip the part which mentions LEADING catholic bishop?
    Why do you find it surpirsing that a single man can have so much influence? It isn't something new. Catholics follow POPE, who is just one single person. What he says would be obviously taken in high regard in comparsion to what you or I have to say. So your doubt isn't a very loogical one.


    Catholics follow the pope?! Catholics divorce and abort at the same rate as non Catholics. I'd hardly consider them following the pope.

    If Peruvian lawmakers allow themselves to be intimidated by one man's using a derrogotory term for gay men, then they don't deserve their offices.

    I still maintain that the issue is more involved than the lawmakers being intimidated by one man's use of the word maricón.